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	<title>Comments on: Sheed&#8217;s Attitude</title>
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		<title>By: Rodrigo</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/01/sheeds-attitude/comment-page-1/#comment-5310</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodrigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL I was thinking that this discussion may have actually helped Sheed making his desicion... Let&#039;s suppose he goes to ESPN and check for the fan discussions on the teams he is considering, enters 48MOH and sees that the most responsive of the articles is the one questioning his attitude? by bye San Antonio!

Jokes apart... I couldn&#039;t be happier... he&#039;ll rot with the Celtics and y&#039;all enjoy seeing how he doesn&#039;t have much left in the tank...

For the record this isn&#039;t McDyess or bust either... the Spurs could be on trade mode to acquire bigs such as Foster, Collison or maybe even Kaman. There is also extra talent available like Pachulia and other ones mentioned around from this Free Agent class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL I was thinking that this discussion may have actually helped Sheed making his desicion&#8230; Let&#8217;s suppose he goes to ESPN and check for the fan discussions on the teams he is considering, enters 48MOH and sees that the most responsive of the articles is the one questioning his attitude? by bye San Antonio!</p>
<p>Jokes apart&#8230; I couldn&#8217;t be happier&#8230; he&#8217;ll rot with the Celtics and y&#8217;all enjoy seeing how he doesn&#8217;t have much left in the tank&#8230;</p>
<p>For the record this isn&#8217;t McDyess or bust either&#8230; the Spurs could be on trade mode to acquire bigs such as Foster, Collison or maybe even Kaman. There is also extra talent available like Pachulia and other ones mentioned around from this Free Agent class.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posts, all.

One thought -- I&#039;m not sure that we should worry too much about the length of a deal that we might offer Sheed.  I think the RJ trade and the possibility of signing Sheed indicates that the FO is doing all it can to win now and is not really worrying about rebuilding yet.

When we do go to rebuild, though, recent examples from other teams suggests that it&#039;s good to have a lot of big contracts expire in the same year to free up enough cap space to go after a big FA or two.  As long as Sheed&#039;s deal were to expire in the same year as Tony, Timmy, or RJ&#039;s deals, it might actually help us jump-start the rebuilding process when we come to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts, all.</p>
<p>One thought &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure that we should worry too much about the length of a deal that we might offer Sheed.  I think the RJ trade and the possibility of signing Sheed indicates that the FO is doing all it can to win now and is not really worrying about rebuilding yet.</p>
<p>When we do go to rebuild, though, recent examples from other teams suggests that it&#8217;s good to have a lot of big contracts expire in the same year to free up enough cap space to go after a big FA or two.  As long as Sheed&#8217;s deal were to expire in the same year as Tony, Timmy, or RJ&#8217;s deals, it might actually help us jump-start the rebuilding process when we come to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am completely off of the Rasheed bandwagon. McDyess was the better rebounder last year for Detroit, especially offensive rebounds. Rasheed shot a terrible FG% last year for a big and took way too many 3s. His performance in the playoffs was abysmal. I always assumed he was a few inches bigger than McDyess, who has been listed at 6&#039;9&quot; for years, but it turns out that&#039;s not true-- every photo of them side by side shows they&#039;re about the same size. Count me definitely in favor of McDyess over Sheed.  There&#039;s no way I want the Spurs to handcuff their future by offering him a three year deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am completely off of the Rasheed bandwagon. McDyess was the better rebounder last year for Detroit, especially offensive rebounds. Rasheed shot a terrible FG% last year for a big and took way too many 3s. His performance in the playoffs was abysmal. I always assumed he was a few inches bigger than McDyess, who has been listed at 6&#8242;9&#8243; for years, but it turns out that&#8217;s not true&#8211; every photo of them side by side shows they&#8217;re about the same size. Count me definitely in favor of McDyess over Sheed.  There&#8217;s no way I want the Spurs to handcuff their future by offering him a three year deal.</p>
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		<title>By: WWWebb</title>
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		<dc:creator>WWWebb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So in discussing Sheed vs. Gortat vs. McDyess, does that mean everyone is convinced Okur wouldn&#039;t sign for the mid-level?  The free agent money is drying up pretty fast out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So in discussing Sheed vs. Gortat vs. McDyess, does that mean everyone is convinced Okur wouldn&#8217;t sign for the mid-level?  The free agent money is drying up pretty fast out there.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graydon,

Thank you for the follow up.  I took a double take at your previous comment and wondered if the inclusion of the comment was a separate point or was a reply to my comments.

