Comments on: The End of the Roster http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/ A San Antonio Spurs Blog Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:42:56 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Big Whit http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9240 Big Whit Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:09:50 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9240 Grego - You were right. I humbly withdraw my previous comment. Grego – You were right. I humbly withdraw my previous comment.

]]> By: BigWhit http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9235 BigWhit Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:42:53 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9235 Grego - you were right. I humbly withdraw my earlier comment! Grego – you were right. I humbly withdraw my earlier comment!

]]> By: Grego http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9215 Grego Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:34:15 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9215 Well Finley just proved that he still has it and warrants play time. Although I don't expect either Finley or Bonner to be in the starting lineup by the All Star break. Well Finley just proved that he still has it and warrants play time.

Although I don’t expect either Finley or Bonner to be in the starting lineup by the All Star break.

]]> By: J http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9212 J Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:22:46 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9212 I think Hairston, Williams, Bogans, and Mahinmi should fill slots 12-15 and Jerrells and Haislip will be cut. They'll be offered non-roster slots with the Toros, and Jerrells may accept that, but I think Haislip is headed for euro leagues. Which of the 4 who make it get slot 12 is hard to say, but I think it will be Bogans. Hairston is playing better for sure, but he needs the playing time he can get in Austin. Instead, Bogans will languish in the 12th slot on the team, getting garbage time minutes, and the occasional game with real minutes. With Ginobili, Mason, Finley, and Hill all capable of playing the 2 position, it's hard to see Bogans getting much playing time unless he can assert himself as a serious stopper a la Bruce Bowen. I think the Spurs hope he can be coached into contributing on D at Bowen's level, but I don't think he's there yet. The real surprise story of the pre-season is not Hairston, Williams, or Mahinmi, but DeJuan Blair, who is practically contending for a starting spot. He won't start, but I suspect he'll end up being the first post player off the bench. Hairston will get a callup at the first injury to a perimeter player, or will get Bogans slot on the team if Bogans continues to disappoint. I think Hairston, Williams, Bogans, and Mahinmi should fill slots 12-15 and Jerrells and Haislip will be cut. They’ll be offered non-roster slots with the Toros, and Jerrells may accept that, but I think Haislip is headed for euro leagues. Which of the 4 who make it get slot 12 is hard to say, but I think it will be Bogans. Hairston is playing better for sure, but he needs the playing time he can get in Austin. Instead, Bogans will languish in the 12th slot on the team, getting garbage time minutes, and the occasional game with real minutes. With Ginobili, Mason, Finley, and Hill all capable of playing the 2 position, it’s hard to see Bogans getting much playing time unless he can assert himself as a serious stopper a la Bruce Bowen. I think the Spurs hope he can be coached into contributing on D at Bowen’s level, but I don’t think he’s there yet.

The real surprise story of the pre-season is not Hairston, Williams, or Mahinmi, but DeJuan Blair, who is practically contending for a starting spot. He won’t start, but I suspect he’ll end up being the first post player off the bench.

Hairston will get a callup at the first injury to a perimeter player, or will get Bogans slot on the team if Bogans continues to disappoint.

]]> By: ChillFAN http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9148 ChillFAN Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:26:45 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9148 even As a huge hater of Finleys defense, I have to agree that Grego has a Great point, his deficits are now offset by rest of roster. Finley is more of a clutch shooter now than any of the rest of the guys listed will ever be. If Bogans can be a superior lockdown defender, I say keep him. But if his D isn't over the top better than others, better to have a less experienced but balanced athlete. Similar to Bonner. Weird, but Now that he's not starting. He really can probably have more confidence & help more. even As a huge hater of Finleys defense, I have to agree that Grego has a Great point, his deficits are now offset by rest of roster. Finley is more of a clutch shooter now than any of the rest of the guys listed will ever be.

If Bogans can be a superior lockdown defender, I say keep him. But if his D isn’t over the top better than others, better to have a less experienced but balanced athlete.

Similar to Bonner. Weird, but Now that he’s not starting. He really can probably have more confidence & help more.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-2/#comment-9147 Jeff Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:49:15 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9147 What is going on in the mind of the people on here proposing a trade for Shane Battier? #1 Why would Houston make that trade? #2 You realize Battier and R. Jefferson play the same position, right? Obviously you don't because you wouldn't be posting the nonsense you are posting if you did. Great blog, mostly good comments. What is going on in the mind of the people on here proposing a trade for Shane Battier?

