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		<title>By: Notebook: The Tragedy of Toine and Maybe the Best Story of the NBA Off-Season So Far &#187; Boston Celtics Basketball &#8211; Celtics news, rumors and analysis &#8211; CelticsHub.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Johnny Ludden&#8217;s piece on the Spurs off-season moves for Yahoo!. (Massive hat tip: The great 48 Minutes of Hell). It&#8217;s just solid reporting, aided in part by the trust Ludden gained with people in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*comfort level i mean....</description>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/08/08/luddens-summer-overview/comment-page-1/#comment-6721</link>
		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rye,

Got your point, i&#039;m just speculating that &quot;it might happen&quot; i think it depends on how TD plays/comforl level on his current weight (240 lbs) as the season starts... if they (the Spurs) think he needs more weight later on they might ask him to gain 10-15lbs.

Regarding Finley, he really trimmed down last season, players to it for a reason Kobe also trimmed down during his MVP season probably to have more speed and agility. I&#039;d say Gaining/losing weight is done base on a specific need.

As in Duncan&#039;s case, the main reason that he was ask to trim down to 240lbs is to ease the pressure off he&#039;s knees, He is also currently strengthening his legs for the same reason.

He might be asked to gain some weight as the season progresses IF the Spurs sees it that way otherwise he stays the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rye,</p>
<p>Got your point, i&#8217;m just speculating that &#8220;it might happen&#8221; i think it depends on how TD plays/comforl level on his current weight (240 lbs) as the season starts&#8230; if they (the Spurs) think he needs more weight later on they might ask him to gain 10-15lbs.</p>
<p>Regarding Finley, he really trimmed down last season, players to it for a reason Kobe also trimmed down during his MVP season probably to have more speed and agility. I&#8217;d say Gaining/losing weight is done base on a specific need.</p>
<p>As in Duncan&#8217;s case, the main reason that he was ask to trim down to 240lbs is to ease the pressure off he&#8217;s knees, He is also currently strengthening his legs for the same reason.</p>
<p>He might be asked to gain some weight as the season progresses IF the Spurs sees it that way otherwise he stays the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It occurs to me that with the &#039;eye for talent&#039; that both RC and Pop have that the signing of Marcus and Ian Mahinmi is no accident. Marcus Haislip  is more of a lighter, more athletic Hedo with his ability of shooting from any where on the floor, and the Ian Mahinmi addition, he just might be the NBA&#039;s best kept secret in that he is very fast for a big man, and very athletic like D Rob (David Robinson). One can only hope that Ian is taking summer league tutorials from the Admiral the way that Bynum is apparently under the tutelage of Kareem.  Could we bee witnessing the development of D Rob 2.0 in Mahinmi?  
One can only hope.
We have SUCH a deadly line up as a starting 5 and impressive but also unproven bench in some players.  I&#039;m just stoked as I can maintain to see Timmy, Tony, Manu, RJ, and McDyess come on to the floor after a time out (hopefully called by the other team) for the final 3-4 minutes of important games building chemistry, and learning together how to close out games in preparation for closing out the last few games of the WCF and the &#039;10 NBA Finals.  Who is REALLY going to stop that line up? Lebron can only guard one guy, and Shag 
(misspelled on purpose) can only guard so much of the paint, Kobe will be forced to guard either Manu or RJ and won&#039;t be able to provide much of any help defense, Pau&#039;s Defense is as (in)effective as Dirk&#039;s, and Byn(othing) is a no-show when it matters, and Ron Artest? Well when he has his temper tantrums, --and he will-- will fade away like he did with the Rockets when it mattered.  I&#039;m not saying that the Spurs will sweep the Fakers and the Cavs if and when we meet them in the playoffs, but not only will SA be at full strength this season, but every team will need to respect everyone on the floor when the Spurs show up for the last 3-4 minutes in every 4th quarter they play against us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that with the &#8216;eye for talent&#8217; that both RC and Pop have that the signing of Marcus and Ian Mahinmi is no accident. Marcus Haislip  is more of a lighter, more athletic Hedo with his ability of shooting from any where on the floor, and the Ian Mahinmi addition, he just might be the NBA&#8217;s best kept secret in that he is very fast for a big man, and very athletic like D Rob (David Robinson). One can only hope that Ian is taking summer league tutorials from the Admiral the way that Bynum is apparently under the tutelage of Kareem.  Could we bee witnessing the development of D Rob 2.0 in Mahinmi?<br />
One can only hope.<br />
We have SUCH a deadly line up as a starting 5 and impressive but also unproven bench in some players.  I&#8217;m just stoked as I can maintain to see Timmy, Tony, Manu, RJ, and McDyess come on to the floor after a time out (hopefully called by the other team) for the final 3-4 minutes of important games building chemistry, and learning together how to close out games in preparation for closing out the last few games of the WCF and the &#8216;10 NBA Finals.  Who is REALLY going to stop that line up? Lebron can only guard one guy, and Shag<br />
(misspelled on purpose) can only guard so much of the paint, Kobe will be forced to guard either Manu or RJ and won&#8217;t be able to provide much of any help defense, Pau&#8217;s Defense is as (in)effective as Dirk&#8217;s, and Byn(othing) is a no-show when it matters, and Ron Artest? Well when he has his temper tantrums, &#8211;and he will&#8211; will fade away like he did with the Rockets when it mattered.  I&#8217;m not saying that the Spurs will sweep the Fakers and the Cavs if and when we meet them in the playoffs, but not only will SA be at full strength this season, but every team will need to respect everyone on the floor when the Spurs show up for the last 3-4 minutes in every 4th quarter they play against us.</p>
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		<title>By: BigJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion.  

