Friday, July 16th, 2010...8:33 am
Matt Bonner: Jonesing for a sandwich
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If you don’t watch The Basketball Jones on a regular basis, you’re missing out. Recently, The Jones’ Tas Melas took some time to join sandwich enthusiast, and recently re-signed Spur, Matt Bonner in the kitchen to create a masterpiece of the deli.
Or just a sandwich with chips. Have a look-see:
He’s really got a great ability to spread the mayo and open things up for the other ingredients.
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July 16th, 2010 at 9:08 am
he’s such a beast
July 16th, 2010 at 9:16 am
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July 16th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Bonner is like horseradish: when used sparingly, it really accentuates the rest of the sammich.
July 16th, 2010 at 9:26 am
ThatBigGuy
July 16th, 2010 at 9:24 am Bonner is like horseradish: when used sparingly, it really accentuates the rest of the sammich
+50
July 16th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Sorry, ThatBigGuy, but you can’t beat the last line of the post.
+10000
July 16th, 2010 at 9:47 am
crazy left-field question: any chance of signing oberto on the cheap for this year?
July 16th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Kettle chips best chips ever……. Everyone needs to get off Bonners back anyone that makes a sandwich that looks that good is fine by me . Im still dreaming of hearing Sean Elliott say “San Antonio has blasted off to their 5th championship behind a game winning three from Matty Bonner” ….. but I digress.
July 16th, 2010 at 9:52 am
@mikrobass3
July 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am
@mikrobass3
oops didn’t realize pressing tab does not work in these windows . What I was going to say is that according to NBA.com Fab is probably not going to be rejoining the Wizards this year , they haven’t resigned him yet, and they where using him very sparingly….. so I would say we can get Fab on the cheap but the real question is does pop or R.C. really think we need him ?
July 16th, 2010 at 9:56 am
“He’s really got a great ability to spread the mayo and open things up for the other ingredients”
Best description of Bonner ever!!!
Go Spurs Go!!
July 16th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Firebrand, if our championship hopes come down to Bonner hitting a game winning three, we’re screwed. Matt Bonner fans can try to defend what he does in the regular season, but the past two post seasons, he has sucked big time, and there’s no denying that.
I’d rather have Timmy take a last second three, at least he’s made the only one he ever took in the playoffs! Lol.
July 16th, 2010 at 10:09 am
@ duaneofly
Good point.
Timmy shoots 100% on game winning 3′s in the playoffs….
Thats a guy I would really like to acquire this offseason!
July 16th, 2010 at 10:14 am
forever united crowned kings you peter (he’s from concord, too!)
July 16th, 2010 at 10:15 am
@duaneofly
Point given . It was more of a daydream inspired by lunch time hunger and low blood sugar lol . His lack of post season success is a big big problem but in the end I think that just cements his role as a guy that will come of the bench and do some dirty work pick up some fouls and hit a 3 now and again . He has been clutch shooting the three before although never in post season when it really counts , I am not ready to give up on him yet tho. For future reference please never remind me of that 3 again … all I remember is how that arena reeked of fish afterwards. I still hate Derek Fisher! He could build a church a school and an orphanage in San Antonio and I would burn them all down ……this is the extant of my sports hate for the guy . Okay maybe not burn them down but I would have to spray paint FISHER SUX in bold on them.
July 16th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Check out my thoughts on the sale of the Warriors and an offseason version of Charles Oakley Rankings
sportsaccordingtome.com
July 16th, 2010 at 11:04 am
I did a double take when I saw that story . They sold for 450 million dollars . This is a team that has seen the playoffs once in the past what decade. Consider my mind officially and irreparably boggled . Wonder how much the Spurs would go for ?
July 16th, 2010 at 11:20 am
I read somewhere that the Spurs were the #3 best franchise only bested by LAKERS and BOSTON. I also read that we have been the most profitable in the last decade - moving our worth from 175M ish to upwards of 500M… Thats a pretty damn good return on your investment if you ask me…
July 16th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Who taught that guy how to open a bag of chips?
July 16th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Yeah DieHardSpur I believe that was a Hollinger article. He ranked championships, wins, and intangibles such as having a fun team etc. My only problem with that article is the Suns got intangible points for being a fun team to watch, but the Spurs didn’t get any for being a playoff team every year, a contender almost every year, and the best run organization in the NBA. To me, as a fan, I appreciate that a lot.
Not that those points would have pushed us past Boston for #2, but still, it’s deserving
& Firebrand, what does Timmy hitting a last second three vs the Suns have to do with Derek Fisher?
July 16th, 2010 at 11:50 am
@duaneofly
I was thinking of that fall away shot when he was leaning to the left that he hit against the lakers and then fisher came back with his .4 shot . I thought that was a three Timmy took.. my bad I just looked at the vid he hit it from the top of the key well shy of a three pointer. thanks for pointing that out.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
@Firebrand, I believe the 3 by timmy was against the suns in the first round game 1 of the 2005 (maybe wrong year?) playoffs with almost no time left.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
@dcatkd
2008.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
for sure I watched it while I was at youtube lol . I love this site I am watching 50 best dunks by the best damn sport show .
July 16th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
@Andrew
Thank you, seen too many big post season moments with Mr. Fundamental to remember when they all happened, lol.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Firebrand, you cannot be both a Spurs fan and a dunk fan. You must choose, one or the other.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
@SpursfanSteve
Gold star for you.
July 16th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
SPURSFANSTEVE -
+10
I was actually thinking of putting together some pie graphs… title?
DUNKING - The Downfall of the Spurs Dynasty
July 16th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
ROFL . SpursfanSteve this is just not true. David Robinson anyone not to mention Manu has some sick dunks , Timmy was called Dunkin Duncan for the first part of his career and I can still remember seeing Steve Smith in game on a breakaway move the ball around his body in a display of showmanship before dunking it down.
July 16th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
I remember a lot of people on this site, me included, getting excited when RJ dunked at the beginning of last season. It’s been a while since we’ve seen a Spur do that!
Except when Pops Mensu-Bonsu (or however you spell it) slammed down a monster dunk and ruined his career as a Spur lol.
July 16th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Apparently we need a light post on Bonner to distract us from the potential tragedy of his recent re-signing. I guess people just don’t understand that nobody’s going to deliberately pay someone 16 mil. over 4 years to eat popcorn on the bench. No, Bonner is penciled into the regular rotation, and with it, our “D” remains too weak to truly challenge. ALL players in the rotation need to be good to very good defenders for us to get back over the hump. Bonner’s projected role is unlikely to do that (and even despite TP’s great offense, he will also have to consistently commit more on the defensive end for us to have a shot a title).
July 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Maybe Bonner can make those sandwiches for Blair, Duncan, Dyess, and Splitter since they’ll be tired and hungry from playing all those minutes.
July 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Lol @ Hobson13.
July 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
A sandwich-maker for 4 million a year. Anyone hiring?
July 16th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Maybe Bonner’s pulling double duty as stretch 4 and nutritionist? That’s only $2 million a year for each occupation. Come on, he’s working 2 jobs!
July 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Jim, we get it. You don’t think he’s worth it. No need to beat it to death. Alot of us disagree, because statistics (plus minus being the most often cited) generally support that he is at WORST an average role player and at best, a solid contributor who makes the team better. His defense is not as bad as most people say it is. His athleticism is horrible, but he makes smart plays and knows his limitations. In 15 minutes a game, you arent going to find a better role player. People keep saying he completely disappeared in the playoffs, but i believe he was one of 3 Spurs to make a 3 during the Phoenix series- Manu and George being the others. Aside from fouling Dirk, he didnt play poorly in this years playoffs, even if he didnt shoot as well as he did in the regular season.
He’s far from a waste of space, and far from a waste of money at 4 mil per year. People forget that during the regular season, before breaking his hand, he actually carried the team to a few wins.
Furthermore, he’s the best big on the roster to pair with Duncan, because Matty (in spite of his lack of athleticism) can actually keep up with guys like Lamar Odom. So when the Lakers trot out Bynum/Odom or Gasol/Odom, Bonner becomes even more competent.
And, on top of that, what other bigs can we sign who know our system inside and out? None, because we have no cap space.
Do i want Bonner to get more than 15 minutes a game? No. Do i want to have to rely on Bonner to make clutch shots? No. Do i want him to be one of our 3 best players? No. All i want him to do is come in, make smart plays, shoot open shots, help Tiago learn the system, and run for president.
July 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Bonner’s defense is improving.
Remember a regular season game last year where he did a nice job on Zach Randolph.
July 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Jim Henderson
July 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
“A sandwich-maker for 4 million a year. Anyone hiring?”
Hey, those “quarter meter” sandwiches looked pretty good. Plus you have no idea how much Dejuan eats. He may very well earn that $4mil just making sandwiches alone.
Mr. Anonymous
July 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
“Bonner’s defense is improving.
Remember a regular season game last year where he did a nice job on Zach Randolph.”
