Thursday, September 23rd, 2010...5:10 am
Spurs 2010 Training Camp Roster, so far
Training camp is right around the corner for the San Antonio Spurs, and the rest of the NBA. Thankfully for fans, that means the regular season — and actual basketball — is not far behind.
But before the regular season tips off, there are still questions to be answered. And we can expect most of those to be resolved in the next few weeks.
Below is the preliminary roster for the Spurs’ 2010 training camp, as no official word has come from the team yet. According to Ridiculous Upside, three non-roster players received invites to training camp this year: James Gist, Kirk Penney and Marcus Cousin.
- James Anderson
- DeJuan Blair
- Matt Bonner
- Marcus Cousin
- Tim Duncan
- Alonzo Gee
- Manu Ginobili
- James Gist
- George Hill
- Richard Jefferson
- Curtis Jerrells
- Antonio McDyess
- Gary Neal
- Tony Parker
- Kirk Penney
- Tiago Splitter
- Garrett Temple
James Gist is the most interesting invite to training camp, for me. With his size and athleticism, he’s got the combination to fill spot minutes as both a backup small forward and a 6th big man. Training camp this year is big for Gist.
Again, this roster is not official.
70 Comments
September 23rd, 2010 at 6:01 am
oh boy oh boy oh boy, it’s nearly upon us!! really looking forward to it all starting!
September 23rd, 2010 at 6:16 am
I can’t wait! I really hope Gist has improved from last year.
September 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 am
BBall time is coming baby. My season tickets arrive in the mail today!
September 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 am
Is Curtis Jerrell’s spot guaranteed? So it’s pretty much a tossup between Gist, Cousin, and Penney?
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:00 am
I’ve read there are still issues with Richard’s overseas contracts to allow him to play for us without a buyout first. This might be incorrect though.
To give people some optimism on Gist and refresh our memories, he and Jonas Jerebko played together for Angelico Biella. They both had similar builds so played a sort of dual stretch 3-4 4-3 combo and put up similar numbers. Jerebko was an all rookie second team player last year. Gist had better numbers than Jerebko that year in almost every category. He was slightly behind him on PF’s, Assists, and FT% but shot the 3 18% better, blocked twice as many shots, and scored 4 more points per game.
Gist hasn’t been a Spur because there wasn’t a place for him and we wanted him to get minutes. The Spurs never gave up his rights though which speaks volumes about what they think of him. With Hairston and Mahinmi gone, Gist is finally getting his turn.
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 am
@ Jaceman
Jerrells, Temple, and Gee are non-guaranteed. To me, the consensus is that Temple is a lock to keep his contract. Gee’s upside should have him keep his, but he’ll likely spend most of the year in Austin. Jerrells will be a late cut, and the Toros will claim him on region to retain him. They might promise him a Summer League spot next year and good chance at being on next year’s training camp so he can earn that extra money to reward him for staying in our system.
A Tony Parker trade during the season or TP leaving after the season could help Jerrells chances at making our roster next season. With TP, Hill, Manu, and now Temple, there isn’t space for him. Rumor is Neal has some limited PG skills too and can run the PnR.
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:15 am
Per Scott Schroeder at Ridiculous Upside (Best Source for D League info):
“I’m going to write it up later today, but I mentioned it in the Blazers post yesterday:
The Development League’s new allocation system allows for each D-League team to acquire the rights to 3 players cut from their affiliate’s training camp. With the Blazers bringing these guys into camp, assuming that they are cut and interested in playing in the D-League, they will be automatically be assigned to the Idaho Stampede instead of going through the draft/waiver process and potentially ending up on another D-League team.
So Cousin and Gist are property of the Toros if released and headed to the D-League, but Penney would return to the Sioux Falls Skyforce unless the Toros traded for him.”
This a great new rule this season and a nice first step for rewarding team’s who use the DL.
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:20 am
I believe Jerrel’s spot is a team option, so it’s make or break for him this training camp I would think.
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 am
Im waiting…well see soon.