Life has a way of dictating it&#039;s own path.  Looks like Gasol has something to divert his attention to http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9921468/Lakers%27-Gasol-out-at-least-3-weeks-after-surgery</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion.  </p>
<p>Life has a way of dictating it&#8217;s own path.  Looks like Gasol has something to divert his attention to <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9921468/Lakers%27-Gasol-out-at-least-3-weeks-after-surgery" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9921468/Lakers%27-Gasol-out-at-least-3-weeks-after-surgery</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robby,

I&#039;m not suggesting athletes can&#039;t gain weight in the off season, but in season, for a guy who plays 33-34 mpg, I don&#039;t ever recall seeing a player in that situation putting on noticeable weight or bulk in season. 

krista,

Robinson started his career at 235, but later played at 250. He was also 2 inches taller than Duncan, at 7&#039;1&#039;&#039;, and more athletic. I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s all bad, in fact I agree it&#039;s mostly good (Duncan&#039;s losing 15 pounds), but for this team to win a championship it could be another impediment if/when they get into series against the other contenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robby,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not suggesting athletes can&#8217;t gain weight in the off season, but in season, for a guy who plays 33-34 mpg, I don&#8217;t ever recall seeing a player in that situation putting on noticeable weight or bulk in season. </p>
<p>krista,</p>
<p>Robinson started his career at 235, but later played at 250. He was also 2 inches taller than Duncan, at 7&#8242;1&#8221;, and more athletic. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s all bad, in fact I agree it&#8217;s mostly good (Duncan&#8217;s losing 15 pounds), but for this team to win a championship it could be another impediment if/when they get into series against the other contenders.</p>
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		<title>By: krista</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Robinson played at 235.  I don&#039;t recall that being an issue against bigger opponents.  If playing at a lower weight helps Tim&#039;s knees and lengthens his career than it is better for the Spurs.  I&#039;d rather have Tim on the court all season and get pushed around a handful of times than have him miss 30+ games and have opponents go around him easily if he is less mobile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Robinson played at 235.  I don&#8217;t recall that being an issue against bigger opponents.  If playing at a lower weight helps Tim&#8217;s knees and lengthens his career than it is better for the Spurs.  I&#8217;d rather have Tim on the court all season and get pushed around a handful of times than have him miss 30+ games and have opponents go around him easily if he is less mobile.</p>
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		<title>By: hobson13</title>
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		<dc:creator>hobson13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The market is frequently wrong, or we wouldn’t ever witness the collapse of entire segments of the economy.&quot;  Excellent point, BB.  You may be able to somewhat accurately predict next season IF all all the teams stood pat and barring injuries, but that is obviously not the case and won&#039;t be the case.

