Comments on: Haislip’s Contract

By: Sean

Sean — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:57:09 +0000

BlaseE,
sorry, I was including regular season efforts as well..

By: Tydus

Tydus — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:19:37 +0000

Robby,

My first inclination was to put Bonner in, but I wouldn’t see Chicago or Utah taking him. Both of those teams are solid with big men (especially Chicago after the draft).

I also agree with what most are saying here. The Spurs are pretty much done, unless they fall head over heals for a summer league kid and want to make room for him. My trade scenario was just something that fit into an actual possibility.

By: BlaseE

BlaseE — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:34:51 +0000

Sean, “A guy doing the intangibles which are immeasurable” sounds like Horry to me.

Another way Hollinger mis-rates the Spurs is his emphasis on point differential. Has there ever been a coach quicker than Pop to throw in the towel to live to fight another day or pull out starters so early in blow outs teams almost always have enough time for a comeback run on the second team?

By: Sean

Sean — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:54:44 +0000

There is no way Daryl Morey trades Shane Battier.. He is the entire inspiration for the Money Ball concept.. A guy doing the intangibles which are immeasurable.. Just because Houston’s title aspirations have weakened from the loss of Yao does not mean they are holding a fire sale.

I agree with Blase that too many new guys might not be a good thing because of the complex system the Spurs play.

Let’s enjoy what we’ve got and see how summer league goes.

By: Timothy Varner

Timothy Varner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:17:31 +0000

Amen to that, Will.

By: Timothy Varner

Timothy Varner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:16:22 +0000

I want to echo the comments of BlaseE and Alex. The Spurs are probably done.

If they do make a move, don’t expect a player like Shane Battier in return. True: he’d make a great fit. No doubt. But could the Spurs find minutes for him without subtracting due minutes elsewhere? There is such a thing as overkill.

Let’s wait to see what happens in summer league. I’ll put up a post about this as a kind of viewer’s guide.

By: Will

Will — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:13:27 +0000

I try not to underestimate Hollinger because his scouting/predicting reports are usually pretty good (just find the prediction on what Parker stats would be last year and what really happened and it’s kind of scary how close he was), but I also agree with Tim that the “raw stats” approach doesn’t work well with such a pure system team as the Spurs. Also the Spurs don’t rely on the box score, or at least look at factors that aren’t reflected in the box score – Bowen is the perfect case, if there was something in the boxscore showing how poor an opponent has shot compared to usual Bowen would have shone much more. But simply relying on points, assists or rebounds doesn’t necessarily cut it – e.g. Simmons was making a good point when he said that Dwight Howard might rack in a lot of blocks, but most of them he sends outbounds, basically giving the other team another possession, so these blocks shouldn’t count for as much, etc.

Basically there still is no shortcut to watching games.

By: g7997

g7997 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:48:27 +0000

The reason for the Battier/Wafer trade suggestion is because the Rockets are now in a lose/lose situation. McGrady is out to at least the all star break and Yao may never play again according to some reports. Would ii make this suggestion 3 weeks ago? No. But now it’s different. Wafer is a free agent and may not sign if he sees the Rockets as a lame duck team. With the suggested trade, the Rockets get something back for Wafer and salary relief next year to rebuild as oppossed to a few years from now. Also, I’m sure they would ask for a few draft picks, and with Spltter and de Colo coming over in the next couple of summer’s, I’m sure the Spurs could handle that. This is nWill it happen, probably not. But it is not as impossible as some may think. Hell, did we all think we could get RJ for scrubs or that the Lakers could get Gasol for a bunch of nobodies?

By: Alex

Alex — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:36:12 +0000

I think the spurs are done making moves. Last year was painfull to see our season go down the drain because of an injury to Manu. This year should be different, we have more offensive power although our deffensive game is not as strong. Nevertheless, the spurs should not spend all their cap space before the season even starts. If we have the same bad luck and an injury strikes one of our key players, then the FO might want a little cap room to trade or sign a player before the deadline. Our team in paper is looking good as it is, lets see how it pans out during the regular season and then playoffs. And if bowen gets cut he may want some time off and come fresher than ever before the playoffs, he knows the system and he can practice his corner threes at any gym.

By: Rowrbazzle

Rowrbazzle — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:02:18 +0000

I think Stein was very high on the Jackie Butler move, too. They had me excited and we all know how that turned out. haha

On the other hand, Hollinger’s team power rankings had the Spurs at #1 in 2007 and everyone was saying he was crazy. And we all know how that turned out.

I agree that the Haislip deal is a good risk because it’s such a very small risk.

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By: BlaseE

BlaseE — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:34:49 +0000

It also shows commitment that Haislip will be attending the summer league even though he is not on the roster. Part of our season’s fate is how the chemistry of all of our new pieces turns out.

If no one has linked to it yet:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Haislip_hungry_for_second_chance_in_NBA.html

By: BlaseE

BlaseE — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:25:27 +0000

Even if Hollinger is right, the Spurs signed a roster spot at a position of need at the vet minimum that is a somewhat unknown quantity (opposed to washed-up vet, never-could-be-anything player, or another no experience rookie). As RC said, Haislip has a chip to prove to everyone that he belongs. A guy doesn’t sacrifice money to ride the bench and give half effort.

I like Hollinger’s numbers but not his logic.

By: Timothy Varner

Timothy Varner — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:20:10 +0000

Nick,

We should make a collage. We’d have to include his glowing predictions about Jackie Butler too. And his Spurs-Hornets playoff preview.

Ah, we’re being too hard on him, though. He really is good at what he does, and he might be right. Maybe Haislip does flop. But I stand by my comment about his appoach’s relative strengths and weaknesses. He’s never suggested that we take his predictions in a vacuum. The stat geek is one of a few important voices at the table. He knows that as well as anyone.

By: Nick (Italy)

Nick (Italy) — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:13:44 +0000

Tim,

I found out, it was the “PER Diem: Dec. 31, 2008″

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=Perdiem-081231