September 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 am
Off topic question; how many games can the Spurs win out of the fisrt ten? These are the opponents: Indiana,New Orleans,LA Clippers,Phoenix, Houston,Charlotte,LA Clippers,Philadelphia,
Oklahoma City and Chicago.
I think they can go 8-2; losing to Phoenix and chicago.
Go Spurs Go!!
September 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am
@ ITGuy
They can win all ten. They probably won’t but they can.
@ OKC is the only second game of a back to back and 6 of the 10 are at home.
Phoenix is going through a major lineup change so we might catch them in team transition.
The Bulls will be a tough one.
Charlotte was one of the best home teams last season.
I think 7-3 is the worst we can do if the reports that Spurs are committed to winning early for playoff seeding are true. I like your 8-2 prediction.
September 23rd, 2010 at 8:34 am
Houston is going to be tough but we play at home, while the Thunder are on the road AND on the second night of a back to back…
6 at home, 4 on the road: I’d be happy to finish 7-3
September 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 am
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September 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 am
I think we are going to be surprised with how well the Spurs will play. We have more continuity on our roster than almost any of the teams. We know how to play with each other - not true of many other teams especially early in the season.
September 23rd, 2010 at 10:32 am
If interested you can watch some highlights of 6’11″ C/F Marcus Cousin at the Portsmouth Invitational in 2009 at the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TMrYHqo94
The video is a small sample size be he seems to have a nice mid-range shot which maybe useful in a 2 man game of pick and pop.
September 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
i like the prospect of gist joining our roster. he and james anderson can split time at sf, giving different looks in terms of swingmand to tweener post player. gist can also bring some hustle, shot blocking, and finishing ability. i see him being and amundson type player. we still need perimeter d….
September 23rd, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Gist seems to be the type of player that could give you a great game one day and then be off the next 2 to 3 games. His inability to play consistent has been his biggest issue. But in games where he performs well…he is lights out in multiple areas.
Hopefully this young man has grown up mentally to help him perform well consistently. His game certainly has shown a lot of promise when playing good.
Cousin is an intriguing invite in that he made huge improvements in his senior year and is that prototypical big that the Spurs like to have on their team that can defend as well as pop the mid range shot.
The Penney invite is loading yet another perimeter player on the team that has the tools to become a really good role player. The competition is going to be fierce for the back up 1 and 2 positions. But this is good as well. If anything…the Spurs will be able to keep the best out of all the young 1-2 2-1 players on this team.
I like Garrett’s game a lot. He’s a very versitile player. Jerrells would do best on an up tempo team. (Hence I’ve mentioned him a lot in trade scenarios that might involve the Knicks, Bucks or Nuggets).
Out of the young players…I believe Splitter, Anderson and Blair would be the only shoe in’s for this team. While Garrett, Gee, Jerrells, Penney, and Gist will all be vying for the 14th or 15th roster spot. And that could all change as well depending on how well Cousin plays knowing the Spurs could still use a cheap 6th big on the team more so than a bench fodder perimeter player.
September 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
ITGuy
September 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 am
“Off topic question; how many games can the Spurs win out of the first ten?”
Best case, probably 7-3. Highest potential losses: Suns, Bulls, Rockets, OKC
September 23rd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Write-up from Draft Express last year on Cousin. This guy is certainly a L O N G shot at making the roster, but he does appear to be the “type” of player that “could” help as a 6th big, since he has size & shot-blocking ability (weak-side). Since we lost Dwayne Jones, perhaps he’d be worth a longer look in Austin?:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Portsmouth-Invitational-Tournament-All-Second-Team-3183/
September 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Too bad it can’t be DeMarcus Cousins instead of Marcus Cousin.
September 23rd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Supposedly Thomas Gardner has an invite to camp as well:
http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA
Not sure what the Spurs see in this guy.
September 23rd, 2010 at 2:08 pm
OMG OMG OMG OMG, i just peed a little….bring on the season! Go Spurs GO!!!