That said, I do agree with your observation and I&#039;ll add that I sense this is a component in the mis-characterization of the NBA among groups in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graydon,</p>
<p>Thank you for the follow up.  I took a double take at your previous comment and wondered if the inclusion of the comment was a separate point or was a reply to my comments.</p>
<p>That said, I do agree with your observation and I&#8217;ll add that I sense this is a component in the mis-characterization of the NBA among groups in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Graydon Gordian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graydon Gordian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big J,

In no way am I accusing you of having said anything racist. I&#039;m just trying to point out that race plays a role in our perceptions of athletes, and I think that is especially true when we are talking about what I might call &quot;socially disruptive&quot; black athletes, i.e. the ones who make their voices heard whether they&#039;ve been asked to or not.

Some people characterize that behavior as being disrespectful towards authority, while others, like myself, prefer to see it as a) theatrical or liberatory or b) irrelevant just as long as the player gets their job done.

Either way, I do think athletes who are aggressively outspoken, whether politically or in incidental situations like Sheed, tend to have their on court achievements obfuscated until after they have retired and the discussion shifts from their words to their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big J,</p>
<p>In no way am I accusing you of having said anything racist. I&#8217;m just trying to point out that race plays a role in our perceptions of athletes, and I think that is especially true when we are talking about what I might call &#8220;socially disruptive&#8221; black athletes, i.e. the ones who make their voices heard whether they&#8217;ve been asked to or not.</p>
<p>Some people characterize that behavior as being disrespectful towards authority, while others, like myself, prefer to see it as a) theatrical or liberatory or b) irrelevant just as long as the player gets their job done.</p>
<p>Either way, I do think athletes who are aggressively outspoken, whether politically or in incidental situations like Sheed, tend to have their on court achievements obfuscated until after they have retired and the discussion shifts from their words to their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When was adding a high basketball IQ player a bad thing? Sheed would be a good fit for the Spurs. He played for several Detroit teams with systems revolving putting premiums on defense and execution staples of his. I can imagine him doing smooth high-low plays with Duncan, precision pick-and-pops with Manu or TP or even RJ, or Timmy funneling slashers to the baseline for Sheed blocks (and vice-versa). He won&#039;t be asked to score in bunches, all he has to do is play Spurs team-basketball. Yes I do agree, that he does take some stuff off the table, with techs, lack of focus, but hey, Timmy and Pop is there to back him up (or pull him back to the sidelines). When Larry Brown was coaching the Pistons, Rasheed was at his finest, I can see Pop doing the same thing even at this stage of Sheed&#039;s career.

Hands down, acquiring Sheed would more than benefit the Spurs, it should solidify them as contenders.

Go Spurs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When was adding a high basketball IQ player a bad thing? Sheed would be a good fit for the Spurs. He played for several Detroit teams with systems revolving putting premiums on defense and execution staples of his. I can imagine him doing smooth high-low plays with Duncan, precision pick-and-pops with Manu or TP or even RJ, or Timmy funneling slashers to the baseline for Sheed blocks (and vice-versa). He won&#8217;t be asked to score in bunches, all he has to do is play Spurs team-basketball. Yes I do agree, that he does take some stuff off the table, with techs, lack of focus, but hey, Timmy and Pop is there to back him up (or pull him back to the sidelines). When Larry Brown was coaching the Pistons, Rasheed was at his finest, I can see Pop doing the same thing even at this stage of Sheed&#8217;s career.</p>
<p>Hands down, acquiring Sheed would more than benefit the Spurs, it should solidify them as contenders.</p>
<p>Go Spurs!</p>
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		<title>By: The Bar Has Been Raised - SpursReport.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Bar Has Been Raised - SpursReport.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] contenders to sign with. No better way to counter crazy than with crazy and smart. Graydon Gordian seems to think so, and at this point the Spurs are running out of good options, with &#039;Sheed probably being the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChillFAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChillFAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arrest makes the Lakers a lot tougher than they were, even though adding Odom will come back to haunt the Lakers.  Odom&#039;s overrated, they should have kept Ariza instead.  

But Artest balances out our addition of RJ and then some. Maybe, just maybe he will move to LA and be disruptive bc of his decision making, but honestly I see him as stepping up as the third best player on a team on it&#039;s way to another title. 