Those were the toughest 3 minutes Bonner ever played…
July 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Ok, all the Matt Bonner jokes aside. Has anyone heard ANY new tidbits regarding RJ or James Jones. Rumor was the RJ was going to sign this week. Doesn’t look like it will happen now. Geez things are quiet. A bit too quiet.
July 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
James Jones is a decent backup at the 3 position. That still leaves the starting 3 position open with the remaining cap space likely used to sign James, and maybe a veteran role player at PG.
I think the Spurs braintrust would like to trade some players including Parker for a starter at the 3. The trouble is, most starting 3′s are either so good that they are untouchable on the other team (e.g. Gerald Wallace) or not good enough to part with Parker in a deal (e.g. Matt Barnes on a sign-and-trade).
If Blair is able to develop a mid-range jumper, we might see him play some at the 3. The Spurs brain trust seems to think he is quick enough to guard the more athletic 3′s in the league.
The Spurs have managed to put together a fine collection of young talent for the future after Ginobili and Duncan have stopped playing (Parker, Hill, Blair, Splitter, Anderson, Gee, Jerrells, Hairston, Temple), but if they want to contend for another championship during Duncan’s tenure with the team, they don’t yet have the right mix.
July 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Steve: “His athleticism is horrible, but he makes smart plays and knows his limitations”
Really? How about getting beat on fast breaks, not stopping the ball, not playing help defense and throwing the ball to the other team, which he did too many times to count last year.
Matt can keep up with who? Bullshit. He played 82 more minutes than Blair during the playoffs and REBOUNDED LESS, BLKED LESS, STOLE LESS, TO MORE, SHOT A WORSE FG%. Bonner is arguably the worst big we have on our team
Bonner is a dipshit who sucks. Period. Its comical that instead of writing about something this guy does in his “profession” we get lame food blogs.
Check out the stats. Defensively Bonner is the worst big according to drating. Even worse than Ian. Orating hes worse than Blair AND MCDYESS and he is supposed to be our offensive big… He averages a higher TO percent than our PG. AND… are you ready for this??? AND…….
ONLY HAD A BETTER PER during the playoffs this year (HIS CAREER BEST PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE) than Bogans and Mason.
This guy is trash. He is a piece of crap on the floor and 10 minutes is too much. HE SUCKS. Anyone who has any basic concept of the game of basketball can use the eye test on him. Then you have the stats. What more do you need?
July 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
SpursfanSteve
July 16th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
“Do i want Bonner to get more than 15 minutes a game? No. Do i want to have to rely on Bonner to make clutch shots? No. Do i want him to be one of our 3 best players? No. All i want him to do is come in, make smart plays, shoot open shots, help Tiago learn the system, and run for president.”
Well, that isn’t worth 4 million per, even if we were owned by Bill Gates, and even in this inflated FA market. The fact is (and you don’t dispute this, with good reason), Bonner is nowhere near as good of a defender as we could have gotten to take his spot as a late-rotation player at the 3, 4, and/or 5 spot. No team that I’m aware of goes deeper than 10 in the regular rotation. Here’s our roster, in approximate order of regular season minutes played per game:
(1) Parker - 32
(2) RJ - 30
(3) Hill - 30
(4) Manu - 28
(5) Duncan - 28
(6) Splitter - 24
(7) Blair - 24
(8) Jones? > MLE or LLE - 18
(9) McDyess > or likely Bonner - 14
(10) Bonner > or likely McDyess - 12
(11) Anderson (maybe not, but probably more spotty minutes) - 6 to 8
(12) Temple (maybe not, but probably more spotty minutes) - 6 to 8
* 4 & 5 spot minutes add up to more than 48 because Duncan & McDyess should sit out several games.
We NEED a player like Jones, if that’s the best we can get, and he needs to have a solid role (perimeter “D” & 3-point shooting - hopefully he can hit a “clutch” shot - he’s been in the playoffs 5 times and shot 40% from three - Bonner - 32% in 4 playoffs). If you notice though, the best case scenario for keeping Bonner’s minutes down is to project him to be in the 9th or 10th slot in the rotation. Why not have a defensive/shot-blocking big in that slot? Our defense was ranked 9th last year; during our 4 title years we ranked 1st, 3rd, 1st, & 1st. We also blocked 6.3 shots per game during our title years; last year 4.3 bpg. Also, Bonner tends not to shoot as well when his minutes are too limited. In 2006-07 & 2007-08 Bonner’s mpg. averaged around 12, and he shot just 35% from behind the arc. In his other 4 years combined, he averaged 20.6 mpg., and shot 42% from three. Bonner needs some time to develop a shooting rhythm to maximize his limited benefit to a team, and 12-14 mpg. just isn’t going to cut it. He’s not Vinnie the “Microwave” Johnson. And that’s why I don’t buy that his minutes will be restricted to the 10-12 area (other than his 4 mil. per year salary).
The fact is, in my view, that 9th or 10th spot in the rotation would have been better served with a high-energy, shot-blocking defender in the 4/5 rotation, making half the money of Bonner. If we get a guy like Jones for the SF rotation, and someone like J. Anthony or L. Amundson for the 4/5 (and all of these appear to be realistic options in the 2 million per range), we’d be better defensively, and theoretically have enough three point shooting to “spread the floor” as well (precluding the need to sign Bonner at all, and saving 2 mil. per year):
Jones - 40%
Hill - 40%
Manu - 38%
Anderson - 37%
And hopefully RJ can get his back up closer to where it was with the Bucks in 2008-09 (40%).
Don’t think they’ll make the Roster:
Gee
Jerrells
P.S. This bit about having trouble learning the system is overblown. Blair didn’t have a big trouble learning the “system”, and he was just 20 years old, and undersized. If anything, RJ had more problems adapting to his role as a 4th option in a more slow-placed offense (not a good fit for him based on his history), than in “learning” the system. Trust me, it’s not THAT complicated.
Mr. Anonymous
July 16th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
“Bonner’s defense is improving.
Remember a regular season game last year where he did a nice job on Zach Randolph.”
You point out ONE isolated instance (which by the way, I don’t remember) and you proclaim that Bonner’s “D is improving”?! Come on, let’s get real. Bonner’s 30 years old. His “D” is not improving in any meaningful way at this point.
Hobson13
July 16th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
“He may very well earn that $4mil just making sandwiches alone.”
Even with DeJuan & Shaq, those sandwiches would still have to be laced with gold to make Bonner worth it.
“Has anyone heard ANY new tidbits regarding RJ or James Jones.”
No, I haven’t heard anything about it in the past few days.
July 16th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
J2
July 16th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
“If Blair is able to develop a mid-range jumper, we might see him play some at the 3.”
No. Blair will NEVER be a SF, even part-time.
“The Spurs brain trust seems to think he is quick enough to guard the more athletic 3′s in the league.”
Where did you come up with that?!
July 16th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
@ TradeTP
“Bonner is a dipshit who sucks. Period.”
Congrats. You just made yourself look like a complete ass over the 11th man on the roster. Classy, real classy.
July 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Joel Anthony signed with the Heat according to ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5382899
July 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
@ duaneofly,
Jim Henderson still believes the Spurs have a shot at Joel Anthony, even though I tried to enlighten him.
lvmainman
July 11th, 2010 at 12:51 am
“@ Jim Henderson,
No way the Heat don’t match a LLE offer to Joel Anthony, seeing how they’re short players.”
You don’t know that. Miami has to be VERY careful with how they spend their money now, and the LLE value is about twice the average vet minimum. We would definitely put pressure on them by putting the LLE on the table for Anthony. I’m not so sure they would match. Anthony is a pretty one-dimensional player, and the Heat have a lot of different needs to fill right now.
July 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Above paragraph is attributed to:
Jim Henderson
July 11th, 2010 at 2:15 am
July 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Anyone on here sticking up for our FO resigning Bonner and trying to convince the rest of us how valuable Bonner is really needs to stop hitting the pipe! The only evidence you need to see how much of a liability he is can watch the painful Phoenix sweep of our Spurs last season. In particular how TERRIBLE Bonner was on ‘D’ in that series. Channing Frye acted like he was not even being covered when Bonner was on him as well as getting caught in no mans land and leaving good shooters open for 3′s. He got killed. Anyone that does not believe he will get more than 10 min per game is smoking some stuff I would like to have.
Then there is the comment that he can keep up with Odom! REALLY! You obviously are hitting the crack pipe a little too often.
But I digress, we are stuck with that turd burglar for 4 more years and I will continue to cringe everytime he is on the floor.
July 16th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
duaneofly
July 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
“Joel Anthony signed with the Heat according to ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5382899”
Yeah, finally, weeks into free agency, now that Miami has a clearer picture on their monetary committments & their projected rotation. The point is, nobody knew for sure what the Heat’s intention was with Joel Anthony over the past 2 1/2 weeks of free agency. I doubt Riles was on the Bat-Phone with Pop keeping him abreast of his true intentions. Anthony’s a guy that has been in the league for 3 years and has never made more that 825k. He has improved a little in the last 3 years, but he still has a very one dimensional game. As a result, it was not unreasonable to suspect that he could be available for 2 to 2.4 million per year (LLE to rest of MLE), given Miami’s tight-rope of fielding a competitive team with the cap space they had left. And the fact is, Miami may not have wanted to commit to Anthony as recently as a week ago because they had limited funds to assemble a full roster around the HUGE three, who together, are scheduled to collect 43.2 million in their first year out of a 58 million dollar team salary cap limit (75% of their TEAM salary cap gone on three players, ten to go). We could have at least forced their hand with an offer, and waited to see what happened. But we didn’t.