September 23rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
i cant wait the season…SPURS TIME BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
September 23rd, 2010 at 2:58 pm
SPURS THE BESTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
September 23rd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Penney is the goods - outside he is an absolute killer, but can drive to the hoop and finish. Won’t have the athleticism of the others, but has the basketball IQ to compete and the determination to give it 120% even if the 15th guy on the roster in practice every day. He’s been the Kobe Bryant of the Aussie league for the last two years and dominated good defences at the World Champs in 2010 and 2006. Plus since giving up Sean Marks Spurs are low on the kiwi quotient - have they won a title since Marks left?
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
I thought Wilkerson looked better than Gist in Summer League. He signed in Israel (I think) but has an out if he makes the Spurs roster. I definitely expect to see him in camp, unless I’m missing something.
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
isn’t best case 10-0?
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Seems like last year’s training camp was huge for Gist, and he flopped. With his 7’4″ wingspan and the fact he’s been in the system for a couple years now it could be his time.
I want this guy to succeed so badly. If he could get his mental game together: him and Blair could form a great bench front-court for years.
I don’t know much about Cousin, but if he’s almost 7′ and has any sort of mid-range game I’m intrigued.
Temple is going to be the next Devin Brown (Roadrunner shout-out). He plays defense/shoots the 3 better, much better, but is a worse rebounder and not as offensively talented. I think Temple could hang around this team for the next 5 years.
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Wilkerson had some nice games and “highlights”. Gist played better all around though. And to be fair, did not play in the last 3 games due to injury.
September 23rd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
BlaseE
September 23rd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
“isn’t best case 10-0?”
Technically yes, but it’s entirely unrealistic. The odds are probably at least 25 to 1 against. I would bet $100 with the risk of losing $2,500 that we don’t start off 10-0. In fact, I’m pretty sure the Spurs have “never” started off 10-0, even during their championship years.
I just went and did a quick check. I looked at our opening record for every year the team won 50+ games during the past 21 years (an amazing 18 times!). The best the Spurs have ever started a season during this stretch is 8-2.
In my view, realistically, “best case” is 7-3 this year, which would be a really nice start (4-6 last year, 5-5 the year before).
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
im from new zealand
and im telling you guys Kirk Penny can flat out shoot. he should make this team, which he should, in my opinion. Spurs need a shooter and this guy doesnt need any help. he a seasoned vet that knows how to put the ball in the hoop. as he proved at the world champs early in the year .
good luck penny
September 24th, 2010 at 12:52 am
Penney is strong on the arc.. has a cool head on him, but will need good screens to set his shots..
Only weakness is his D.
September 24th, 2010 at 4:53 am
@ Phife
Gist has never been to training camp because if we invite him and cut him, we lose his rights. We’ve been playing him in Summer League, but not training camp to my knowledge.
This year is really do or die for him with the Spurs. Although with the rule change, we can cut him and have his rights dropped to the Toros.
September 24th, 2010 at 4:58 am
@ Jim Henderson
Fair point, but even with what you wrote best case has to be 9-1.
To you, what would be a realistic worst case? I’m thinking 3-7…maybe 4-6…
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September 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am
I know this is a bit off point, but rumor has it that Carmelo may be heading to the Nets instead of the Knicks. If that’s the case, it might make a Parker trade to Knicks much more possible. I’m not saying we should ABSOLUTELY trade TP, but the Knicks do have young pieces that would tempt the Spurs. Furthermore, after striking out on Lebron, Bosh, and now possibly even Melo, it would stand to reason they would come hard after Parker. Again, I’m not saying we must trade TP, but if the season doesn’t begin successfully or he doesn’t sign an extension, we will probably see a ton of Parker to NY rumors.
September 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
@Hobson13
What realistically could we get from NY that they would be willing to give us?
Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari?
I cant see NY letting go of too many prospects…
September 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
BlaseE
September 24th, 2010 at 4:58 am
“Fair point, but even with what you wrote best case has to be 9-1.”
Why 9-1? Of all the great teams we’ve had for more than two decades we’ve NEVER had a team start out better than 8-2. Thus, 9-1 can only be considered the best “fantasy” case this year, but certainly not a “realistic” best case.