#1 Why would Houston make that trade?

#2 You realize Battier and R. Jefferson play the same position, right? Obviously you don’t because you wouldn’t be posting the nonsense you are posting if you did.

Great blog, mostly good comments.

]]> By: Grego http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9142 Grego Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:53:23 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9142 @Big Whit If there were a trade (very unlikely these days), I would rather have Mason/Bonner leaving (unless they needed all 3 expiring contracts). They are the more attractive talent. Mason likely won't be back with the roster additions and Hairston seems to fit better with his athleticism and ability to play D. Then you also have Manu and Hill who can come in as the backups. Bonner is a nice to have with limited minutes, but if it got you the kind of big forward you were searching for, then it is worth it. Ian is here to stay. He needs to stay since Spurs are not young up front and Splitter is still an unknown to come over. He's also shown that upside in recent games. If the real refs comeback, he might not be as foul prone as the replacement refs are. Hairston looks like almost a lock. Spurs have let him start in a preseason game and play big minutes in all games. I don't see how the Spurs would let him go, because he plays Pop's favorite thing, defense. @Big Whit

If there were a trade (very unlikely these days), I would rather have Mason/Bonner leaving (unless they needed all 3 expiring contracts). They are the more attractive talent.

Mason likely won’t be back with the roster additions and Hairston seems to fit better with his athleticism and ability to play D. Then you also have Manu and Hill who can come in as the backups.

Bonner is a nice to have with limited minutes, but if it got you the kind of big forward you were searching for, then it is worth it.

Ian is here to stay. He needs to stay since Spurs are not young up front and Splitter is still an unknown to come over. He’s also shown that upside in recent games. If the real refs comeback, he might not be as foul prone as the replacement refs are.

Hairston looks like almost a lock. Spurs have let him start in a preseason game and play big minutes in all games. I don’t see how the Spurs would let him go, because he plays Pop’s favorite thing, defense.

]]> By: SpursfanSteve http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9141 SpursfanSteve Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:38:01 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9141 if we get rid of Bogans, we can keep all 3 anyway, plus Finley. I'm sure i am coming off as incredibly anti-Bogans, i think he is a solid role player, unfortunately i just dont see any opening for that role on our team. I just dont think we need him, now or later. if we get rid of Bogans, we can keep all 3 anyway, plus Finley. I’m sure i am coming off as incredibly anti-Bogans, i think he is a solid role player, unfortunately i just dont see any opening for that role on our team. I just dont think we need him, now or later.

]]> By: Big Whit http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9140 Big Whit Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:55:35 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9140 @ Grego and Cory – I understand your points and I can't argue that Finley has not been key in the past. (Not to mention that the Sunday Express news has an article on Finley that hits on those same points.) I question what he has left in the tank this year. I just feel that adding youth and athleticism is important to the Spurs and we plenty of senior leadership. My preference is a trade. I would not give up keeping Hairston or Manihimi to retain Finley, and Williams is on the bubble in that respect. @ Grego and Cory – I understand your points and I can’t argue that Finley has not been key in the past. (Not to mention that the Sunday Express news has an article on Finley that hits on those same points.) I question what he has left in the tank this year. I just feel that adding youth and athleticism is important to the Spurs and we plenty of senior leadership. My preference is a trade. I would not give up keeping Hairston or Manihimi to retain Finley, and Williams is on the bubble in that respect.

]]> By: Cory Clay http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9128 Cory Clay Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:46:06 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9128 @Grego I agree 100% Finley has gotten noticebly more comfortable every season he has been a Spur! Has hit big shot after big shot for this team when it mattered most. (That means playoffs Mr. Mason) @Grego

I agree 100%

Finley has gotten noticebly more comfortable every season he has been a Spur! Has hit big shot after big shot for this team when it mattered most. (That means playoffs Mr. Mason)

]]> By: Grego http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9124 Grego Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:40:16 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9124 @Big Whit - Finley shot a career best from behind the arc. Finley has a lot to offer. He'll definitely see a noticable decrease in minutes. But....Now that the team has depth, you can hide Finley's negatives (lack of athleticism creates defensive mismatches with him). However, he's a team leader and is clutch. You can stick him in the game during situational moments. He can also teach the young guys. You don't cut Finley. Spurs have always had a strong veteran dynamic in their championship teams. He'll now play more of the Kerr role from 02-03 though (although still has more than Kerr back then) @Big Whit -
Finley shot a career best from behind the arc. Finley has a lot to offer.