Estimates, 1st year salaries:
James - 14.5
Bosh - 14.5
Wade - 14.2
Miller - 4.3 (a huge steal because apparently he and James are lovers)
Haslem - 3.5 (also a steal because he just happens to be one of the least greedy & biggest homebodies in the entire NBA)
Anthony - 3.2 (over-paid because the pool of centers available in free agency this year was weak, and apparently he’s a good “character” guy).
Ilgauskas* - 1.5 - 2.5* (another LeBron “buddy” that fell for the “title hype”, and thus agreed to sign well under market value)
Chalmers - .9
* don’t think his contract has been finalized, but at about the 2.5 million mark (for the 7th signed player) Miami is down to minimum contracts for the remaining SIX roster spots, which of course MUST be filled (two low cost draft picks that are unlikely to make their roster and/or rotation).
Anyway, their are still other possibilities out their that we might have been able to offer either the LLE or the remainder from the MLE. And actually, I would prefer Amundson for the 5th big role because he’s a better rebounder, and more scrappy for loose balls. Plus, he’s still ranked right behind Camby in shot-blocking per 48 minutes. But again, he’s a very limited player in a number of respects, and is clearly not a strong offensive performer, particularly in the half-court set. Thus, his salary ceiling should not be very high. He’s played three years in the league, and has never made more than 855k. He had very similar numbers this past year compared to the year previous, and at age 27 his upside is extremely limited. I believe Amundson is still available, and unlike Anthony, he’s an unrestricted free agent. What his ceiling is nobody really knows, but it can’t be much north of 2.4 million, and we’ll never know unless we make an offer.
The point is, there likely are/were options available to try and upgrade this team from more of a DEFENSIVE perspective. I don’t believe we were simply “stuck” with Bonner. We made the deliberate and safe choice to preserve the stretch 4 offensive concept by bringing back a Spurs vet that is really at best a mediocre player. In my view, it’s too much status quo to get us over the hump for another title in the next couple years. We’ll see.
lvmainman
July 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
“Jim Henderson still believes the Spurs have a shot at Joel Anthony, even though I tried to enlighten him.”
You tried to enlighten me?! No, you made an assumption based on I don’t know what, took a guess, and got lucky. By the way, Mr. “Age of Reason”, why did the Heat take so long to sign Anthony if he was such a shoe-in? Any guesses?
July 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Man, the free agents keep on getting snapped up while we do very little, at least it so appears. I do hope RJ is not screwing with us. To me, it seems like the Spurs and RJ are playing a game of chicken. If RJ walks and we get a trade exception we are screwed. There are no suitable Free Agent starting SF’s available for us at this point (outside of maybe Barnes which is highly unlikely). However, by the same token, the longer he waits, the less money other teams have to throw at him. Presumably, RJ is a $6-7$mil/year player and yet all players of that caliber are signed. From what I can tell, either the Spurs or RJ are going to get the shaft.
The best case scenario I can see for our team is this: We resign RJ for a reasonable contract. We then use the remainder of the MLE to sign James Jones. We use the LLE to sign Louis Amundson. These last two guys would form a really nice bench. A good SF backup who can hit the 3 and a nice PF/C who will make the hustle plays and bring physical defense would really round out our summer. It’s a long shot for all three to happen, but we at least need a serviceable SF.
I’m beginning to wonder if we are content to let James Gist and Malik Hairston fight for the backup SF spot or if we will have them both play SF and kiss RJ goodbye (I really hope that doesn’t happen). It would certainly be a cheap solution, but the SF position would be the weakest link on our team BY FAR…in fact that is almost too frightening to consider. I hope we hear some word regarding our Small Forwards by the beginning of next week.
July 16th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Hobson13
July 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
“The best case scenario I can see for our team is this: We resign RJ for a reasonable contract. We then use the remainder of the MLE to sign James Jones. We use the LLE to sign Louis Amundson. These last two guys would form a really nice bench. A good SF backup who can hit the 3 and a nice PF/C who will make the hustle plays and bring physical defense would really round out our summer. It’s a long shot for all three to happen, but we at least need a serviceable SF.”
That might give us a chance, but what’s the hold-up? Have we still not decided how we’re going to finish filling out our roster? Are we really just going to let RJ walk? If not, what’s the hold-up? The Clippers still have some space, and could still use a SF you know. Are we really going to just let our development league players man the SF spot? Are we really not still looking for another proven, veteran shooter/defender? Is this team as currently constructed really a title contender? Have we given it our best shot, and now we’re done?
On a side note, here’s an very interesting story that looks beneath the surface of the LeBron fiasco:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heatfreeagency071610
July 17th, 2010 at 1:11 am
i think the spurs are wating on “the barnes decision”
and if the cavs get barnes ( i don’t know, maybe) then we got a chance with butler..if not ,then we are going to sign jones
July 17th, 2010 at 3:58 am
Guys, have you heard of a dude named Alonzo Gee, who is absolutely lightning up Summer League?
Every scouts rave about his athleticism, all the while praising his decision making in the halfcourt, his patience and his discipline.
Thorpe said that apart from lottery pick, Gee is the player more sure to get a full time gig in the NBA. The Spurs would be complete fools to let him go. They definitely won’t. This guy will get minutes (he has to, he’s really good) and he already has a partial knowledge of our system.
I’d like to see them sign Jones and pair him with Gee on the wing. But at least give Gee some burn, I’m pretty sure we won’t regret it
July 17th, 2010 at 4:25 am
Here’s some food for thought:
Earl Boykins: 5-5
Nate Robinson: 5-9
Spud Webb: 5-7
Speedy Claxton: 5-11
Muggsy Bogues: 5-3
Here are guys all under six feet tall that have had decent NBA careers.
Matt Bonner is 6-10. Yes, I know you can’t teach height, and you obviously can’t field a team full of 6’4 guys, but the question is, would Bonner be in the NBA if he was shorter?
If he was 6’6 and expected to play SF, would he be able to do it? No. He doesn’t nearly have the quickness or lateral movement to keep up with SFs. What if he was 6’2 and a PG? Nope, he doesn’t have great ball handling skills and not much of a midrange game (from what I have seen).
Keep in mind though, Chuck Hayes is 6-6, but filled in for Ming at center. Charles Barkley is listed at 6-6 and he bodied up much bigger opponents as well and was a rebounding machine.
Basically, Bonner is a one trick pony, a so called 3 pt specialist, who disappears in the playoffs. On top of that he’s only in the NBA because he was lucky enough to sprout up to 6-10.
July 17th, 2010 at 5:51 am
@ Duaneofly
What about 5’10″ Avery Johnson? How did you forget him?
July 17th, 2010 at 6:30 am
That Big Guy- Obviously you havent watched the Spurs. Bonner got 17mpg in the playoffs. That isnt 11th man. You dont spend 4mil a year on 11th man. If you do youre an idiot.
It doesnt matter about “class” What matters is winning. If you would like to have a roster filled with humor writers than basketball players, thats your business. But to legit BASKETBALL fans it is an embarassment. I hope discussing hoagies come May is your idea of fun. I would rather talk about potential titles or opponents.
The only way the signing makes sense is to now trade him. but who would want him?
July 17th, 2010 at 10:20 am
@duaneofly
I’m sorry, but I don’t think your rant on Bonner’s NBA career being solely linked to his height holds water.
You mention his quickness, lateral movement, and ball handling skills as his weaknesses, all of which are dependent on one’s physical build. Bonner has little quickness and lateral movement because he’s 6’10″ and built like a lumber jack. He has little ballhandling skills because his position on the floor, he is a very solid stretch 4 mind you, doesn’t require that of him.
By large, you could make that same argument against any other player in the NBA. Do you think Tim Duncan would make it as a point guard in this league with his current quickness, lateral movement, and ball handling skills? Did you watch the Phoenix series when Duncan was forced to guard Nash? It didn’t go over very well. But, as it stands, Duncan is probably the greatest power forward of all time. Taller, bigger people, in general, are not as quick or athletic as those who are under 6-feet tall.
July 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am
@JimHenderson - “The point is, nobody knew for sure what the Heat’s intention was with Joel Anthony over the past 2 1/2 weeks of free agency.”
“Often in error, never in doubt”, eh? Lvmainman schooled you on this one because he understands the salary cap. You say the Spurs might have nabbed Anthony for 2m “given Miami’s tight-rope of fielding a competitive team with the cap space they had left.” But cap space was never a factor in deciding how much to pay Anthony because Miami kept his Bird rights. His cap hold was only $1m, basically the same as an empty roster spot, so renouncing him made no sense.