“To you, what would be a realistic worst case? I’m thinking 3-7…maybe 4-6…”
Realistic worse case is probably 4-6, because our opening schedule is not particularly strong, and I think that we’ve only had one team start below 4-6 (3-7) over the past two decades.
September 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
DieHardSpur
September 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Parker & Bonner
For
Felton, Chandler, & Turiaf
Contracts off-set. Felton is a solidly in-prime good point guard; Chandler has more upside left in my view than some believe (great length, can improve jumper w/range); Turiaf is a perfect 5th big role player to compliment our top four big’s. Of course, if we could get Randolph and/or Galinari instead of Turiaf and/or Chandler that would be preferable. But if NY doesn’t get Melo, they’d be less likely to give up those two, particularly Galinari. We could have a shot at getting Randolph, although making the salaries offset within league rules might be problematic, particularly if the deal is done before the trade deadline with existing salaries as opposed to a sign & trade deal after the season.
September 24th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Diehard, I think it would be VERY difficult to convince the Knicks to give us Gallinari. They think he is their franchise savior and the next Dirk. I think he’s special, but not THAT special. Also, with the long term RJ signing, I doubt Galli would be fully utilized. Any trade involving the knicks would have to involve them trading Raymond Felton, their newly signed PG. That would work for both teams. We can get a decent, young PG (at a relatively cheap price, I think) and they unload a bit of salary to get them farther under the cap.
The real question is what other piece(s) would make this deal work for both the Knicks and Spurs. The Spurs would probably like Gallinari, Randolph, Azubuike, or Chandler, roughly in that order. The Knicks would be willing to part with Chandler, Azubuike, Randolph, or Gallinari, roughly in that order. Here is the trade I could see as most possible:
Knicks get: Parker
Spurs get: Felton, Randolph
The Knicks would get their sidekick star for Amare. The Spurs would get a decent PG and a great young PF in Randolph who can take the place/minutes of McDyess after this season.
September 24th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Jim Henderson
September 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I’d go for that trade. Especially if we could get out from under the stupid Bonner contract. I’d rather have Randolph, but salaries would be difficult to match up.
September 24th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
I WOULDNT TRADE TONY PARKER FOR ANYBODY ON NEW YORK KNICKS,WE WORTH MORE THAN WHAT THEY CAN GIVE UP
September 24th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
All the best to Kirk Penney.Awesome outside shooter,excellent thinker and a big NZ fan base.KIA KAHA.
September 24th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Hobson13
September 24th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
“Knicks get: Parker
Spurs get: Felton, Randolph”
The main problem with that one is that the salaries don’t properly offset, unless perhaps they would if we did a sign & trade AFTER the season ends.
September 25th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Penney won’t play D-League.
He has a contract in the Australian NBL with the NZ Franchise (Breakers). He’ll head back if he gets cut from training camp.
This is a great opportunity, the dude can easily knock down 20 -30 points a game in any league. He is a pure shooter who will thrive in a team where he doesn’t have to be the go to guy, but still knock down decent numbers. If he is seen as no 15/16 in the rotation… what a way to waste his prime. But I think he’d leap frog soon enough. Good luck to him.
September 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Why is there always so many bloggers saying trade our stars for near nothing when they know it never has happened and never will? It’s a study in human nature. I think it’s some form of mental illness and we should pity them.
September 26th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Hi All,
Kirk Penny is NBA ready now ! He is a professional who also has NEVER had an off court incident of any kind. These days that’s important. and as far as shooting goes…When he gets his shot ,(some pun intended) I think they will have to make room for his talents. He will be very good for the Spurs on and off the court. He was the second leading point getter behind only Durrant , at the world champs….Kirk Penny is 6 foot 5 inches tall.
September 26th, 2010 at 12:56 am
anonymous
September 25th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Care to elaborate?
September 26th, 2010 at 5:58 am
They are going for it this year so they won’t trade an allstar for players for one who may not play much anyway. Only memphis’ Randolph would even play much if that’s who you mean, I can’t find a Randolph on N.Y.. The Spurs have so many b+ players that may become a- who ever you are talking about would wind up behind them in the pecking order, anyway. Trading Parker for those would infuriate most fans.