Wow, we need a player that&#039;ll protect the paint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrest makes the Lakers a lot tougher than they were, even though adding Odom will come back to haunt the Lakers.  Odom&#8217;s overrated, they should have kept Ariza instead.  </p>
<p>But Artest balances out our addition of RJ and then some. Maybe, just maybe he will move to LA and be disruptive bc of his decision making, but honestly I see him as stepping up as the third best player on a team on it&#8217;s way to another title. </p>
<p>Wow, we need a player that&#8217;ll protect the paint.</p>
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		<title>By: ChillFAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChillFAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, excellent comments above.  I really want Sheed on the Spurs because he&#039;s an impact player, but I can understand when others caution a long term contract battle with the Celts.

It says a lot that all the Celtics stars are in in Sheed&#039;s living room right now. It&#039;s tough to know if the FO will spend for Sheed. 

I&#039;m against adding mcDyss, and dobt even mention Oberto and Rasho, Pop doesnt eben want to play those guys.  They dont deserve new huge contracts.I say try to engineer a trade for someone similar but younger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, excellent comments above.  I really want Sheed on the Spurs because he&#8217;s an impact player, but I can understand when others caution a long term contract battle with the Celts.</p>
<p>It says a lot that all the Celtics stars are in in Sheed&#8217;s living room right now. It&#8217;s tough to know if the FO will spend for Sheed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m against adding mcDyss, and dobt even mention Oberto and Rasho, Pop doesnt eben want to play those guys.  They dont deserve new huge contracts.I say try to engineer a trade for someone similar but younger.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big J,

I really don&#039;t think he was accusing you of being racist, but certainly race has an impact on the mass perception of players. Look at Chris Anderson for example, he doesn&#039;t carry nearly the same connotation as Sheed does but he actually served a two year drug suspension from the NBA and plenty of Spurs fans still wanted him, despite how hard it is to actually get a drug suspension in professional sports these days. 

I would say that Wallace often gets a bad rap for being on the Jailblazers back in the day, but that was quite a while ago, he&#039;s won a championship since then, I&#039;m willing to believe that a man in his late 30&#039;s has matured since then, to think otherwise is to buy into a media caricature of Rasheed Wallice. Besides, in terms of technical fouls, Sheed may have led the league last year, but barely, and the year before he was 3rd. In fact other players like Rip Hamilton get ejected about 3 times as much as Sheed... see for yourself:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafouls&amp;qual=true&amp;sort=techs&amp;league=nba&amp;split=0&amp;season=2009&amp;seasontype=2&amp;pos=all


Clutch City, I don&#039;t think the situation is quite as urgent as you make it out to be, I think the Spurs can still contend even if they only have a serviceable big next to Duncan. I don&#039;t think I agree with the notion that the Lakers have gotten better. I was bored at work today and did some math and based on a projected roster for this year that includes our currently signed players, plus a couple from our summer league, even if the Spurs signed Sheed AND Oberto in free agency, they will have pushed the average age of the team down from a 29.47 last year to about an estimated 27.5 this year, even with bringing back 9 players from last year&#039;s roster who are all a year older.