Miami had to wait “2 1/2 weeks” because the order of signing matters. If they had signed Anthony before officially signing all their non-min free agents (e.g. Miller, Haslem) then his salary WOULD have counted against their cap. The deal with Anthony was already done, he just couldn’t sign it until the ink on those other contracts had dried.
July 17th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Mike
July 17th, 2010 at 3:58 am
“Guys, have you heard of a dude named Alonzo Gee, who is absolutely lightning up Summer League?”
Hey Mike, did you ever consider to think of the competition?
Gee gets a lot of his buckets in transition against a matador “D”, and still has a suspect jumper, particularly from long-range. Also, he’s not a particularly strong defender; Hairston has it all over him in this regard. He is athletic, and has some promise, but he’s not ready to solidify our SF spot at the NBA level, not if we intend to challenge.
doggydogworld
July 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am
“Lvmainman schooled you on this one because he understands the salary cap.”
The only thing lvmainman could school is you and a 5th-grader. He took a big fat guess on Anthony with no clear explanation, and got lucky, pure & simple. Anthony is a one-dimensional player, and for a team with so many holes to fill, it is not surprising that they took their time to look elsewhere before eventually agreeing to sign Anthony.
“You say the Spurs might have nabbed Anthony for 2m “given Miami’s tight-rope of fielding a competitive team with the cap space they had left.” But cap space was never a factor in deciding how much to pay Anthony because Miami kept his Bird rights.”
IF the Heat decided they DID NOT WANT TO sign Anthony, regardless of CAP SPACE, cap would have INDEED still been a factor in fielding the best & most cost-effective team. I understand the advantages of Bird rights, but that still DOES NOT mean that the Heat had their mind SET on bringing him back. WE DON’T KNOW THAT. They were obviously feverishly looking around to see if they could nail a cost-effective big with more versatile talent to stick into their top 8-man rotation and could not come up with a better option than to resign Anthony (taking into account what he brings to the table for them game-wise, plus the Bird rights advantages he brings in terms of cap space limitations).
“Miami had to wait “2 1/2 weeks” because the order of signing matters. If they had signed Anthony before officially signing all their non-min free agents (e.g. Miller, Haslem) then his salary WOULD have counted against their cap. The deal with Anthony was already done, he just couldn’t sign it until the ink on those other contracts had dried.”
That MAY have been the reason for the delay, but you simply don’t know that. It’s conceivable that they could have been looking for a better center, even though they may have been able to sign one LESS “ABOVE-minimum-type-salary” player. Also, the Heat were not yet at the cap limit when they signed Anthony, which seems to negate part of the advantage of Bird rights. However, at that point they finally had to accept that any other centers that they looked at were simply not going to work, either financially or fit-wise. Also, we or any other team could have upset the Heat’s obvious incentive of holding back on signing Anthony (regardless of the reason) by offering him a contract during that 2 1/2 week period. But we didn’t.
July 17th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
@ TradeTP
Take a deep breath and remember 2 things:
1. Basketball is just a game.
2. It’s July. Enjoy your life.
This concludes my interaction with you in regards to Bonner.
July 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Bonner is such a beast. Can’t wait ’till Spurs pick up Luke so the brothers can dominate the league. Oh, and they can make sandwiches between games.
July 17th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
That Big Guy- Whether basketball is at the bottom or top of our personal free time heirarchy is unimportant. Dont come with those weak posts about Bonner being legit.
I think Pop simply wants to have Bonner there for entertainment his last years. Or he is some sort of genius with a Bonner McDyess RJ trade… I hope for the latter.
You want to talk about class? How about firing a coach, tanking that year, winning with his team and then leaving the cupboard bare…. What a way to run a program. Classy.
July 17th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
This may be a stupid question, however, is anyone opposed to looking at Tmac if he signs for the vet min?
July 17th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Brian K, you’re right, Timmy isn’t the quickest cat around anymore, but he is one of the, if not the, most fundamentally sound players to ever play the game. Timmy knows basketball. Bonner knows how to shoot open threes and that’s it.
Dwight Howard, David Robinson, Lamar Odom, are all 6-10+ guys who could move it.
I guess I should have worded my post differently, so I apologize for that. What I really mean to say is, Bonner can shoot open three pointers, and that’s it.
He cannot play defense.
He has no midrange game, except that awful floater that makes me cringe.
He has no post up game.
But because he is 6-10 AND can shoot open threes, he’s in the NBA. Because some coaches, Pop especially, are in love with the “stretch 4.”
So if he was too short to be a “big man” he wouldn’t be in the NBA, because smaller guys need to be able to do more than just shoot open threes.
Timmy on the other hand, he’s a great passer, a great defender, he doesn’t bite on pump fakes because he doesn’t leave his feet. A lot of his blocks come while standing flat footed. He knows how to post up, he knows how to shoot (except FTs). So even if Timmy was only 6-6, he still would have made a great NBA player.
July 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Does anyone know what the deal is with Shaq? is he still considering coming to San Antonio? i still wouldnt mind seeing him in silver and black if he signs a small contract.
the only problem with shaq is that we need to focus on a perimeter defender and 3-point shooting and probably wont have money left for him
but still has anyone heard anything about him recently?
July 17th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
I kinda hate Matt Bonner. However if pop came into the locker room and said guys I need your left foot because it will help us win matt bonner would saw both feet off for the team. He might not have the body or the athleticism but he has the heart we need more of that.
July 17th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Anybody that actually watches Spurs Games and knows basketball know Bonner SUCKS!!! And thats the honest truth!! Look past that he has good character PLEASE
July 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
The hard truth is that Tim and Manu are not playing like they once were. So last year it really mattered when players we depend on Bonner, RJ, Mason and Finley would disappear.
TradeTP, your assessment of Bonner as a flake is more accurate than the plus minus stats.
TheBigGuy, Bonner is our #7 guy right now, will get more minutes than Blair for sure.
I was shocked when RJ went an entire season without any flashes of brilliance, only flashes of role player. I was more shocked when he opted out. I will not be surprised at his 4 yr deal
Bonner and RJ secure our mediocrity, because we know their ceilings and seem perfectly fine with their floors. No other team wiLl be dumb enough to trade fir them until their contracts expire.
July 17th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100608_jefferson.html
July 17th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
This comment is directed toward all the Bonner bashers, which seem aplenty in this forum. It seems apparent what you want is a player with more “skill.” A player who will score 15 points a game, average a double double, guard the opposing team’s best interior player, and shit diamonds. It at least seems you’d be unsatisfied with anyone who doesn’t.
Look, we have our core in place, Timmy, Manu, Tony, and G. Hill, all of whom will be the key players for the Spurs next season. The remaining players take a backseat, as they should, to the aforementioned players. If we were to get such a double-digit scoring player, likely one with an ego if he were to put up such stats, our Spurs would pay a large price. And I don’t mean in dollars.
I have always been of the school of thought that a team’s chemistry far outweighs a team’s collective skill. It isn’t a far stretch to claim in the years the Spurs won championships, they were not necessarily the most “skilled” team. Teams such as Phoenix, Dallas, and Portand, just to name a few, had far more “skilled” players than the Spurs. However, the Spurs ended up with the rings on their fingers. It is currently Dallas, Miami, and Chicago who are trying to beef their teams up with as much skill as possible to make a title run. I despise such teams. Remember when the Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton all on a team one year, by far the most “skilled” team of that season? The Spurs nearly beat them, and the Detroit effing Pistons embarassed them in five games. I love those teams who will their way to victory. Teams whose chemistry far outweighs their collective talents. A team, like the Spurs. Coach Pop and RC are also believers in such a school of thought, and in such a system it is important for a player to know his or her place. At this, Bonner excells. He is supposedly a great locker room guy, can in fact spread the floor, shoots only when he’s open, guards who he’s told to, and has a great attitude.
I think we should all sit back, relax, and realize who’s running the show. I, for one, have complete faith in someone who has constructed 4 championship teams.
Character does matter.
July 17th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
ChillFAN
July 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
“I was shocked when RJ went an entire season without any flashes of brilliance, only flashes of role player.”
I disagree. The SINGLE biggest reason we were so disappointed with RJ last year was due to our sky-high expectations of what we thought he would bring to the table. I am not trying to defend RJ, in fact, I think he got extremely frustrated and quit on us several times throughout the season. However, the playoffs were a microcosim of his season. Here is just a sample of his stat lines.
Game 1 Mavs: 1-4 FG 4pts 7 rebs
Game 2 Mavs: 7-12 FG 19pts 7 rebs
Game 3 Mavs: 2-3 FG 6pts 3 rebs
Game 4 Mavs: 6-9 FG 15pts 4 rebs
Game 1 Suns: 1-3 FG 5pts 3 rebs
Game 2 Suns: 8-13 FG 18pts 10 rebs
As you can see, when RJ was INVOLVED on the offensive end, he was a very good and efficient player. When the dude got 3-4 shots/game, he sucked. His problem (whether RJ’s fault or Pops fault) was that he was never consistently involved. One night he had 19/7 the next night he fades into the background. I believe (and hope) that most of these issues will be hammered out with more confidence and a year of Spurs ball under his belt.
