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	<title>Comments on: Ian Mahinmi&#8217;s Movement</title>
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		<title>By: mmojojojoe</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/07/14/ian-mahinmis-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-5978</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is my opinion that the Spurs need Drew Gooden along side Tim Duncan or on the 2nd unit with Manu Gonobili. I noticed last year in several games before Manu was injured, that the two of them had good chemistry together on the court. Gooden just needed a lil more time in the Spurs system to be more effective, if anyone notice that Gooden had a 20pnt 15rebnd game. Who whould&#039;nt want a player that could put up those type of numbers and he was just getting back from injury. LET&#039;S GIVE GOODEN A TRY!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is my opinion that the Spurs need Drew Gooden along side Tim Duncan or on the 2nd unit with Manu Gonobili. I noticed last year in several games before Manu was injured, that the two of them had good chemistry together on the court. Gooden just needed a lil more time in the Spurs system to be more effective, if anyone notice that Gooden had a 20pnt 15rebnd game. Who whould&#8217;nt want a player that could put up those type of numbers and he was just getting back from injury. LET&#8217;S GIVE GOODEN A TRY!!!</p>
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		<title>By: DNITCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DNITCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChillFAN, sorry I guess I misread. I&#039;m simply making making my own breakout pick in the east for next year. 

As far as the bigs, Mahinmi will continue to improve and played way better against DEN. Alot I believe to it to him feeling more comfortable and it not being his first competitive game in a year.  He is a great investment because he will continue to develop and still is only 22. 

I think if the Spurs feel that they are in need of another big man, that they will give a good look at Gooden after summer league is over. Regardless of what people say about his IQ, he&#039;s familiar with the system and can provide solid offense, and improve on defense. However I hope that things work out with the current bigs that we&#039;re trying to develop and test now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChillFAN, sorry I guess I misread. I&#8217;m simply making making my own breakout pick in the east for next year. </p>
<p>As far as the bigs, Mahinmi will continue to improve and played way better against DEN. Alot I believe to it to him feeling more comfortable and it not being his first competitive game in a year.  He is a great investment because he will continue to develop and still is only 22. </p>
<p>I think if the Spurs feel that they are in need of another big man, that they will give a good look at Gooden after summer league is over. Regardless of what people say about his IQ, he&#8217;s familiar with the system and can provide solid offense, and improve on defense. However I hope that things work out with the current bigs that we&#8217;re trying to develop and test now.</p>
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		<title>By: ChillFAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChillFAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DNITCH, it wasn&#039;t me who commented on Indiana.  I think Nick answered your question about Indiana&#039;s strength.  I wish the Pacers the best, but, to tell you the truth I have not watched them enough to say they can have a breakout year.

But thanks for your comments about the Bigs situation.  

NICK (Italy).  Great comments.  In retrospect, sitting the four in Denver midseason didn&#039;t really matter much in the playoffs, did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNITCH, it wasn&#8217;t me who commented on Indiana.  I think Nick answered your question about Indiana&#8217;s strength.  I wish the Pacers the best, but, to tell you the truth I have not watched them enough to say they can have a breakout year.</p>
<p>But thanks for your comments about the Bigs situation.  </p>
<p>NICK (Italy).  Great comments.  In retrospect, sitting the four in Denver midseason didn&#8217;t really matter much in the playoffs, did it?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Sorry everyone for the OT, I will try to be extra brief]
DNITCH,

Indiana is developing a reasonably good and young core, but they simply do not have anyone outside Granger and Dunleavy (I hear he will miss the better part of the season) who can score with any consistency. That&#039;s why they run so much (at least when I watched them).

They have an impressive bunch of decent/good defenders (Jones, Foster, Hibbert, Rush). However, they are all (add Rasho) a little bit weak on transition D, which is what you should be good at when you run so much.