September 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Kirk Penney definetly deserves a decent shot in the NBA, he’s proven he can score, shoot the 3 and drive the lane, any NBA team should be looking at him, he”ll be a 10+ppg player off the bench plus throw in a few assists and rebounds you got yourself a solid contributor. Don’t no why he wasn’t been picked up years ago. Good fit for the pistons
September 26th, 2010 at 11:20 am
anonymous
September 26th, 2010 at 5:58 am
You haven’t heard of Anthony Randolph, a 21 year old 6’11″ PF with tremendous upside?!
2 yr. career stats per 36 minutes:
16.9 ppg., 11.1 rpg., 2.4 bpg., 1.3 spg.
Felton is the 26 year old, former lottery pick (#5), and very solid point guard in this league.
Career stats:
13.3 ppg., 6.4 apg., 1.4 spg.
The 27 yr. old Turiaf is an excellent, high character back-up 4/5 that would be an excellent compliment to our front line, particularly because of his shot-blocking prowess, as exemplified in the following career stats per 36 minutes:
11.1 ppg., 7.9 rpg., 2.9 bpg.
The 22 year old Chandler also has significant upside remaining, and could be our SF of the future. In the meantime he would be an excellent back-up for RJ, and could even fill in as a 6’8″ SG on occasion. His career points & rebound avgs. are as follows:
13.4 ppg., 5.1 rpg.
“They are going for it this year so they won’t trade an allstar for players for one who may not play much anyway.”
First of all, the trade could not occur until after December 15th, and up until the trade deadline in February. If the Spurs were not doing well at that time the trade could be considered, or might not even be looked at until the end of the season. And second, if the deal were to happen, any 3 of this combination of players would see considerable action on the Spurs. Felton would be our starting PG; Randolph would be a top four big, with a very good shot at being a future starter (and probably has a higher potential peak than Splitter or Blair); Chandler would be our back-up SF, getting at least 20 mpg, and could very well be a future starter; and Turiaf would be a great complimentary 5th big that would see 12-18 mpg.
“Why is there always so many bloggers saying trade our stars for near nothing when they know it never has happened and never will? ….I think it’s some form of mental illness and we should pity them.”
What we should “pity” are those poor, “anonymous” souls that don’t have a clue.
September 26th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
cousin is going to be the interesting one…this guy has had issues in the past and that doesnt fit the spurs mo.but he can get over those issues he would be a great pickup.
September 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Sticking in all those new players into the system and dropping out many of the hopefuls who have learning how to play in the system ain’t going to happen any time soon, you know that yourself. Now, in the very unlikely event that the Spurs get a terrible start, Parker plays poorly and the hopefuls like Anderson, Neil, Penny , Gist, Bonner or which ever other ones make the team instead, also play badly and need to be replaced by such personage as you’re advacating , which are then proving to be playing well instead, N.Y. ain’t going to do the deal anyway. Jim why are you and others like you not fans of the Spurs players but fans of N.Y. players. Maybe Popovich could take yo’rn and beat his’n or he could take his’n and then beat yor’n but more likely the Spurs will continue to beat them with I’rn instead of yo’rn. I wish you and your Knickerbockers well.
September 26th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
watch out for penny, the guy was a machin ein the fiba world chapms playing with a young new zealand side. he held his own and domianted rubio and co. I think giv ethis guy some time and he will be the spurs go 2 man off the bench.
September 26th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Teach penny how to fit in the team defense concept and he will likely contribute positively. The good part of it is they can get him for a song and remember at this point they are paying new players double. Not being unpatriotic I like furan players. I’t's a Spurs trademark. We are all God’s children and citizens of the world. I hope someone don’t report me for abuse and get me throwed off of here. I am sure I made alot of people mad but that’s a relative term since they are mad anyway(crazy insane). Forget freedom of the press and of speech. Make my day. Throw me off here.
