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		<title>By: Pressurez</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/09/04/sham-on-the-spurs-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-7605</link>
		<dc:creator>Pressurez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

Manu getting $10M is based on the assumptions that he&#039;s healthy and returns to form.  If so, he&#039;s a top 5 SG in the league.  Obviously, Kobe, Wade, Roy and Joe Johnson make a lot more than $10M.  Maybe the closest comparison is Rip Hamilton who recently got extended for $11.6-12.6M/yr.

We can all speculate on whether or not he&#039;ll be healthy, but in the end it&#039;s just guessing.  Unless his season&#039;s plagued by injuries or his talent takes a nosedive, there&#039;s absolutely no way he signs for $5M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>Manu getting $10M is based on the assumptions that he&#8217;s healthy and returns to form.  If so, he&#8217;s a top 5 SG in the league.  Obviously, Kobe, Wade, Roy and Joe Johnson make a lot more than $10M.  Maybe the closest comparison is Rip Hamilton who recently got extended for $11.6-12.6M/yr.</p>
<p>We can all speculate on whether or not he&#8217;ll be healthy, but in the end it&#8217;s just guessing.  Unless his season&#8217;s plagued by injuries or his talent takes a nosedive, there&#8217;s absolutely no way he signs for $5M.</p>
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		<title>By: Zocalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zocalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see you here Sham...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see you here Sham&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sham</title>
		<link>http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/09/04/sham-on-the-spurs-cap/comment-page-1/#comment-7603</link>
		<dc:creator>Sham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wouldn&#039;t focus too much on the &quot;boring&quot; bit. That was a narrative device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wouldn&#8217;t focus too much on the &#8220;boring&#8221; bit. That was a narrative device.</p>
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		<title>By: zainn</title>
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		<dc:creator>zainn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t get bored watching the spurs either because all players and poppovich are always so unpredictable! especially MANUUU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t get bored watching the spurs either because all players and poppovich are always so unpredictable! especially MANUUU</p>
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		<title>By: rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never ever been bored waching spurs game... in fact i got to be bored to the other team.... not my spurs.... it was only the writers who always say that the spurs are boring....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never ever been bored waching spurs game&#8230; in fact i got to be bored to the other team&#8230;. not my spurs&#8230;. it was only the writers who always say that the spurs are boring&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shauna Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 03:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if Tim Duncan is boring, then i couldn&#039;t be happier being a &quot;bored&quot; Spurs fan! : ) 

btw, i&#039;ve never been bored a day in my life and i&#039;ve certainly never been bored watching my Spurs! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Tim Duncan is boring, then i couldn&#8217;t be happier being a &#8220;bored&#8221; Spurs fan! : ) </p>
<p>btw, i&#8217;ve never been bored a day in my life and i&#8217;ve certainly never been bored watching my Spurs! : )</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pressurez, Manu would have to have one hell of a season to be signed for anywhere close to $10m/y, regardless of whether there&#039;s beauty in round numbers. Maybe shooting the winning buzzer-beater in each of the 4 Spurs victories in the Finals would do that, and still I&#039;d say not.

I know overpaying is a common recreational activity for owners around the league, but at some point it&#039;s also about what other teams are ready to pay. Sad to say but as we speak Manu&#039;s only value is as an expiring contract. My guess is that he gets signed for 2 years for $5-6m/y, assuming he plays more than 3 games this year (I&#039;m sill not sold on that idea, despite him being rested and healthy and all that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pressurez, Manu would have to have one hell of a season to be signed for anywhere close to $10m/y, regardless of whether there&#8217;s beauty in round numbers. Maybe shooting the winning buzzer-beater in each of the 4 Spurs victories in the Finals would do that, and still I&#8217;d say not.</p>
<p>I know overpaying is a common recreational activity for owners around the league, but at some point it&#8217;s also about what other teams are ready to pay. Sad to say but as we speak Manu&#8217;s only value is as an expiring contract. My guess is that he gets signed for 2 years for $5-6m/y, assuming he plays more than 3 games this year (I&#8217;m sill not sold on that idea, despite him being rested and healthy and all that)</p>
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		<title>By: pressurez</title>
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		<dc:creator>pressurez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 05:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write-up.  However, two of the Spurs&#039; most important salary-related issues were neglected.

1) Manu&#039;s expiring contract.  Will he be extended, for how much (health-dependent likely), or god forbid his $10M of expiring salary traded?

2) Duncan&#039;s 2010 discount.  Tim&#039;s salary drops from over$22M in 2009 to under $19M in 2010.

Both of these issues are central to the Spurs&#039; immediate future in building the team.  Entirely speculation, but I would guess Manu stays relatively healthy and gets re-signed for somewhere around $10M/yr.  Why $10M?  Because it&#039;s a nice round number.  Because it&#039;s roughly the going rate for an aging shooting guard with all-star talent, because it means no pay cut for Manu, and because (due to Tim&#039;s discount) it means the Spurs would have almost exactly the same payroll in 2010 as 2009.

The repercussions of this are considerable.  Assuming Peter Holt is comfortable with hitting the same paycheck, the Spurs can do something exciting with their other expiring contracts (Mason, Bonner, Finley).  Most teams can&#039;t toss away expiring contracts because they have to use the freed money to counter the incremental raises all their other players receive yearly.  But as stated above, thanks to Tim&#039;s discount and assuming Gino gets $10M or so, the Spurs can be players in February.