Let me ask you this, Chill. When was the last time we had a SF who could get us 19/7 or 18/10 in big games? The answer: Stephen Jackson who a number on this blog still pine for. Before Jackson was Sean Elliot a Spurs legend. The fact still remains that RJ is the best SF (even after his WORST season since his rookie year) we’ve had in a long while. Don’t buy into the populist belief that RJ sucks or RJ is over the hill or RJ is whatever. RJ simply had a culture shock with the Spurs and never found his way.
I will freely admit that a $15.2 mill/year RJ is not a good player. His skills in no way justify that level of salary. However, if RJ is stuck signing with the Spurs for $6-7mil/year, then he could be a steal compared to the contracts dished out to other SF’s that have proven NOTHING in their career. (Examples: Travis Outlaw, Josh Childress, John Salmons)
With Manu and Tim getting older, the offense needs to be more and more turned over to other players such as Hill, Blair, Splitter (if he has the repertoire), and RJ. I do hope Pop allows the young guns (and RJ) to run the show at least during the early part of the year. We simply can’t afford any longer for RJ to go 1-3 every other night. This will take a paradigm shift for Pop, but we won’t compete if we simply have the Big 3 do the bulk of the scoring as they did during our championship runs.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:46 am
Brian- Character doesnt matter to a point. Im not saying we need thugs. But the fact is we are probably the weakest (in terms of intimidation) there is. We need some tough guys to play a defensive minded scheme and we have none. So shame on PoP for not getting the players or adjusting the system.
I dont want an all star for my 7th man, although it would be nice. What I do want is someone who ADDS VALUE every time he plays. Not some douche who could possibly hit a three. If Bonner doesnt score a three he is awful, when he does score a three he lets his man or others score, steal it from him or out rebound. It doesnt mean shit if he hits a three and he allows 4 points or 2 more possessions.
I agree with you about team chemistry, to a point. And I almost disagree with you about locker room presence. Sure Bonner would saw off his foot. He knows there isnt a way in hell another team would give him millions. So he has to do the stuff that no one else would do(problem in the NbA now = a lot of pussies).
Realistically none of the guys listen to him in the locker room anyway. Im sure he has a great attitude, but no way do the guys that are better than him (every) take his advice. They probably just laugh at him or ignore him.
Put it this way: If I wanted advice on how to be a better weightlifter I would ask the bodybuilder, not the 200lb overweight guy working the front desk.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:47 am
@ ChillFAN
I think you’re wrong about Bonner being #7 in mins played this upcoming season. Last year, Bonner was 10th on the roster in minutes played. Blair was 9th. But I don’t have a crystal ball, so I can’t do anything except just state that we shall see.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Hobson- in reference to RJ. It is TOTALLY POPS FAULT. Here is why:
Like I have been saying the whole year Tony’s ballhoggery kills players like Jefferson. Hes not a spot up shooter and gets caught in watch mode(like the others). It shouldnt take a basketball genius, like pop (lol), a whole season to figure it out.
Usage percentages in the playoffs clearly show that when plays are ran to/through RJ he can score. The times he produced nothing were his lowest USG%.
Either the PG needs to adjust his game, which wont happen. Or pop needs to change his scheme, never.
July 18th, 2010 at 7:32 am
tradeTP
July 18th, 2010 at 6:54 am
“Hobson- in reference to RJ. It is TOTALLY POPS FAULT.”
I have to believe you are largely right on this issue. Time after time, RJ was simply passed up during the game. It frustrated me to no end to see him put up 20/7 one night only to be followed by a 5/3 game. I agree RJ’s 3pt % sucked, but he shot a respectable 47% from the field last year, which is far from the chucker some said he was. The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.
Now RJ wouldn’t have solved the fact that we lacked a big to help Tim, had no consistent 3pt shooters, and had virtually no bench. In retrospect, we were a doomed team. However, Pop and the gang never figured out how to maximize the individual talent on the team. I don’t remember a game where virtually everyone contributed in a great win. We simply never clicked on all cylinders nor understood that we can no longer compete by the big 3 scoring 85% of our points. I do hope Pop and Tony come to this revelation before opening night. I see the Spurs as having a formidable mix of veteran and young talent this upcoming season. Let’s just hope Pop and Parker can figure out the most efficient way to leverage it.
July 18th, 2010 at 8:25 am
That Big Guy- Look at the playoffs he was 7 when it counted.
July 18th, 2010 at 10:38 am
@JimHenderson (from 4down thread): “Miami has a measly qualifying offer of a million dollars on the table for Anthony, AND THEY SIMPLY CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE THAN THAT!!”
Why can’t you admit you simply missed the boat on Anthony? It’s obvious to everyone else and your continued insistence to the contrary only destroys what’s left of your credibility.
“the Heat were not yet at the cap limit when they signed Anthony, ”
Wrong again. It’s simple addition:
43m - Wade/Bosh/James
8m - Miller/Haslem
1.9m - James Jones buyout
1.1m - Anthony cap hold
0.9m - Chalmers
2.4m - 0.48m cap holds for 5 empty roster spots
——-
57.7m
Actual cap is 58.044m, within rounding error. Also Miami may have kept another vet min cap hold like Rafer Alston or Jamaal Magloire, which would put them at 58.044 almost exactly. Anyway, Anthony was never available for $1m or $2m. The whole idea of wasting time on him is silly and the Spurs front office knew it all along.
July 18th, 2010 at 10:39 am
In other news, James Jones is staying with the Heat for the vet min.
July 18th, 2010 at 11:16 am
doggydogworld
July 18th, 2010 at 10:39 am
“In other news, James Jones is staying with the Heat for the vet min.”
Dogg, where did you get this info. I couldn’t find this anywhere. Surely he would rather take more money and playing time to come to SA…
July 18th, 2010 at 11:57 am
“The fact still remains that RJ is the best SF (even after his WORST season since his rookie year) we’ve had in a long while.”
That statement is FALSE.
While our championship years may have been marked by scoring droughts, I’d take a 30 year old Bruce Bowen any day.
I don’t particularly like our chances with RJ, and any system where Bonner is seen as an asset. However, we are all expecting a better Richard Jefferson in year two, and barring a trade, we aren’t gonna do better at SF. The main reason to watch anymore is to see the growth of our young guys.
July 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
td4life
July 18th, 2010 at 11:57 am
“That statement is FALSE.
While our championship years may have been marked by scoring droughts, I’d take a 30 year old Bruce Bowen any day.”
Far be it from me to besmirch Bowens reputation. We did win 3 rings with Bruce as a starting SF. With that said, let’s be objective for a moment. Bruce was essentially a one trick pony. I will admit that his one trick (defense) was a pretty big one, however, RJ in his best year averaged 22ppg, 7rebs, and 4 assists. Earlier in his career, RJ was also considered to be a very good defensive presence. I don’t think any objective person would agree that Bowen in his prime was better than RJ in his. RJ was (and hopefully still is) a better all around player than Bruce.
July 18th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
damn bad news, the heat re-signed james jones
http://www.nba.com/news/features/aldridge.2010.freeagency?ls=iref:nbahpt2
July 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
BTW, Doggy was right. The James Jones article just came out and apparently we have another front runner in Jones. Surely the Spurs offered him more than the veteran minimum and yet that’s all he took to go to the Heat. These players are making me sick. Where were all these good players willing to play for nothing when the Spurs were winning rings? Answer: looking for the biggest paycheck. Now we have money to offer and they are riding Legone’s coattails.
July 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
ThatBigGuy
July 18th, 2010 at 6:47 am
As you know, BigGuy, listing Bonner as 10th man in mpg. is a bit misleading. Bonner played just 1.8 mpg. less than our 7th guy, which believe it or not, was Keith Bogans.
tradeTP
July 18th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Hobson13
July 18th, 2010 at 7:32 am
I totally disagree. RJ played like an idiot half the time last year, regardless of what Pop did with him (and I’m certainly not saying Pop handled the situation perfectly). Did the role Pop had him in prevent RJ from playing tough, consistent “D”? No. Did Pop prevent him from crashing the boards more consistently? No. Did Pop cause RJ to unjustifiably complain about missing defensive assignments? No. Did Pop cause RJ to miss “clutch” 20 footers, even when getting sufficient touches? No. The fact is, RJ did a terrible job adjusting to being a 4th option. And by the way, Pop NEVER told RJ that all he was going to be was be a spot-up shooter from three, a la Bruce Bowen. The offense was NOT set up so that RJ’s looks were ONLY going to be spot ups from long range. That’s a myth. And by the way, part of the responsibility for RJ disappearing at times has to go to TP. He’s the MVP POINT GUARD!!
“The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.”
That’s easier said than done. We do have TD, Manu, and Tony on this team you know.
“I don’t remember a game where virtually everyone contributed in a great win. We simply never clicked on all cylinders nor understood that we can no longer compete by the big 3 scoring 85% of our points.”