That&#039;s why I think they won&#039;t be good, but I may be wrong, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Sorry everyone for the OT, I will try to be extra brief]<br />
DNITCH,</p>
<p>Indiana is developing a reasonably good and young core, but they simply do not have anyone outside Granger and Dunleavy (I hear he will miss the better part of the season) who can score with any consistency. That&#8217;s why they run so much (at least when I watched them).</p>
<p>They have an impressive bunch of decent/good defenders (Jones, Foster, Hibbert, Rush). However, they are all (add Rasho) a little bit weak on transition D, which is what you should be good at when you run so much.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think they won&#8217;t be good, but I may be wrong, though.</p>
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		<title>By: DNITCH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DNITCH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChillFAN, 

I disagree about Indiana going to be a weak team next year, they are really starting to develop as a team with Hibbert Hansbrough Rush Granger Ford and Jones from the Nuggest. They went 5-0 in summer league and I think will be the surprise team in the East. 

As far as finding another center, I dont believe is necessary because now the Spurs have a lot of young athletic talent in Haislip, Blair, Mahinmi. I mean unless the Spurs get Oberto back, I think it would be more productive to develop these players behind Duncan and McDyess, and keep Bonner at the 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChillFAN, </p>
<p>I disagree about Indiana going to be a weak team next year, they are really starting to develop as a team with Hibbert Hansbrough Rush Granger Ford and Jones from the Nuggest. They went 5-0 in summer league and I think will be the surprise team in the East. </p>
<p>As far as finding another center, I dont believe is necessary because now the Spurs have a lot of young athletic talent in Haislip, Blair, Mahinmi. I mean unless the Spurs get Oberto back, I think it would be more productive to develop these players behind Duncan and McDyess, and keep Bonner at the 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick (Italy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick (Italy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

I actually agree with you, but I basically assume that such a player (6-10 or more, athletic, only devoted to man to man D and good for 15 minutes, 2 points, 3 rebounds, 6 fouls, who has short stints trying to slow down and wear down an offensive 7 footer) will be basically available until the trade deadline.

I think it is more useful to spend the first months of the season trying to develop Blair, Haislip and Mahimi by making them play and, if by the end of December, there is no sign that they can play, sign a FA or get a vet player in a trade.

Let&#039;s consider that, in the west, the only contender I can see with a truly offensive gifted center is LA (Gasol and Bynum). Yao simply won&#039;t probably be there, Mavs have Dampier, the Nuggets have a good but not excellent 5 in Nene, Portland has Oden who still has to figure how to stay on the floor, NO has Chandler and seems willing to deal him anyway, Utah has a perimeter oriented 5 in Okur...

ChillFAN,

I definitely share your mileage concern and I think the Spurs should prevent Duncan and Ginobili to play in back to back games.

I also think that, since it appears that this year there will be some really weak teams (Milwaukee, New Jersey, Indiana, New York, Memphis, Minnesota, Clippers, Sacramento, Oklahoma City) it is not unthinkable that at least Tim and Manu skip some additional regular season games.

It may be not so respectful for fans, but saving them 10 or 15 regular season games could make a huge difference.

However, such possibility largely depends on how the youngs develop...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>I actually agree with you, but I basically assume that such a player (6-10 or more, athletic, only devoted to man to man D and good for 15 minutes, 2 points, 3 rebounds, 6 fouls, who has short stints trying to slow down and wear down an offensive 7 footer) will be basically available until the trade deadline.</p>
<p>I think it is more useful to spend the first months of the season trying to develop Blair, Haislip and Mahimi by making them play and, if by the end of December, there is no sign that they can play, sign a FA or get a vet player in a trade.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider that, in the west, the only contender I can see with a truly offensive gifted center is LA (Gasol and Bynum). Yao simply won&#8217;t probably be there, Mavs have Dampier, the Nuggets have a good but not excellent 5 in Nene, Portland has Oden who still has to figure how to stay on the floor, NO has Chandler and seems willing to deal him anyway, Utah has a perimeter oriented 5 in Okur&#8230;</p>
<p>ChillFAN,</p>
<p>I definitely share your mileage concern and I think the Spurs should prevent Duncan and Ginobili to play in back to back games.</p>
<p>I also think that, since it appears that this year there will be some really weak teams (Milwaukee, New Jersey, Indiana, New York, Memphis, Minnesota, Clippers, Sacramento, Oklahoma City) it is not unthinkable that at least Tim and Manu skip some additional regular season games.</p>
<p>It may be not so respectful for fans, but saving them 10 or 15 regular season games could make a huge difference.</p>
<p>However, such possibility largely depends on how the youngs develop&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ChillFAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChillFAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q: Do the Spurs need one more 7-foot center?