Maybe the Wizards disappoint and Caron Butler becomes available.  Or maybe it&#039;s Detroit and Tayshaun or Rip.  I don&#039;t foresee a quality big becoming available, and I&#039;m hoping George Hill makes it entirely unnecessary to search for a PG.

Are there other wings that may pop up on the market?  I&#039;ll throw one more out there: James Posey.  New Orleans may not want to trade to a contender, but they&#039;re certainly likely to want to shed salary.  And Posey could be had for only 2 of our 3 expiring.  He&#039;s tough, plays great D, hits big 3s, would make for a formidable bench presence in the playoffs (a la Horry), has the ability to guard mobile 4s, and is a hard-core veteran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write-up.  However, two of the Spurs&#8217; most important salary-related issues were neglected.</p>
<p>1) Manu&#8217;s expiring contract.  Will he be extended, for how much (health-dependent likely), or god forbid his $10M of expiring salary traded?</p>
<p>2) Duncan&#8217;s 2010 discount.  Tim&#8217;s salary drops from over$22M in 2009 to under $19M in 2010.</p>
<p>Both of these issues are central to the Spurs&#8217; immediate future in building the team.  Entirely speculation, but I would guess Manu stays relatively healthy and gets re-signed for somewhere around $10M/yr.  Why $10M?  Because it&#8217;s a nice round number.  Because it&#8217;s roughly the going rate for an aging shooting guard with all-star talent, because it means no pay cut for Manu, and because (due to Tim&#8217;s discount) it means the Spurs would have almost exactly the same payroll in 2010 as 2009.</p>
<p>The repercussions of this are considerable.  Assuming Peter Holt is comfortable with hitting the same paycheck, the Spurs can do something exciting with their other expiring contracts (Mason, Bonner, Finley).  Most teams can&#8217;t toss away expiring contracts because they have to use the freed money to counter the incremental raises all their other players receive yearly.  But as stated above, thanks to Tim&#8217;s discount and assuming Gino gets $10M or so, the Spurs can be players in February.</p>
<p>Maybe the Wizards disappoint and Caron Butler becomes available.  Or maybe it&#8217;s Detroit and Tayshaun or Rip.  I don&#8217;t foresee a quality big becoming available, and I&#8217;m hoping George Hill makes it entirely unnecessary to search for a PG.</p>
<p>Are there other wings that may pop up on the market?  I&#8217;ll throw one more out there: James Posey.  New Orleans may not want to trade to a contender, but they&#8217;re certainly likely to want to shed salary.  And Posey could be had for only 2 of our 3 expiring.  He&#8217;s tough, plays great D, hits big 3s, would make for a formidable bench presence in the playoffs (a la Horry), has the ability to guard mobile 4s, and is a hard-core veteran.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Varner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Varner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I botched the intro. I wanted to include a reference to Sham&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/labels/Abject%20Brilliance%20On%20My%20Part.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;abject brilliance&lt;/a&gt; and work for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/BasketBollocks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DraftExpress&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I botched the intro. I wanted to include a reference to Sham&#8217;s <a href="http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/labels/Abject%20Brilliance%20On%20My%20Part.jsp" rel="nofollow">abject brilliance</a> and work for <a href="http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/BasketBollocks/" rel="nofollow">DraftExpress</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Varner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Varner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zocalo,

He&#039;s great.  We were lucky to get him for a post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zocalo,</p>
<p>He&#8217;s great.  We were lucky to get him for a post.</p>
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		<title>By: Zocalo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zocalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 02:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God Bless Sham...He is kinda off, but then again he is English.

His draft diary is also a good read... significantly better than Bill Simmons.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2009/06/shams-unnecessarily-long-2009-draft_1695.jsp

Poor guy wanted Blair so badly....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God Bless Sham&#8230;He is kinda off, but then again he is English.</p>
<p>His draft diary is also a good read&#8230; significantly better than Bill Simmons.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2009/06/shams-unnecessarily-long-2009-draft_1695.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/2009/06/shams-unnecessarily-long-2009-draft_1695.jsp</a></p>
<p>Poor guy wanted Blair so badly&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, well explained...</description>
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		<title>By: twalter</title>
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		<dc:creator>twalter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! I think the Spurs are in a good spot. They are pushing hard for success in the now, and will clear house in one swoop in two or three years, and be able to start fresh for another decade of dominance.

www.NBATradeRumorsCentral.com - Latest NBA Trade Rumors</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I think the Spurs are in a good spot. They are pushing hard for success in the now, and will clear house in one swoop in two or three years, and be able to start fresh for another decade of dominance.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.NBATradeRumorsCentral.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.NBATradeRumorsCentral.com</a> &#8211; Latest NBA Trade Rumors</p>
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		<title>By: Vittorio De Zen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vittorio De Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sham rules. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sham rules. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Latin_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latin_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when people smarter than me are able to explain complex economical situations to me. I leave this post feeling like I actually understand what the Spurs&#039; options and assets are for the near future - and that&#039;s something.

Thanks, Mark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when people smarter than me are able to explain complex economical situations to me. I leave this post feeling like I actually understand what the Spurs&#8217; options and assets are for the near future &#8211; and that&#8217;s something.</p>
<p>Thanks, Mark.</p>
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