I agree we should begin to rely a bit less on the big three, but it’s not like our offense was chopped liver out there as it was. We ranked 9th in offensive efficiency, 5th out of WC playoff teams as a 7th seed. And let’s face it, DEFENSE not OFFENSE is supposed to be our calling card. So really, our offense was okay as it was, and that was with two very unproductive role players in the mix on a nightly (Bogans, Mason). RJ just needs to play sharper on a more consistent basis as a third or fourth option.
““Miami has a measly qualifying offer of a million dollars on the table for Anthony, AND THEY SIMPLY CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE THAN THAT!!””
So, I overstated my case one time out of all the tens of thousands of words I’ve written on this blog, and that somehow suggests that my point is invalidated? I don’t think so. The fact is, we or anyone else could have forced Miami’s hand by putting an LLE offer on the table for Anthony 2 weeks ago. But no, we let them play their hand just how they wanted/needed to.
“Why can’t you admit you simply missed the boat on Anthony? It’s obvious to everyone else and your continued insistence to the contrary only destroys what’s left of your credibility.”
I did not miss the boat on Anthony. YOU and everyone else missed the boat on Anthony by claiming to KNOW that Miami was FULLY committed to Anthony all a long, despite the fact that putting an offer out on the table for Anthony early on would have put the Heat in an awful predicament, and that there was indeed a chance they would have ultimately balked on Anthony. In fact, why do you think Anthony is SO valuable that Miami was going to sign him no matter what? Why?! And as far as credibility, I have more credibility than the great majority of people on this blog, including you.
“Wrong again. It’s simple addition:”
Jones is only 1.5 million against their cap:
“Of the $1.86 million that the Heat are paying Jones for the upcoming season, only $1.5 of that will count against their cap space.”
http://www.peninsulaismightier.com/2010/6/29/1543972/heat-complete-buyout-of-james
It doesn’t make much sense to use a cap hold for the same guy you’re signing (1.1m, Anthony). Although they probably do have some cap holds on players that aren’t around anymore. Either way, it does not preclude other reasons for why Miami delayed the signing of Anthony (looking for better options at center for the right price, etc.). The fact is, we can’t be reasonably sure that they would have matched on Anthony at 2.0 to 2.4 million two weeks ago. They would have been put on the spot. Based on what we know now, chances are they would have matched, but in my view it would have been worth it to just make the offer at the time and see what happens.
“Anyway, Anthony was never available for $1m or $2m. The whole idea of wasting time on him is silly and the Spurs front office knew it all along.”
That’s completely ridiculous. And I never said 1 million. I said 2 million. I guess you think everyone in the league KNEW that Anthony, an extremely one-dimensional, limited player, was a 3 million dollar a year man instead of a 2 million dollar a year man. A guy that’s never made more than 825k and has shown minimal improvement during 3 years in the league at age 27? Yeah right! Just like everyone knew that Amir Johnson is a 7 million dollar a year man, or Wes Matthews is a 7 million dollar a year man, or Channing Frye is a 6 million dollar a year man, or ………. Also, it’s unlikely people knew exactly how much Miami valued Anthony, not just in terms of his game, but more importantly, his intangibles, for which Miami would know much better how to evaluate than anybody else. And how hard would of it have been to make an offer for him 2 weeks ago, when Miami was trying to cleverly keep their options open, and as much CONTROL as possible over their precarious financial/cap situation.? You said yourself that Anthony would have gone against their cap had they signed him BEFORE the others. Why not take a shot a forcing them to do that?
Also, Anthony is not the only defensive-minded “big” that we haven’t done anything with, but I suppose the “mult-talented”! Amundson is way out of reach too. He’s worth A LOT more than 2.0 to 2.4 million, right?! On the other hand, to you, he probably isn’t worth adding to the roster for any price. You’d rather have Bonner.
July 18th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Hobson13
July 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
“Bruce was essentially a one trick pony. I will admit that his one trick (defense) was a pretty big one,…..”
Actually, he had “one trick” on OFFENSE as well: He was a career 39.3% shooter from behind the arc. RJ is a better all-around player than Bruce, but not really as good of a fit for a Spur team that wins with DEFENSE. RJ’s a decent defender, but he’s no Bruce Bowen in this regard.
Looks like another guy is gone, James Jones. Does anybody have confirmation that we or anybody else even made an offer on Jones?
July 18th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5390603
“Jones accepted the $1 million veteran’s minimum this season, the newspaper reported. He will also be paid the $1.5 million buyout sum he is owed for the upcoming season. Jones, the Herald reported, had been offered the $6 million mid-level exception by the San Antonio Spurs.”
But we never had the MLE targeted for anybody else but Splitter?!?
July 18th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@Hobson, players still take less to stay with the Spurs. When we were a top contender free agents would sometimes take less to come here.
The Heat just paid James Jones $6m to buy him out of his old contract. He just signed a $1m vet min contract instead of a presumed $2.3m offer from the Spurs. So it’s 7m total this year vs. 8.3m. Maybe he’s being loyal or maybe he thinks significant playing time on a title team will add more than 1.3m to his value in future years.
This is one area where our depth hurts us. Raja Bell is confident he’ll get lots of playing time in Utah. James Jones will get lots of time in Miami. If they came here they might get Finley’d.
July 18th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@Jim ESPN is wrong. It happens. Other reporters say the Spurs offered the remaining part of the MLE, which is the most we have to offer at this point.
July 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
@ Jim
“Also, Anthony is not the only defensive-minded “big” that we haven’t done anything with, but I suppose the “mult-talented”! Amundson is way out of reach too. He’s worth A LOT more than 2.0 to 2.4 million, right?! On the other hand, to you, he probably isn’t worth adding to the roster for any price. You’d rather have Bonner.”
My interpretation of this paragraph is that you think we could have signed someone else for the $4 mil that Bonner got. I don’t think Bonner’s money could have been used for anyone other than Bonner. We were over the cap, so we couldn’t sign a free agent unless we used the MLE or LLE. We had his Bird rights, so we could sign him without using our exceptions. I’m thinking this makes the argument that we could have used the money elsewhere invalid, because we couldn’t.
If I misinterpreted wrong, please forgive.
July 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Jim Henderson
July 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
“I totally disagree. RJ played like an idiot half the time last year, regardless of what Pop did with him (and I’m certainly not saying Pop handled the situation perfectly).”
I don’t thing we totally disagree on this issue. I freely admit that RJ, at times, seemed to quit on the team. If he didn’t entirely quit, he, at the very least, lost focus. RJ has all the physical gifts to be a very good defender. He has no excuse for his results on the defensive end.
However, with that said, what the hell was his role on the offensive end? One night he’s an integral piece of the offense and takes 12-13 shots. The next night (against the very same opponent none-the-less) he’s virtually ignored and takes 3-4 shots. RJ can score and this kind of schizophrenic offensive scheme that went on the entire year no doubt played on his mind. Pop and Tony NEVER figured out what RJ’s role on the offensive end.
“And by the way, part of the responsibility for RJ disappearing at times has to go to TP. He’s the MVP POINT GUARD!!”
Precisely. This will piss some of the Tony fans, but this was a big reason why a contingent of Spurs fans wouldn’t mind seeing #9 in another uniform. True George Hill is no Parker, but Hill is actually young and dumb enough to get the ball into the hands of other scorers and get out of the way. Parker’s offensive gifts give him trouble with this idea.
““The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.”
That’s easier said than done. We do have TD, Manu, and Tony on this team you know.”
True, but it has to be done in order for us to have a chance to win. We have tremendous offensive potential in players like Hill and Blair and we all know that a 34yr old Duncan and a 33yr old Manu can no longer carry this team to the promised land without major help. Pop and Tony need to get the hell out of RJ’s way on the offensive end. I’m not saying RJ needs 20 shots/game, but he needs a minimum of 10-12.
“I agree we should begin to rely a bit less on the big three, but it’s not like our offense was chopped liver out there as it was. DEFENSE not OFFENSE is supposed to be our calling card”
You’re right. Our offense was the most efficient scoring machine the Spurs have had in a while. With that said, we have the talent to be top 5 offense in the league with more adjustments, better team chemistry, and more experience. I’d say 80% of our issues were on the defensive end and only 20% on the offensive end. We need to be a MUCH better defensive team than our last campaign.
“RJ’s a decent defender, but he’s no Bruce Bowen in this regard.”
At this point, RJ isn’t even close to Bowen on the defensive end. With Jefferson, however, his problems are mental. He has the physical gifts and athleticism to be very good. Let’s just hope he gains a greater level of focus and better understands the Spurs defense in his second year, if indeed he comes back.
July 18th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
It was said that pop spent this summer working out Rj. I think this was an attempt to show him exactly what his role is to this team.
July 18th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I was actually at some of the games and witnessed Jefferson and his teammates getting into it on several occasions (even TD). I think he quit, and as noted before is a big pussy, the games he wasn’t given opportunities to carry or at least co-carry the offensive load.
You’re both right that his defense blew for the most part. But to give him some credit, I promise you, he was not brought in the system to be a stopper as much as a scorer. Plain and simple.