Take two teams like the Spurs and Magic.  They had so many additions and subtractions on their respective teams that it&#039;s impossible to really know how much better they really became.  We all generally agree that they got better, but the question is how much better?  

The only way to know the real answer is to roll the ball out on the court and let the teams go toe-to-toe.  The answer to all of our questions will become much more clear as the season progresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The market is frequently wrong, or we wouldn’t ever witness the collapse of entire segments of the economy.&#8221;  Excellent point, BB.  You may be able to somewhat accurately predict next season IF all all the teams stood pat and barring injuries, but that is obviously not the case and won&#8217;t be the case.</p>
<p>Take two teams like the Spurs and Magic.  They had so many additions and subtractions on their respective teams that it&#8217;s impossible to really know how much better they really became.  We all generally agree that they got better, but the question is how much better?  </p>
<p>The only way to know the real answer is to roll the ball out on the court and let the teams go toe-to-toe.  The answer to all of our questions will become much more clear as the season progresses.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, Kaveh, but I still don&#039;t think there&#039;s any value in those odds other than to predict very roughly the rankings at the end of the regular season. If bettors have a say, keep in mind that LA&#039;s market is bigger than any other competitive team&#039;s, and closer to Las Vegas.

At the beginning of last season, the Magic were 25/1 odds to win, behind the Cavs, Bulls, Celtics and Pistons in the east.

The market is frequently wrong, or we wouldn&#039;t ever witness the collapse of entire segments of the economy. I&#039;m gonna keep saying it - we won&#039;t know anything about this season until we start playing. My best guess favor the Lakers coming out of the west, strictly because they won last year, and kept that team intact. But there are 82 games and four rounds of playoffs between now and then, and that means it can only be a guess. You should bet on the Lakers before their odds get any lower. (rising odds = greater payout, fwiw)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, Kaveh, but I still don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any value in those odds other than to predict very roughly the rankings at the end of the regular season. If bettors have a say, keep in mind that LA&#8217;s market is bigger than any other competitive team&#8217;s, and closer to Las Vegas.</p>
<p>At the beginning of last season, the Magic were 25/1 odds to win, behind the Cavs, Bulls, Celtics and Pistons in the east.</p>
<p>The market is frequently wrong, or we wouldn&#8217;t ever witness the collapse of entire segments of the economy. I&#8217;m gonna keep saying it &#8211; we won&#8217;t know anything about this season until we start playing. My best guess favor the Lakers coming out of the west, strictly because they won last year, and kept that team intact. But there are 82 games and four rounds of playoffs between now and then, and that means it can only be a guess. You should bet on the Lakers before their odds get any lower. (rising odds = greater payout, fwiw)</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point TheRed&amp;Black, if things pan out for the Spurs, that might happen often this upcoming season...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point TheRed&amp;Black, if things pan out for the Spurs, that might happen often this upcoming season&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaveh</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/08/08/luddens-summer-overview/comment-page-1/#comment-6710</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaveh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB

You wrote:
&quot;I was under the impression that those odds are partly determined by the share of betting a team attracts. Thus, if a great many bets were placed on the Lakers at this point, their odds would decrease correspondingly&quot;

That&#039;s my point exactly.  These odds are decided by the marketplace.  It is not an individual or a small group of people deciding what the odds are.  The more people bet on the lakers, the more their odds RISE, thus making the payout less.  Thus these odds are decided by the collective will of the market place ---everyone with an opinion, and the money and confidence to back up said opinion, has an affect on the odds.  

