Monday, May 4th, 2009...3:03 pm
The Rumor Mill: Sheed May Retire
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Via Slam Online:
SLAM contributor J. Gamble hears from a close personal friend of Rasheed Wallace’s that unless Sheed gets $8 million to play next year, he’s going to retire.
Given how many steps it took before reaching the public, this can hardly be considered fact. But as far as rumors go, this one seems well inside the bounds of possibility. Personally, I like the idea of Sheed becoming a Spur: Unlike our current situation with Matt Bonner, Popovich would not have to make a choice between outside shooting and low-post defense. But if the report is accurate, $8 million strikes me as too high a price to pay.
26 Comments
May 4th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
If Dumars is breaking up the old bunch of Pistons, how about the Spurs put together a package for Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince instead of Rasheed?
Or make one of those trades in addition to signing Rasheed to the MLE? (It would sweeten the deal if Sheed could play with a former teammate too…)
A package of Bonner, Finley or Bowen, and Oberto would make the numbers work for Hamilton or Prince…
May 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
A starting lineup of TP, Mason, Tayshaun, Timmy, and Sheed gives me shivers…and visions of a 5th title.
(A bench of George Hill, Manu, Finley, Kurt Thomas, Ian Mahinmi isn’t bad either.)
May 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I’m right there with you, Chris. I would be happy to see either Rip or Tayshaun in a Spurs uniform.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Maybe Sheed is just saying that to price himself out of Detroit, but then turn around and take the minimum somewhere else?
/trying not to get hopes up
May 4th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
I don’t know like Artest, Sheed is very unpredictable.
Maybe, he isn’t bluffing. 8 million is a lot of money.
Sheed would look good in the silver and black. But Sheed is one of those players. When he shows up to play he’s pretty darn good. But when he goes in his hole of wackiness. He’s pretty pathetic.
Time will tell ……..
May 5th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Are you kidding, Sheed is completely washed up, adding him would only exacerbate our age problems. At this point, he has barely anything left to offer anyone, if he’s sticking to his 8 million dollar asking price, then this is the last we’ll be seeing of Sheed. He’s not worth anything but the minimum right now. He can’t score or defend anymore
May 5th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Sweet, let’s move on from ‘Sheed and focus on Carlos Boozer. Sheed seemed un-logical from the get-go.
Why are we not foaming at the mouth to get this guy??????
May 5th, 2009 at 6:22 am
I agree that $8 million is way too much to spend on Rasheed. Let him retire.
I think Tayshaun would be a great fit for the Spurs. I remember in the 2002 draft arguing vehemently with a fellow Spurs fan that the Spurs should draft Prince. I thought he would make a very good NBA player, and my friend did not. I had to do some quick research to recall who the Spurs actually ended up drafting. It was John Salmons, who was then traded to Philadelphia.
I immediately got upset thinking that the Spurs could have either one right now, until I realized who the Spurs got in that deal - Speedy Claxton. Without him, the Spurs would have never won the ‘03 title, so I guess things all worked out. Okay, I’m rambling… guess I’m just thinking about better times.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Boozer’s impossible.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Because Boozer is totally out of the Spurs’ budget. No possible way they can afford him
May 5th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Prince is the ideal Spur, I think he’d be among the top, if not, my top candidate for replacing Bruce Bowen. He’s one of the top defenders in the league, hits the three with regularity, and in addition to that, as a plus to Bowen, he also can create his own shot. While Rip is “the best catch-and-shoot player since Reggie Miller”.
Paying anything more than an MLE for ‘Sheed is pretty ludicrous so I’d let him retire as well, or sign with another team that’s desperate enough to throw that kind of money at him. While I would love to have Rip and Tay in silver and black, I don’t know that it’s realistic, as Dumars wants to improve his roster, not cut costs. If we assume there is any merit to the rumor of the Hornets trading David West for Rip and Tay, then maybe we can try a three way trade sending our expiring contracts to NOLA and getting Rip and Tay while Detroit gets David West, that would be amazing and I doubt that will happen, though it seems to me to be the most realistic way of landing them.
IF ‘Sheed stands by his asking price I think we need to look elsewhere for our answers. I think it’s pretty realistic to say that outside of maybe Mason (and arguably Bonner), none of the Spurs currently have any sort of trade value beyond being expiring contracts. That gives us about $20 million in 6 contracts that can be traded (assuming that Finley picks up his option). I think one option is the Clippers’ platoon of bigs. I don’t know that Mike Dunleavy Sr is willing to part with Camby, but what do you think about Chris Kaman?
Honestly, since we can only offer savings and future cap space to other teams, I can only think of a handful of teams that are actively trying to cut costs, and honestly not a lot of them have a lot to offer. I mean; Oberto, Bowen, Thomas, and Bonner (or Finley) for Richard Jefferson and Jason Alexander seems like rather a lot does it not? Dunno, my gut instinct says yes.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Travis: Because Boozer can’t play defense and will be overpaid just to get 20-10. If you want to go that route, I’d rather hope that the Sixers have given up on Elton Brand.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Oops, I mean Joe Alexander, not George Costanza.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I don’t really see why the Pistons would trade away either Prince and/or Rip. They are around 29-30 years of age, still in their prime for at least 2 more years. If we could make a trade work though with our expiring contracts, i’d be ecstatic.