As for the offense/defense thing. Its the same exact thing I have been griping about with Matt BOner. Parker’s D rating is worse than his offensive rating. Again you’ve heard me say this 10000000 times; if you score 40 and give up 41 you still lose.
So there it is, you either have to find guys that fit the system. This isnt Jefferson or Bonner if you still hang your hat on defensive presence. Or you change your scheme.
Parker is the “FINALS MVP” Henderson. Give it up. He got that because he scored with ease on Hughes, Snow, Gibson…. not seeing those guys in the finals ever again (let alone the 1st round).
1. coaching has got to get better
2. players have to get tougher
Maybe a year will do it. Maybe not. If we fail this year will everyone agree that POP is a fraud?
July 18th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I found the spurs next target steve novak 6-10
Weight: 240 shoots at 40% for his career. bonner made over.
July 18th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
OK, Im hoping that this is a misprint..
Came across this article today:
Jones accepted the $1 million veteran’s minimum this season, the newspaper reported. He will also be paid the $1.5 million buyout sum he is owed for the upcoming season. Jones, the Sun Sentinel reported, had been offered the $6 million mid-level exception by the San Antonio Spurs.
Spurs actually offered the mid level to this guy? These guys are funny, yet terrifying…
July 18th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
@ ballhog
You must not believe everything you read, lest you forget that the MLE was reserved for Splitter this year. ESPN isn’t always right.
July 18th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Change TP with Luol Deng
Both team win
July 18th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Woah Tradetp let me get this straight..
Pop needs to run the offence through RJ to make him effective!!!!????? Genius!
Tony’s ballhoggery (get a thesaurus buddy you need help), is the culprit for Richard Jefferson not being able to shoot the corner three and in general not having the basketball i.q to get a handle on the spurs schemes both Offensively and Defensively?
R.C & Pop didn’t bring him in here to carry the team and put pretty numbers on a box score. They bought him in here to be a reliable 4th option.
Heres a news flash…he fell off a cliff in terms of production. Apparently it was everyone else’s fault or as is the case in every one of your posts, it was Pops fault that RJ sucked. Closesl followed by Tony Parker…
At some point I think you’ve confused your goals with those of the franchise.
I.e you like to bend every post to hammer Pop, Bonner, and TP.
The franchise likes to get a 4th scoring option who is reliable…
which of these statements are you trying to go with here….Because they are not mutually exclusive.
Also calling Bonner a dipshit was outstanding. You really know how to class up the joint.
In final response to your question.
No if we fail in the finals this year I don’t believe Pop is a fraud, however I will believe for all eternity that you are a wanker.
July 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Wow, lots of intensity for mid July, I like it-there are probably 2 parts of every Spurs fan
The (1) part that is proud of knocking off the Mavs last year, and the (2) part that just wants to see the Spurs beat the Heat, Lakers and Celtics this coming year.
No one “hates” Bonner. The reason he and RJ are polarizing is that it is unclear if their defense hurts #(2) above. So forgive me if I’m not as giddy as the FO.
Hobs 13, good points. Lets see how the RJ thing plays out. The names you mentioned would not have been bad options: Childress, Outlaw, Salmons.
@That Big Guy, I guess since I saw BOnner come off the bench so quickly, I was penciling him in as a #7, not sure how will stack up in terms of critical minutes played this season. My point is he is not our #11 man, as you stated, but actually part of the 8 man playoff rotations Pop likes to use.
July 18th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
doggydogworld
July 18th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
“@Jim ESPN is wrong. It happens. Other reporters say the Spurs offered the remaining part of the MLE, which is the most we have to offer at this point.”
Yeah, I subsequently saw that other reporters got it right. 5.9 vs. 2.3 mil. was kind of a big mistake, but as you say, it happens.
ThatBigGuy
July 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
“My interpretation of this paragraph is that you think we could have signed someone else for the $4 mil that Bonner got.”
NO! I was just being sarcastic, suggesting that doggy would rather have Bonner’s OFFENSE for 4 million, than Amundson’s DEFENSE for 2 million. I KNOW THAT WE COULD SIGN BOTH, however, we know that having SIX bigs in a rotation is VERY uncommon, particularly when Bonner was just signed for 16 million to be our FIFTH big. I doubt our intention was to give him that contract to be our SIXTH big, or to trade him. It’s just not very realistic.
“We were over the cap, so we couldn’t sign a free agent unless we used the MLE or LLE. We had his Bird rights, so we could sign him without using our exceptions. I’m thinking this makes the argument that we could have used the money elsewhere invalid, because we couldn’t.”
I know that.
“If I misinterpreted wrong, please forgive.”
You’re forgiven!
July 18th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
I’m ambivelent about Bonner. He didn’t kill any of our MLE, so we grab him. Like Jim I’d welcome Amundson with open arms. Really feel like he is a valuable energy guy that always does positive stuff.
I will never understand this idea that Tonys a “selfish” basketball player. This ridiculous notion that PG’s are there to pass the ball and hit open shots when everyone else has had a turn belongs in the history books.
July 18th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Hobson13
July 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
“One night he’s an integral piece of the offense and takes 12-13 shots. The next night (against the very same opponent none-the-less) he’s virtually ignored and takes 3-4 shots.”
Well, your observation of RJ’s inconsistent play is correct, but the “reason” (that he was “virtually ignored”) is at least questionable, particularly if the “reason” for him being “ignored” is attributed mainly to Pop. The fact is, it is just as likely that RJ took himself out of flow of the action, or that the guards on the team could not figure out how to get him really involved in the offense on a consistent basis. But to be honest, I put it mainly on RJ. RJ simply did not play with confidence like he has in the past, and CONFIDENCE is HUGE in b-ball, as you know. Veteran, talented guys that have confidence on a nightly basis are usually going to figure out how to make their mark on that game, whether it’s scoring, rebounding, or defense. There were too many games where RJ had no to little impact on the game. RJ has to be willing to assume responsibility to better our team. If he feels like the guards aren’t getting him the ball in the right spots, he needs to demand that from his teammates. This guy’s a 9-year vet, former freaking all-star. He can’t allow himself to disappear into the woodwork just because his teammates don’t feed him the ball on a silver platter. Get cocky, get assertive, demand the ball, make plays at the defensive end & on the boards, and by all means, EARN your new teammates respect for God’s sake!
“Pop and Tony NEVER figured out what RJ’s role on the offensive end.”
That may be true, but it’s just as likely that RJ simply didn’t take a bull by its horns and run with it. He was too timid, too afraid to make a “mistake”, and he turned himself into a different player. I can tell you right now, Pop did not ask RJ to simply be a spot-up three point shooter a la Bruce Bowen. They had options in their offense for him (to utilize his strength at slashing to the rack, for example), but RJ was just too indecisive, too deferential, and did not act like the old, confident RJ. I do hold TP partly responsible, but I give him a partial pass because he was saddled with chronic pain and injuries the whole year (I know what that’s like!). Nevertheless, TP’s got to push RJ to be more aggressive, and make more of a special effort to get RJ involved early on, particularly in transition, which is a major strength in RJ’s game. Leadership is inherently a big part of a championship caliber point guard’s role. I’m confident TP will do a better job of this this year, but RJ has to be ready, responsive, and accountable.
“Pop and Tony need to get the hell out of RJ’s way on the offensive end. I’m not saying RJ needs 20 shots/game, but he needs a minimum of 10-12.”
You see, this is where we might have a “slight” disagreement. For me, the main thing is for RJ to be FULLY INVOLVED in the game on a consistent basis through proper preparation, aggressiveness, confidence, & effort. I really don’t have a set minimum number of shot attempts that I think is important for RJ to reach every game. I would however like to see an overall more consistent & balanced performance in ALL facets of the game, which of course, generally speaking includes “not having as broad of a range in shot attempts” (some games 4 attempts, other games 20). I’d like to see that range be much narrower on a consistent basis (e.g., generally between 8 & 15 shot attempts per game). But the main thing is that even when his shot attempts are closer to eight (or even below, on occasion), he has to be even better on “D”, he has to get himself to the line more, and he must be even better on the boards so that he’s almost always making a solid “impact” on the game.
“With that said, we have the talent to be top 5 offense in the league with more adjustments, better team chemistry, and more experience.”
I agree, but you also seem to agree that defense is more of a priority right now, and that’s not just for RJ, that’s everyone down the line. It’s our only chance at getting a crack at a WCF appearance.
“At this point, RJ isn’t even close to Bowen on the defensive end. With Jefferson, however, his problems are mental.”
That’s at least part of it. I agree that he has the physical tools to be better defensively than what he showed last year, and he’ll have to be for us to have a chance.
July 19th, 2010 at 1:21 am
wow, i spend a week in mongolia and look what happens.
relieved that we’ve finally signed splitter (and what a contract!), am ok with signing bonner, though less/year would’ve been nicer.
after reading up and watching some clips, i’m getting more excited about the upcoming season. if we can resign jefferson to a reasonable contract and get him to commit harder to defense, i think we’re pretty close to contention. maybe another wing or big who can soak up some minutes with energy and defense would do it.
tell bonner he needs more variety. call me back when he makes a good muffaletta.