A: &quot;Yes, but Not Necessarily 7-foot&quot; because I&#039;d rather have an athletic Big than an Oberto retread.  Or, Bigs that Pop will actually play, as Italian Nic mentioned.

The Spurs went with 4 Bigs for most of last season, so it depends on where you categorize 6-7 Blair in totalling how many you Bigs you can project on the Spurs roster. Finally, my TWO CENTS: we need 4 players bigger than Blair on the day to day roster because of the mileage risks with TD and Dice.  In June 2010, their combined age is 69!   

TD, Dice, Bonner are &quot;in,&quot; but whether Ian or Gist can shoulder legitimate minutes this season is a huge question mark.  If I&#039;m the front office, I showcase people in the Summer League and make a trade that nets me one more veteran front court player and maybe even gets me under the cap.  We don&#039;t need to develop a player that Splitter will replace in a year anyway.    

lvmainmain, I wouldn&#039;t object to the Rasho Renaissance, but Chris Mihm is not the answer. For a team wanting to win now, wouldn&#039;t Drew Gooden help? Melvin Ely and Jarron Collins are not true 7 footers, but would either be more dependable than Ian?  Look, I really want to see Ian Mahinmi/Gist/Blair blossom this season, but is the same head coach who stuck with J.V., suddenly going to depend on two rookies for front court minutes? Doubtful.  And as I asserted, Dice and TD can use all the minute reduction we can afford this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q: Do the Spurs need one more 7-foot center?</p>
<p>A: &#8220;Yes, but Not Necessarily 7-foot&#8221; because I&#8217;d rather have an athletic Big than an Oberto retread.  Or, Bigs that Pop will actually play, as Italian Nic mentioned.</p>
<p>The Spurs went with 4 Bigs for most of last season, so it depends on where you categorize 6-7 Blair in totalling how many you Bigs you can project on the Spurs roster. Finally, my TWO CENTS: we need 4 players bigger than Blair on the day to day roster because of the mileage risks with TD and Dice.  In June 2010, their combined age is 69!   </p>
<p>TD, Dice, Bonner are &#8220;in,&#8221; but whether Ian or Gist can shoulder legitimate minutes this season is a huge question mark.  If I&#8217;m the front office, I showcase people in the Summer League and make a trade that nets me one more veteran front court player and maybe even gets me under the cap.  We don&#8217;t need to develop a player that Splitter will replace in a year anyway.    </p>
<p>lvmainmain, I wouldn&#8217;t object to the Rasho Renaissance, but Chris Mihm is not the answer. For a team wanting to win now, wouldn&#8217;t Drew Gooden help? Melvin Ely and Jarron Collins are not true 7 footers, but would either be more dependable than Ian?  Look, I really want to see Ian Mahinmi/Gist/Blair blossom this season, but is the same head coach who stuck with J.V., suddenly going to depend on two rookies for front court minutes? Doubtful.  And as I asserted, Dice and TD can use all the minute reduction we can afford this season.</p>
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		<title>By: lvmainman</title>
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		<dc:creator>lvmainman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 06:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m of the belief the Spurs need another center. Duncan won&#039;t guard the center until the last 6 minutes of the 4th qtr to avoid foul trouble and conserve energy. So, that leaves 42 minutes in the center position left. McDyess can handle 30 to 36 of those minutes provided he avoids foul trouble. 

Leaving Blair, Bonner, Haslip, or Mahinmi to deal with the 6 to 12 minutes left of the 48 minutes of center played by Shaq/Z, Dwight Howard/Marcin Gortat, Yao, Bynum/Gasol, Perkins/Wallace, Oden/Pryzbilla, Nene/Martin. That is a serious mismatch and extreme hindrance for the Spurs to try and overcome those matchups at the center position for a possible championship.