To contrast, the Lakers just basically traded in Ariza for a version that&#039;s 7 years older while everyone else on the team got a year older. Don&#039;t expect the Lakers to have a youth or athleticism advantage on us next year... if we don&#039;t do something about our front court soon they may have a solid size advantage though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big J,</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think he was accusing you of being racist, but certainly race has an impact on the mass perception of players. Look at Chris Anderson for example, he doesn&#8217;t carry nearly the same connotation as Sheed does but he actually served a two year drug suspension from the NBA and plenty of Spurs fans still wanted him, despite how hard it is to actually get a drug suspension in professional sports these days. </p>
<p>I would say that Wallace often gets a bad rap for being on the Jailblazers back in the day, but that was quite a while ago, he&#8217;s won a championship since then, I&#8217;m willing to believe that a man in his late 30&#8217;s has matured since then, to think otherwise is to buy into a media caricature of Rasheed Wallice. Besides, in terms of technical fouls, Sheed may have led the league last year, but barely, and the year before he was 3rd. In fact other players like Rip Hamilton get ejected about 3 times as much as Sheed&#8230; see for yourself:</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafouls&amp;qual=true&amp;sort=techs&amp;league=nba&amp;split=0&amp;season=2009&amp;seasontype=2&amp;pos=all" rel="nofollow">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafouls&amp;qual=true&amp;sort=techs&amp;league=nba&amp;split=0&amp;season=2009&amp;seasontype=2&amp;pos=all</a></p>
<p>Clutch City, I don&#8217;t think the situation is quite as urgent as you make it out to be, I think the Spurs can still contend even if they only have a serviceable big next to Duncan. I don&#8217;t think I agree with the notion that the Lakers have gotten better. I was bored at work today and did some math and based on a projected roster for this year that includes our currently signed players, plus a couple from our summer league, even if the Spurs signed Sheed AND Oberto in free agency, they will have pushed the average age of the team down from a 29.47 last year to about an estimated 27.5 this year, even with bringing back 9 players from last year&#8217;s roster who are all a year older.</p>
<p>To contrast, the Lakers just basically traded in Ariza for a version that&#8217;s 7 years older while everyone else on the team got a year older. Don&#8217;t expect the Lakers to have a youth or athleticism advantage on us next year&#8230; if we don&#8217;t do something about our front court soon they may have a solid size advantage though.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing Phoebus.  By your reasoning, since you agree with Sheed, or have an overwhelming desire for him to join your favorite team,  you clearly know as much about basketball as he does?  How does that line of thinking follow?  I suppose being a fan/consumer of the sport means I should know better than to question it?  
And Graydon, did you seriously throw out the race card as casually as you just did?  How about having a respectful difference of opinion without tossing that one in at the end.  Come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing Phoebus.  By your reasoning, since you agree with Sheed, or have an overwhelming desire for him to join your favorite team,  you clearly know as much about basketball as he does?  How does that line of thinking follow?  I suppose being a fan/consumer of the sport means I should know better than to question it?<br />
And Graydon, did you seriously throw out the race card as casually as you just did?  How about having a respectful difference of opinion without tossing that one in at the end.  Come on.</p>
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		<title>By: the little o</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that Rasheed&#039;s ego, (hehe) will convince him not to sign with Boston since he would be coming off the bench from there. Come here Sheed, you&#039;ll start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that Rasheed&#8217;s ego, (hehe) will convince him not to sign with Boston since he would be coming off the bench from there. Come here Sheed, you&#8217;ll start!</p>
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		<title>By: Clutch city</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clutch city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and as for Gortat, if we do sign him, I guess I&#039;m okay with it because he shows promise, but I don&#039;t see a title in the mix. I see that as a mix of a win now(jefferson) and as the new era transition (gortat) since he is so young and that would mean replacing one brick at a time to build the new spurs of the future. Still no rings will come this year. Ian M. better get in shape</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and as for Gortat, if we do sign him, I guess I&#8217;m okay with it because he shows promise, but I don&#8217;t see a title in the mix. I see that as a mix of a win now(jefferson) and as the new era transition (gortat) since he is so young and that would mean replacing one brick at a time to build the new spurs of the future. Still no rings will come this year. Ian M. better get in shape</p>
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		<title>By: Clutch city</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clutch city</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 01:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the spurs must get rasheed. We just saw the Lakers get better with the addition of Ron Artest. The Magic and Cleveland have gotten better. If the Celtics steal Sheed away then signing Jefferson was a waste of time and money. We might as well have just kept our old guys, let their contracts expire, and grab some big name next year. No Rasheed means no title, and I&#039;m not just talking about the Nba Finals, but also the Western Conference Finals. Spurs must use their their expection to get that extra 1.9 million to add to the MLE to counter Boston&#039;s offer. Only way we win is with Sheed. Don&#039;t hold back spurs. You&#039;ve been the catalyst for the rest of the league by grabbing Jefferson and causing every other good team to go after big names, now finish what you started and go sign Rasheed!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the spurs must get rasheed. We just saw the Lakers get better with the addition of Ron Artest. The Magic and Cleveland have gotten better. If the Celtics steal Sheed away then signing Jefferson was a waste of time and money. We might as well have just kept our old guys, let their contracts expire, and grab some big name next year. No Rasheed means no title, and I&#8217;m not just talking about the Nba Finals, but also the Western Conference Finals. Spurs must use their their expection to get that extra 1.9 million to add to the MLE to counter Boston&#8217;s offer. Only way we win is with Sheed. Don&#8217;t hold back spurs. You&#8217;ve been the catalyst for the rest of the league by grabbing Jefferson and causing every other good team to go after big names, now finish what you started and go sign Rasheed!!!!!</p>
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