There is a saying in the speculative trading community --the market is always right.  It is the number 1 rule for trading the investment markets.  Fight the market and they&#039;ll take you out in a body bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
&#8220;I was under the impression that those odds are partly determined by the share of betting a team attracts. Thus, if a great many bets were placed on the Lakers at this point, their odds would decrease correspondingly&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my point exactly.  These odds are decided by the marketplace.  It is not an individual or a small group of people deciding what the odds are.  The more people bet on the lakers, the more their odds RISE, thus making the payout less.  Thus these odds are decided by the collective will of the market place &#8212;everyone with an opinion, and the money and confidence to back up said opinion, has an affect on the odds.  </p>
<p>There is a saying in the speculative trading community &#8211;the market is always right.  It is the number 1 rule for trading the investment markets.  Fight the market and they&#8217;ll take you out in a body bag.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRed&#38;Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRed&#38;Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opponents are going to have to give someone big numbers this year, because they can no longer collapse their defense on Timmy like last season while you have Tony, RJ, McDyess, and Mason, and Manu sitting outside. Wow I cannot wait. I need my fix!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opponents are going to have to give someone big numbers this year, because they can no longer collapse their defense on Timmy like last season while you have Tony, RJ, McDyess, and Mason, and Manu sitting outside. Wow I cannot wait. I need my fix!</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think TD will benefit with Manu and Tony penetrations (like in the past)... i also believe RJ&#039;s ability to attack the rim will help TD on offense. The most important addition that i see would really help out TD is McDyess because of his midrange jump shots and good passing ability for a big man... can&#039;t really wait &#039;till the season starts and see how our new look Spurs get it done...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think TD will benefit with Manu and Tony penetrations (like in the past)&#8230; i also believe RJ&#8217;s ability to attack the rim will help TD on offense. The most important addition that i see would really help out TD is McDyess because of his midrange jump shots and good passing ability for a big man&#8230; can&#8217;t really wait &#8217;till the season starts and see how our new look Spurs get it done&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheRed&#38;Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRed&#38;Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really not very worried about Duncan on the defensive end of the court. He knows the game of basketball as much or better than anyone in the league. My concerns are with his post abilities on the offensive end. It may not have been such a big concern earlier in his career, but the way the league lets  people abuse him I believe puts more wear on him than on the defensive end; especially when his jump shot isn&#039;t falling, he needs those &quot;easy baskets&quot; in the paint to get in the zone. But then again with manu back and RJ on the squad, we might not need those baskets from TD so much. What do yall think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really not very worried about Duncan on the defensive end of the court. He knows the game of basketball as much or better than anyone in the league. My concerns are with his post abilities on the offensive end. It may not have been such a big concern earlier in his career, but the way the league lets  people abuse him I believe puts more wear on him than on the defensive end; especially when his jump shot isn&#8217;t falling, he needs those &#8220;easy baskets&#8221; in the paint to get in the zone. But then again with manu back and RJ on the squad, we might not need those baskets from TD so much. What do yall think?</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rye, 
i&#039;m no Mr. Expert as i said it might wrong about this and BB said it right :
&quot;But I want to stress that we have no idea how Pop plans on using those 7 bigs defensively. He’s a wily old man. The article also mentioned that TD’s been strengthening his legs, presumably to compensate for the weight loss, and his weak knees.&quot; 

We are all speculating here, but still you can&#039;t deny the reality that athletes (basketball players) can have a weight gain regimen... its a matter of more calorie and protein in take in fact most athletes can successfully gain ½ to 1 pounds of muscle weight per week if they eat enough food to meet their additional calorie and protein needs for 
weight gain or and train properly.

But then again we have to wait and see if this is the Spurs&#039; approach...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rye,<br />
i&#8217;m no Mr. Expert as i said it might wrong about this and BB said it right :<br />
&#8220;But I want to stress that we have no idea how Pop plans on using those 7 bigs defensively. He’s a wily old man. The article also mentioned that TD’s been strengthening his legs, presumably to compensate for the weight loss, and his weak knees.&#8221; </p>
<p>We are all speculating here, but still you can&#8217;t deny the reality that athletes (basketball players) can have a weight gain regimen&#8230; its a matter of more calorie and protein in take in fact most athletes can successfully gain ½ to 1 pounds of muscle weight per week if they eat enough food to meet their additional calorie and protein needs for<br />
weight gain or and train properly.</p>
<p>But then again we have to wait and see if this is the Spurs&#8217; approach&#8230;</p>
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