September 26th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
I know you guys don’t like trade ideas, but wouldn’t it be cool to get the following players: Nene and Derrick Favors (maybe Timmy’s future replacement). We’d have to give up Tony, McDyess, Tiago, James Anderson, Alonzo Gee (or maybe Curtis Jerrells) , and a couple of draft picks.
But Nene, Favors and the addition of a hungry, if somewhat overweight, Baron Davis might just push us over the top in the west. In Favors, we get someone the front office truly coveted for the future of the Spurs. In, Nene we get a proven NBA Center. In Baron, we get the wild card, but hopefully he’d be willing to work under a great coach in a great organization in order to win a title.
I know almost no one wants to lose Tony from the team, but if we have a better chance of giving Timmy another chance at a title, shouldn’t we do it? As for Tiago, even though I think he could be a great NBA center, I think the front office just might have been willing to trade his rights this past summer to get Derrick Favors.
If you’re interested in a breakdown of the teams and players involved in such a trade, please use Trade ID# 5702959 at RealGM.com to see all the parties at my proposed party.
September 26th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
anonymous
September 26th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Number one, the Spur “system” wasn’t built for “rocket scientists”. RJ’s problems were HIS problems, not the alleged esoteric nature of the “system”. That is a myth. Also, we already have a few “new” players this season, but I’m not worried that their brains are going to fall out onto the floor of the AT&T center. I just hope some of them know how to get the job done — period!
Number two, Parker may simply prefer to move on after this season. He knows Duncan’s days are numbered, and he and his “stylish” wife may simply feel it’s the right time for the bright lights of NYC. As a result, I’m providing realistic options to consider if TP is going to leave. And the fact is we still need to acquire additional young and talented players at SF & the 4/5 spot to be competitive longer term, and TP is by far our most valuable & realistic trade piece at present. I’m not interested in just the next couple of years (the so-called TD window). I’m interested in the long-term health of the Spur franchise.
Number three, calling me more a fan of the Knick’s than the Spur’s is both puerile and pathetic.
And finally, can you do me a favor and translate the following gibberish into english:
“Maybe Popovich could take yo’rn and beat his’n or he could take his’n and then beat yor’n but more likely the Spurs will continue to beat them with I’rn instead of yo’rn.”
Thanks!
September 26th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
being from NC I have heard of Felton. Now I will intertret some NC giberish. He {Popavich}could take yo’rn and beat his’n. Or he could take His’n and beat yor’n. These are called contactions. It”s what the language you are trying to speak came from. In your knicks Yankee language it is interptreted as he could take your’s and beat his or he could take his and beat your’s. You Yankee’s just require more letters to say the same thing. but that’s ok . I want you to understand.
September 26th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
After farther thought, I believe not even Coach Pop could Yor’n and beat His’n.
September 26th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
anonymous
September 26th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
“These are called contactions.”
I’m sorry, but “contaction” is NOT a word.
Neither are these “contractions”: his’n yo’rn
“You Yankee’s”…….
Aren’t (yes, that’s a “contraction”) most U.S. citizen’s down South past this anachronistic, “Civil War” era inspired vernacular? After all, it is the 21st century.
……..just require more letters to say the same thing. but that’s ok.”
Actually, all “we Yankees” require is for sentences, spelling, and punctuation to be grammatically correct. After all, that’s just a basic requirement that allows effective and efficient communication to be carried out among citizen’s of a country.
“……In your knicks Yankee language it is interptreted as he could take your’s and beat his or he could take his and beat your’s.”
First of all, my “Knicks Yankee language” is actually the “English language”. And second, even if it were true that with your “hieroglyphic” (I’m being facetious, not literal!) explanation I could guess the literal interpretation of this language that you use, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL POINT THAT YOU’RE TRYING TO MAKE?!
If I had to guess it would be that most trades don’t make sense to you because you simply don’t have a detailed enough understanding of player personnel around the league, nor about what it entails to put together a TEAM that can effectively compete over the short & long term. As a result, you see “good” players as basically interchangeable, so you’d prefer to stick with player(s) that you “like”, and are a “fan” of over players that you don’t know and aren’t familiar with.