July 19th, 2010 at 3:41 am
Bushka- Still dont understand basketball I see. Thats okay, you can still post here.
Obnviously your reading comprehension and analytical skills suck as well because anyone with a brain can read the numbers that state when Jefferson shoots more than 5 shots a game he is EXTREMELY more proficient.
And yes, tweedle-dumb, the PG position is meant for someone with an understanding of HOW to get his team involved. The PG position is about winning, not just scoring. Thats why Gilbert and Allen Iverson suck. The best players in the game can score and know how to set up their teammates to win. That has nothing to with waiting until everyone esle has a turn as much as it does with allowing the team to flow successfully.
Wanker? Really?
And yes, Matt Bonner is a dipshit.
July 19th, 2010 at 5:32 am
@ ChillFAN
Well, he was 10th in the regular season, but 7th in the post season, so we were both right-ish. The reason he jumped up in the post season was because Mason Jr, Bogans, and Blair’s mins all dropped off the table. You could make a case that Blair just wasn’t ready/trusted/tired to play big mins in the playoffs and that playing a known quantity (Bonner) was a safer idea than playing Blair, who was an unknown quantity in the playoffs. Of course, you could make the completely opposite case and say Blair should have played regardless, but hindsight is 20/20.
The reason I think Bonner is now the 11th man is because Blair is a year better and we now have Splitter, making Bonner our 5th big. At best he’s 4th, in front of Dice. This will cause his minutes to drop off the table. In this situation, there’s no way he can average more than 15 mins a game. I think Tim gets 25mpg, Blair and Dice each get 20mpg, and Splitter gets 25mpg. That leaves 6 mpg for Bonner.
Anyways, that’s my thought process for how Bonner will be 11th man.
July 19th, 2010 at 5:50 am
@TradeTP - “anyone with a brain can read the numbers that state when Jefferson shoots more than 5 shots a game he is EXTREMELY more proficient.”
RJ played in 81 games in the regular season. He took more than 5 shots in 74 of them. He shot 47.7% in those 74 games, vs. 46.7% overall.
This pattern is typical of players who are not the #1-3 scoring option. If they have a mismatch or hit a couple early shots they become the #1 or 2 option. By definition low FGA nights tend to come when they get shut down by a defender or simply have an off night. For an extreme example, in the playoffs Bonner hit 57% from the arc on nights he had more than 5 FGAs. In games with 5 FGAs or less he hit only 8% from the arc!
Of note, RJ’s two lowest FGA games were March 8 and 10, at 1-3 and 0-2. These were the first two games Tony missed after breaking his hand. Tony also DNP’d a 1-5 game on March 5 and played, but did not start alongside RJ, in a 1-4 game on April 9. Those who want to dump Tony and rely on our “pass first” guard George Hill at point might want to wonder why more than half of the games where RJ got “shut out” of the offense came in a five week span when Tony was injured.
What we really need from RJ is efficient three point shooting. In the regular season he was 32.6% from the arc in games with more than 5 FGAs vs. 31.6% overall. Neither number gets the job done.
July 19th, 2010 at 5:55 am
doggy- WRONG
The games that RJ shot 10+ times (36) he shot the ball over 52% and only scored less than 10ppg twice….
In addition those games that RJ was “shut out” others stepped up because of distribution. When Tony plays and he or Tim get shut out, the others dont get touches and in essence arent ready to produce.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:46 am
My mistake. I didn’t realize “more than five shots a game” meant 10+ shots per game.
July 19th, 2010 at 7:04 am
“Usage percentages in the playoffs clearly show that when plays are ran to/through RJ he can score. The times he produced nothing were his lowest USG%.”
Taking 5 shots a game was a generalization perpetuating my argument that Jefferson shouldnt be the 4th scoring option. The more shots he takes the better his percentages are. He is a scorer. Unfortunately for us, he cannot accept (and lacks efficiency) being the 4th guy. He was brought to the team to score. And he quit/threw a fit when he wasnt in that position. Im not saying that is right or wrong. But seeing the type of player Jefferson is/was (averages over 12 FGA) why you would try to place him in a system where he wasnt doing that? It ruins his game AND does not allow him to get to the line. Career low in that as well.
Again, back to coaching, if your guys strength is getting 10 shots per game and hitting 52% of them why wouldnt you do that? Especially when getting those shots makes RJ play D and rebound better?
July 19th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Why does is feel like we’ve had this same exact argument about Matt Bonner a dozen times? This is getting silly….
It seems some fans still smoldering from a frustrating season have decided to take it all out on Bonner.
Matt Bonner is an average NBA player on a good day, and many times less than average. But can we agree that he’s not the main reason the Spurs finished a disappointing 7th in the west? Or that he’s not the sole reason we were swept by the Suns? It’s simply unrealistic to think a role player who played less than 20mpg can tank a good team’s chances like the Spurs.
But after reading some of these posts (Matt Bonner is a dipshit? Really? That’s a little overboard.), you would think he’s some sort of cancer.
The hate Matt Bonner gets is totally unproportional to his impact on the actual games.
July 19th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Tyler
July 19th, 2010 at 9:44 am
I know you didn’t specifically direct your post at me, but I just want to reiterate that many of us are making more analytical & less emotional posts about whether the Bonner re-signing made sense to us. We don’t “hate” Bonner or feel the need to personally “insult” him. We simply don’t feel that he was worth 16 mil over 4 years to take up a potentially important rotation and/or roster spot on the team. We feel that there are/were other better options for our rotation (through MLW/LLE), players that maybe had more of a versatile game than Bonner, particularly defensively.
So, for examples of a “non-bashing” Bonner approach, see the following post on this thread:
Jim Henderson
July 16th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
…..and the following post on the “4-Down Episode 10…” thread.
Jim Henderson
July 15th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
P.S. Please realize that I know that we could re-sign Bonner, AND sign other players using the MLE/LLE, but that’s really NOT the point for me on this issue.
“It’s simply unrealistic to think a role player who played less than 20mpg can tank a good team’s chances like the Spurs.”
Not “tank” the team, but a 15-20 mpg. role player can ultimately be very important, and have an impact on deciding many games for the team.
July 20th, 2010 at 6:34 am
@ Jim
Understood. I just wanted to make the point that the personal attacks on Matt Bonner the person as opposed to the player are pointless and have no value. At that point, it just devolves into mud slinging. And for a blog as good as this one, I hate to see that.
July 20th, 2010 at 6:57 am
And seriously, has anyone looked around at the other blogs on the Truehoop network? This blog is by far, the most active in terms of commenters. Part of that has to do with the writers (which are great), but also the people that follow the blog.
Most other NBA blogs are lucky to get 20 comments on a single post, yet this blog is getting 100+ on just about every post! That tells me we’ve got some serious diehard Spurs fans. And for a guy who could talk basketball 25 hours/day, you couldn’t ask for much more.
July 20th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
@Tyler - that 100+ comments mostly come from pointless trade/FA signing scenarios and constant bitching & whining on coaching/certain players/FO. It’s something to be ashamed of being SA Spurs fans, not to be proud of - it just reveals how ignorant and classless we are as fans.
July 20th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Ian
July 20th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
That’s absurd. What do you find to be “meaningful” commentary? Always kissing the player & FO’s ass? No, silly & ignorant commentary is far more prevalent on other team’s blogs. All it takes is a brief spin around the NBA team blogoshere to recognize that fact.
July 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Ian
July 20th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
That’s crazy talk. Sure there is some bitching, but talking about free agent signings, trades, ways to improve the team etc. are all healthy conversation. Besides, what do you expect on an NBA blog, the intricacies of neo classical economics?
“It’s something to be ashamed of being SA Spurs fans, not to be proud of – it just reveals how ignorant and classless we are as fans.”
If you’re so ashamed of everyone here, why do you bother posting yourself? Look around the league, especially at the bandwagon heavy teams like the Lakers and Heat. Checking one of their blogs may give you an interesting insight into the minds of fans who are ignorant with regards to virtually every facet of NBA basketball.
July 21st, 2010 at 1:36 pm
@Hobson13 - if you think repeating the same stuff (in some cases completely irrelevant to the post) over and over again is a “healthy conversation” we obviously have a very different idea of what a “healthy conversation” is.
July 21st, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Ian
July 21st, 2010 at 1:36 pm
If you don’t like how the blog is handled or are uncomfortable with what is said, then I’m sure there are other Spurs blogs where you may feel differently. I know there’s some trash talk and nonsense in this blog, but I don’t appreciate you essentially painting everyone with the same brush. Besides, isn’t there an Amendment that says something about freedom of speach…
July 21st, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Ian
July 21st, 2010 at 1:36 pm
“…..if you think repeating the same stuff (in some cases completely irrelevant to the post) over and over again…”
Care to provide an example, and about how frequently such a post generally appears on a particular thread? Otherwise we’re left with guessing what it actually is that is troubling you about this blog.
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