Signing a 7&#039;0&quot; like Rasho Nesterovic or Melvin Ely, Chris Mihm, or Jarron Collins for those matchups would be the icing on the cake for this offseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the belief the Spurs need another center. Duncan won&#8217;t guard the center until the last 6 minutes of the 4th qtr to avoid foul trouble and conserve energy. So, that leaves 42 minutes in the center position left. McDyess can handle 30 to 36 of those minutes provided he avoids foul trouble. </p>
<p>Leaving Blair, Bonner, Haslip, or Mahinmi to deal with the 6 to 12 minutes left of the 48 minutes of center played by Shaq/Z, Dwight Howard/Marcin Gortat, Yao, Bynum/Gasol, Perkins/Wallace, Oden/Pryzbilla, Nene/Martin. That is a serious mismatch and extreme hindrance for the Spurs to try and overcome those matchups at the center position for a possible championship.</p>
<p>Signing a 7&#8242;0&#8243; like Rasho Nesterovic or Melvin Ely, Chris Mihm, or Jarron Collins for those matchups would be the icing on the cake for this offseason.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apparently blair not playing was not because of contract issues... &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/summer-league-r-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Averting the Blair Freakout&lt;/A&gt;... good to know....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apparently blair not playing was not because of contract issues&#8230; <a href="http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/summer-league-r-1.html" rel="nofollow">Averting the Blair Freakout</a>&#8230; good to know&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Varner,

any idea why Blair didn&#039;t play today? i heard a rumor that says he wouldn&#039;t play until he signed his contract.... hope this is not true... by the way spurs won 78-76 against denver... another solid game for hill and hairston... Ian was good also 12pts 16 rebounds but 10 fouls! oh well... good thing theres no &quot;6 foul and out rule&quot; during summerleague...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Varner,</p>
<p>any idea why Blair didn&#8217;t play today? i heard a rumor that says he wouldn&#8217;t play until he signed his contract&#8230;. hope this is not true&#8230; by the way spurs won 78-76 against denver&#8230; another solid game for hill and hairston&#8230; Ian was good also 12pts 16 rebounds but 10 fouls! oh well&#8230; good thing theres no &#8220;6 foul and out rule&#8221; during summerleague&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Varner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Varner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny,

+1</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Varner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Varner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beck is auditioning for European scouts.</description>
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		<title>By: Big Whit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Whit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the prospective on Ian.  What is you take on Beck (17)?  He had a very good first game.  He looked like a young Manu (dare I say?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the prospective on Ian.  What is you take on Beck (17)?  He had a very good first game.  He looked like a young Manu (dare I say?)</p>
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		<title>By: johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that most front offices like the Spurs don&#039;t look  at players as 1 position players. Most players fit into a 2 position. Take Haislip he is a 3/4 player. Duncan is a 4/5, McDyess is a 4/5, ian is a 4/5, manu is a 2/3, finley is a 2/3, mason is a 1/2, hairston is a 2/3 etc etc. Basically in todays NBA the 4 and 5 positions and to an extent the 2/3 positions are seen as the same positions. Bigs are bigs and wings are wings for the most part. Then of course you have more small ball lineups where maybe you have 2 1&#039;s on the court and a 3 playing as a 4 man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most front offices like the Spurs don&#8217;t look  at players as 1 position players. Most players fit into a 2 position. Take Haislip he is a 3/4 player. Duncan is a 4/5, McDyess is a 4/5, ian is a 4/5, manu is a 2/3, finley is a 2/3, mason is a 1/2, hairston is a 2/3 etc etc. Basically in todays NBA the 4 and 5 positions and to an extent the 2/3 positions are seen as the same positions. Bigs are bigs and wings are wings for the most part. Then of course you have more small ball lineups where maybe you have 2 1&#8217;s on the court and a 3 playing as a 4 man.</p>
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