How did I do?
Oh, and by the way, could we drop the antiquated “Southern” jargon? The 48MOH blog is really not the greatest forum for it. It makes it more of a chore to have substantive & meaningful dialogue.
“Why is there always so many bloggers saying trade our stars for near nothing when they know it never has happened and never will? It’s a study in human nature. I think it’s some form of mental illness and we should pity them.”
Finally, keeping your amateur “Pop” (pun intended) psychology to a minimum would be greatly appreciated. I’m afraid your diagnostic zeal and faux compassion could easily be misinterpreted, and in fact might even offend some of the regular patrons.
September 27th, 2010 at 4:35 am
Yes, all let’s not resurrect the Civil War here. Broad brushing about Yankees and Southerners isn’t a help to anyone.
September 27th, 2010 at 5:59 am
It was an attempt at humor that you seemed to find more disturbing than funny. This is not a comedy forum. I have limmited knowledge about players around the league and find your fantasy league type discussions boring but I will defend your right to bore me, I don’t have to read it anyway unless I want. I sincerely want that what best for the Spurs and even with my limited knowledge, have a philosophy more in line with the front office and far different from your own and I hope I will remain free to express it. I am predudice against alot of peoples, groups and actions but the people of the northern USA are not among them. For those people and activities that I am predudice against, I have learned alot of political correctness but be used to keep from getting throwed off of here. I done been throwed off of here once for about a year and for the Spurs sake I don’t want that to happen again. It could have cost them the Chanpionship last year. I tried to warn Ginobili about wearing that glaring white bandage but they wouldn’t let me post. I fear what might have happened to Coach T, Alk, Greggersomething , and even Axgrinder, Big Al Stud and some other regulars because I haven’t heard from them lately. I am hopeful they can return since they seem to observe a degree of said political correctness. So for all those offended by my attempts to express my sincere opinions in what I find to be a more interesting and helpful way than some of the other postings here,I am sorry. I have found that freedoms of the press and speech and other libertys that we enjoy on the street must take a backseat to political correctness even if the readers and the Spurs have to pay the price.
September 27th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
anonymous
September 27th, 2010 at 5:59 am
“It was an attempt at humor that you seemed to find more disturbing than funny.”
Implying that someone must have a “mental illness” and should be “pitied” because they happen to have a more sophisticated understanding of the game than you does not represent a reasonable attempt at humor, but rather a crude effort (even if unintentional) to lower the status of an opponent that expresses a difference of opinion.
“I done been throwed off of here once for about a year and for the Spurs sake I don’t want that to happen again. It could have cost them the Chanpionship last year. I tried to warn Ginobili about wearing that glaring white bandage but they wouldn’t let me post.”
If I didn’t sense a seriousness in the above excerpt I would find it utterly laughable. NO individual post on here has ANY real or direct effect on the Spurs fortunes as a franchise, which includes decisions made by their “training staff”. Talk about “fantasy” trade discussions? Please!
“I have found that freedoms of the press and speech and other libertys that we enjoy on the street must take a backseat to political correctness even if the readers and the Spurs have to pay the price.”
Nobody has any interest in censoring people on this blog. The blog’s creators make an effort now and then to keep the blog “clean”, and not too acrimonious, but they certainly don’t unnecessarily restrict a free flow of ideas and viewpoints. And for the most part, I don’t see anything appreciably untoward in your remarks. But because this is a “sports” blog, it only makes sense to stay away from politics and anything with even mildly racial connotations, or unusually insulting language (e.g., “mental illness”). It’s just not the proper forum.
I objected to your use of “Yankee” for two reasons: (1) It was ineffective in making your point; and (2), it unnecessarily gets “personal” by raising the specter of racial & regional differences that do not serve to advance the discussion at hand, and could indeed offend or incite some people.
And I objected to your use of the “Southern” vernacular (e.g., his’n, yo’rn) simply because it is generally an ineffective communication device in the 21st century for a large majority of the U.S. population, including for most of us that frequent this blog. I don’t have a personal objection that you use such lingo, but it will detract from your ability to make as effective of a contribution to this blog.