He’ll definitely see a noticable decrease in minutes. But….Now that the team has depth, you can hide Finley’s negatives (lack of athleticism creates defensive mismatches with him).

However, he’s a team leader and is clutch. You can stick him in the game during situational moments. He can also teach the young guys.

You don’t cut Finley. Spurs have always had a strong veteran dynamic in their championship teams. He’ll now play more of the Kerr role from 02-03 though (although still has more than Kerr back then)

]]> By: Big Whit http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9123 Big Whit Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:09:28 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9123 I wonder how this discussion would go if Finley were added to the “End of the Roster” list. No disrespect to Finley intended, but, I question how much he has to offer the Spurs this year given the team makeup. I believe that the Spurs have a chance to contend plus add young talent to the team. I don’t know the cost for releasing Finley (assuming a trade cannot be arranged) so it may be prohibitive. That said, we could keep Hairston, Manihimi, and Williams if the Spurs keep 15. With the emphasis to rest older players and even Parker, there will be minutes available I wonder how this discussion would go if Finley were added to the “End of the Roster” list. No disrespect to Finley intended, but, I question how much he has to offer the Spurs this year given the team makeup. I believe that the Spurs have a chance to contend plus add young talent to the team. I don’t know the cost for releasing Finley (assuming a trade cannot be arranged) so it may be prohibitive. That said, we could keep Hairston, Manihimi, and Williams if the Spurs keep 15. With the emphasis to rest older players and even Parker, there will be minutes available

]]> By: zainn http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9115 zainn Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:21:40 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9115 lol that will definitely be on youtube pretty soon. Man I don't think the spurs have ever had this many roster problems in a big while now. I also agree about the chris bosh situation and how shane battier could be traded for cap relief and chris bosh. Could be possible due to the fact that the rockets might not even make it to the playoffs this season. But t mac's contract ends in 2010 I think so there is a chance that shane would not be traded if houston didn't keep t mac ( which is a controversial issue). lol that will definitely be on youtube pretty soon. Man I don’t think the spurs have ever had this many roster problems in a big while now. I also agree about the chris bosh situation and how shane battier could be traded for cap relief and chris bosh. Could be possible due to the fact that the rockets might not even make it to the playoffs this season. But t mac’s contract ends in 2010 I think so there is a chance that shane would not be traded if houston didn’t keep t mac ( which is a controversial issue).

]]> By: SpursfanSteve http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9114 SpursfanSteve Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:34:42 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9114 update: it was shaq, it was clean, and it made my day. http://www.nba.com/video/games/spurs/2009/10/16/0010900071_cle_sas_1h.nba/index.html AWESOME!! talk about good basketball instincts. he may not be the most athletic guy out there- but he knows what he is doing. When he just has a role to play and isnt being depended on as much as we had to rely on him last year, the guy is good. update: it was shaq, it was clean, and it made my day.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/spurs/2009/10/16/0010900071_cle_sas_1h.nba/index.html

AWESOME!! talk about good basketball instincts. he may not be the most athletic guy out there- but he knows what he is doing. When he just has a role to play and isnt being depended on as much as we had to rely on him last year, the guy is good.

]]> By: SpursfanSteve http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/10/15/the-end-of-the-roster/comment-page-1/#comment-9110 SpursfanSteve Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:20:54 +0000 http://www.48minutesofhell.com/?p=5020#comment-9110 on a separate note, I'm looking at the box score, its shortly before halftime, and Bonner has been credited with a block. is that the first of his career? Wish the game was on TV, and i hope it was Shaq he stuffed. on a separate note, I’m looking at the box score, its shortly before halftime, and Bonner has been credited with a block. is that the first of his career? Wish the game was on TV, and i hope it was Shaq he stuffed.

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