Comments on: Duncan, Trade Market Implications

By: grego

grego — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:43:26 +0000

@Ivanman – Toronto wouldn’t do that either. They don’t gain much for giving up such a prize. Even though he could walk away for nothing ,they have better odds of holding out and doing a sign and trade which generally happens, especially on one of the biggest contracts of Bosh’s career (coming up).

Spurs are already undersized. They just removed their one and only real 3. All the other guys who’d replace Jefferson would not really make up for it. And this was the previous issue in years past. RJ is the best 3 they’ve had in ages. He also have the potential given the rest of the year really to pay off. He’s showing promise that he’s starting to round that corner in terms of his comfort zone and knowing when and how to get his points. Helps that Pop is setting up plays to get him open such as back screens or hand offs.

Bosh will likely end up playing his career in Chicago, New York or NJ. Maybe even Miami if Riley can convince Wade to stay. That would be a stellar combo. Got some young talent for a sign and trade and both are under the cap next year so they don’t need a 3rd team.

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By: Cory Clay

Cory Clay — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:31:57 +0000

@lvmainman

Also, just b/c a team cuts a fringe player to avoid that player’s contract being guarunteed for the rest of the year does not mean that the team is in a cut cost at all expense mode. In fact alot of teams will probably being doing the exact same thing today.

By: Cory Clay

Cory Clay — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:18:05 +0000

These Bosh posts are all nice pipe dreams but the topic was Duncan’s productivity leading the Spurs to take on more salary from a team in Fire Sale mode, Toronto has done nothing to make us think they are anywhere close to being at that level.

Teams like New Orleans, Washington, Utah, are teams that are looking to slash salary.

Teams like Chicago, Houston, Clippers, and Miami are looking to get as much cap space for this coming offseason as possible.

These are the types of teams the Spurs will potentially be dealing with.

By: Filipe

Filipe — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:25:16 +0000

Raptors will not deal Bosh February. Sorry guys, not happening. Colangelo will lose his job if he does a panic Bosh trade, unless he gets 100% value back which no one will gave him. Raps will likely stand still (maybe dealing Calderon as Jack is playing well and Calderon has value despite being the worst 1 on 1 defender in league history) and hope for the best. And they have a good shot of get a sign and trade deal out of him to either NY (Lee-Robinson), New Jersey (Harris), Miami (Beasley) or Dallas (Howard). All of them better deals then what we would likely offer.

By: lvmainman

lvmainman — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:40:09 +0000

Spurs get Chris Bosh, Marcus Banks

Raptors get Tracy McGrady, Carl Landry

Rockets get Richard Jefferson, Matt Bonner, and Rasho Nesterovic

Spurs compensate for loss of Jefferson with Finley, Mason, Hill and Hairston.

By: lvmainman

lvmainman — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 05:08:48 +0000

Grego,
Bryan Colangelo is not going to let Bosh walk away for nothing. They didn’t let Marion walk away, see the 3 way team deal with the Mavericks.

Colangelo signed Turkoglu to 5 yr – $53 million. Calderon 4 yr – $37 million. Bargnani 5 yr – $45 million. Jack 4 yr – $20 million

Now he’s going to sign Bosh to 3 yr – $55 million??

They just cut Pops Mensah-Bonsu to save $400,000. The deal Jesse proposed saves $7.5 million!! Add $3.75 million for luxury tax purposes thats $11.25 million saved.

And if you don’t think Anthony Randolph has potential, you haven’t seen him play. Think a more athletic, but less cerebral David Lee.

Colangelo would salivate over a deal like that.

By: mori1040

mori1040 — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:20:57 +0000

Jesse,

Listening to the Warriors broadcast tonight (I live in SF bay area), the GM emphatically states that they will move Randolph ONLY if the deal will procure a star player who has at least 2 years on his contract. Through the Amare fiasco this summer, the Warriors seem to finally realize that any quality player they get will opt to leave when they become a free agent.

So I don’t see them doing business in this case unless it results in Ginobili, Parker or Bosh.

By: Jesse Blanchard

Jesse Blanchard — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:55:47 +0000

Haha, again a great wish. And who knows, with the Warriors inept franchise it’s at least worth a call. But even if Blair and/or Hill were part of a package like that, I’d do it in a heart beat.

By: grego

grego — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:54:09 +0000

@Ivmainman –

Collangello is not a tard like Chris Ford. He makes Isiah Thomas not feel all alone. With that said, Marc Gasol isn’t bad, so you need at least a good prospect, aside from money dumping, generally.

Having said that, Spurs got their version of it already, getting RJ.

By: lvmainman

lvmainman — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:30:00 +0000

Wow, Jesse, great deal for Spurs. Keep big 3 intact with Hill and Blair for youth role players. Add Bosh. Sub Maggette for Jefferson. Phenomenal.

Reasoning for all teams makes sense except maybe Warriors, but if they’re for sale and Nelson dislikes Randolph like he did Webber, Harrington, Crawford, etc., then great.

If Pau Gasol can be had for Kwame Brown, I don’t see why Bosh can’t be had for peanuts.

Somebody get Jesse’s proposal to R. C. Buford quick.

By: VP of Common Sense

VP of Common Sense — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:10:23 +0000

Not to burst anyone’s bubble here but the last thing we need are any Warrior players.. Those guys have been playing Nellie-ball for too long. It would take 2 seasons just to teach them what defense is.

If we bring anyone in before Feb deadline it’s got to be a pro with a great basketball IQ.

By: Cory Clay

Cory Clay — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:56:46 +0000

@JP, I don’t know who mentioned trading Parker for Battier, but yeah that obviously wouldn’t be a good trade. Now the option of trading our expiring contracta for Battier is a different story and that is why I brought it up in earlier comments on this thread.

By: Hobson13

Hobson13 — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:30:31 +0000

Great conversation so far. I agree that there are going to be some fire sales here by the trade deadline. The economy has been bad for close to two years and it’s starting to wear on teams. Manu’s expiring contract of almost $11 million and Tony’s reasonable contract are the two biggest assets the Spurs have not including smaller ones like Bonner, Mason, etc.

Here’s how I see the Spurs situated. As currently constructed, the Spurs have four big name players, one great post presence and three good wing players. In order for this team to go head to head with the larger teams, I say we need to trade a wing. I don’t believe anyone wants Jefferson’s contract and do we really want to trade Tony? Just 6 months ago everyone thought he was a top 3 PG. He’s had a tough stretch, but at 27 he is still young and reasonably paid. To me the only thing that makes sense is to trade Manu or a combination of other people’s expiring contract to get a Jamison, Boozer, West, or Bosh type (even though I think Bosh is WAY out of the Spurs league)

P.S. On Hollingers chat a week ago he said he wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs make a trade come deadline time.

My dream trade: Jefferson for Maggette, Randolph, and Anthony Morrow. Not gonna happen but fun to think on…

By: JP

JP — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:58:24 +0000

I don’t see how trading an all-star point guard and 18 pts per game scorer (not to mention trade chip for next season) for a glue guy/role player (Battier) makes the Spurs better. Battier would be a nice addition to any team but if your shopping Parker and Jefferson I think you can do way better than Battier.