Getting Boozer would be an awful idea, Travis. On top of not being able to afford him, his defense is average at best. Yeah he can rebound, but I am not really a fan of the guy.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Sheed for 8 million is way too much…. and I agree and find it hard to imagine Dumars parting with either Rip or Tayshaun, especially if it’s just for a salary dump. I know Detroit is hurting (emailing Cleveland ticket holders to buy their unsold playoff tickets), but I don’t quite think they are desperate, at least not yet. And I don’t see them adding Bowen or Oberto or Thomas, just to save some money.
Aside from the fact that Boozer plays the same position as Tim Duncan, is injury prone, isn’t very physical, and would cost a fortune, lets not forget that he once ripped off a blind guy. That’s some nasty karma you want to stay away from….
May 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Can someone call Utah and tell Mehmet Okur to opt out?
May 5th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Yet Sheed has better karma? I wouldn’t mind having another big-man that would average 20/10.
Ian hasn’t done anything, Robertas won’t be joining the team, Tiago who knows what he’ll do. On top of that all of them are still unproven in the league. There’s no depth on the interior. New blood friends, new blood.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Honestly, to me Boozer is a glorified Drew Gooden, and frankly, not worth anything more than $8M or so, nothing near the likely $11 M he’s getting paid and the additional money he’d be asking for. He doesn’t defend, his head’s not always in the game, and he’s not a great compliment next to Duncan. The skillsets that ‘Sheed brings to the Spurs is much more useful than Boozer (namely defense), however not at the price tag of $8 M per year.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:02 am
A lot of ‘Sheed hating going on here, for reasons I can’t completely fathom. He’s “washed up” and “can’t score or defend anymore” and “8 mil is way too much”.
Frankly, that entire team just gave up. Hamilton, Prince, Wallace, Iverson, and to lesser extents Maxiell and Stuckey, they all just sorta packed it in back in March. The only guy who played hard the last two months was Will Bynum, who I remember as being barely serviceable as a COLLEGE starter. I don’t think you can look at anything that happened for the post-All-Star break period as indicative of any future performance.
And despite basically just not trying for the last two months, Sheed’s numbers for the seasons are?
12 ppg / 7.4 rpg / 1.3 bpg / 1.7 3pg / 42% FG
Which, hey isn’t all-star level. But, hey in 2004 ,when the Pistons won the title, his numbers?
14 ppg / 7.1 rpg / 2.0 bpg / 1 3pg / 43% FG
So where exactly is this big fall off? Sheed’s numbers this year were about the same as the previous two years. This guy has NEVER scored 20 ppg in a season. So exactly where is this big fall off that everyone talking about?
He is who he is, a big, long defender, who can shoot treys, will once in a while punish a puny 4-man on the block, but will most likely sorta float around waiting for the point guard (Chauncey Billups, Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum, Tony Parker, whoever) to do their thing. He’s always been that way. It’s nothing new.
To me, if you can find a way to get him on the roster somehow around all the cap complexities, he’s easily worth $8 mil for one year. For one year, give him $10 mil. Because if he’s on a one year deal (and again, I don’t know if this works under the cap), he gives the Spurs a chance to contend in 2010 AND preserve the 2010 summer cap space.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Boozer left a poor impression with me with his leaving Cleveland and now he’s supposedly unhappy in Utah, playing with a HOF coach and top 3 PG? Not good. When he played poorly in the ‘07 WCF, I chalked it up to it being his first time on the big stage and going up against TD, player of the decade. Then his disappearing act continued vs LA last year. If he could make shots when the game hangs in the balance, Utah would’ve gone 7 and perhaps upset LA last season.
If he is paid as a backup PF from whom not too much is expected, fine. But that’s not how he sees himself or expects to be paid so no thank you. Don’t let the physique fool you.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I remember reading in an article, most likely on espn.com, that Dumars said that anyone outside of Stuckey is up for possible trade and whatnot. If that’s true, that increases our chances for Prince or Hamilton. If we go for Hamilton, we should definitely include Mason in the deal. Really though, I only want Tayshaun.
As for Sheed, I think Francis has some good points. I think if he does make it here, especially for a 1 year contract.
It we be awesome if we catch both Prince and Wallace.
May 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Does ‘Sheed and Latrell Spreewell have the same agent?
May 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Dumars is known as one of the smartest execs in the game. He only trades those guys if it makes his team better.
Sheed is a wonderful talent but 8 million is over the top.
His versatility is obviously his calling card but the last 1/3rd of the season he lost his game. He went from an elite club of 1 block 1 steal 1 three per game players to sub in all those categories.
Attitude or Age? Thats the question. Either way he is not a focal point for an offence any longer hence you don’t pitch 8 million at him.
Boozer is a terrible fit for S.A. On a Utah team that is renowned for ball movment he is the square peg in the round hole.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Averaged 6.5 points against Cleveland and got progressively worse as the series went on. My question for the ‘Sheed apologists who claim “He just wants to win” as a defense: Why doesn’t he play like he wants to win in the games that matter most? Everybody wants to win. But you have to do something about it to make it happen.
-Dime mag
May 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
oh and check this out http://dimemag.com/2009/04/end-of-the-road-for-rasheed/
May 10th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Althought, rasheed, rip, or prince would be good, its not what the spurs need, we got out thise year cause where old and beat up, we need to stop going for the old veterens and start making plays for youngr players. Like mason was this year. and im not sure why i keep using we lol
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