September 27th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
SA-eric
September 26th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
“I know you guys don’t like trade ideas, but wouldn’t it be cool to get the following players: Nene and Derrick Favors (maybe Timmy’s future replacement). We’d have to give up Tony, McDyess, Tiago, James Anderson, Alonzo Gee (or maybe Curtis Jerrells) , and a couple of draft picks.”
In my view, you’re giving up too much for Nene & Favors. Favor’s is still unproven, and Nene is not an all-star.
September 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Spurs would be mad to pass up on Kirk Penny, this guy has been a leading scorer in the Australian league for 3 seasons, he was the 2nd highest scorer at the world champs behind KD. Dude can flat out play, he can drive to the hole, he has a pull up J, his outside shooting is off the hook and his ability to find the open man is very good. Spurs are nuts if they dont sign this guy!!
September 27th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Steiny
September 27th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
The problem is we have too many guards already. We’d have to waive somebody, or plan to use Neal or Anderson in Austin? Penny is a solid player for Australia, and probably deserves a spot in the NBA as much as any perimeter player in Europe, but what adjustments to our currently signed players/roster do you make? We certainly don’t need 4 SG’s and 2 combo guards on the active roster. Don’t you agree?
September 28th, 2010 at 4:05 am
If Penney proves to be better and more reliable than other 2 guards on this team why would the Spurs worry about what to do with those he proves to be better than?
I would suspect the goal of the team is to keep the best players at their disposal during training camp on the roster for the regular season.
September 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
rob
September 28th, 2010 at 4:05 am
“If Penney proves to be better and more reliable than other 2 guards on this team why would the Spurs worry about what to do with those he proves to be better than?”
We’ve already given Anderson & Neal guaranteed contracts to give us the same thing that Penney ostensibly would give us (as the 3rd & 4th SG!). Why would we want to pad our payroll unnecessarily? Does anyone truly think that Penney is that much better than Anderson & Neal to justify adding him to our roster? It’s not like Penney is an unknown quantity. He’s 30 years old and has been playing high-quality ball for Australia for years. I’d rather spend the salary (we’re right at the luxury tax line) on areas of need, like SF or even a 6th big. And as I said, “unproven NBA talent” to fill a 3rd/4th spot at SG is not a top need of ours.
September 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Jim Henderson
“Does anyone truly think that Penney is that much better than Anderson & Neal to justify adding him to our roster?”
I can’t tell you what to think and we don’t know until training camp begins and preseason has started who the better player(s) may be. But if a player comes into the team and performs better than even a “guaranteed” player already on the roster…I think the Spurs would find a way to trade such a player or even let that player sit if a player proves to be better than named player. And I don’t think named player would be Anderson who I think in this situation might be asked (and trained) to play SF.
And if that be the case…there would be no need to sign another SF as b/u.
Sometimes you just have to let things play out with who you have before jumping into a decision of who you don’t have. And I believe this staff feels they have a lot of intangibles they have to view first before making another decision on who they don’t have because they just might have a good combination to use with who they do have.
Give SOME credit…or at least some leeway to the staff at who they’ve brought in before assuming what they’ve done ISN’T what’s best for the team at this time.
September 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
rob
September 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
“But if a player comes into the team and performs better than even a “guaranteed” player already on the roster…I think the Spurs would find a way to trade such a player or even let that player sit if a player proves to be better than named player. And I don’t think named player would be Anderson who I think in this situation might be asked (and trained) to play SF.”
It would help if you could flesh this thinking out a bit more with some details. I’m just trying to come up with some specific reasons why it makes sense to bring Penney in as opposed to bringing in other players that could fill a position of more need (at least from my purview), like SF, or a 4/5.
“Give SOME credit…or at least some leeway to the staff at who they’ve brought in before assuming what they’ve done ISN’T what’s best for the team at this time.”
I’m sure the staff has their reasons for bringing Penney in (we could speculate on that), and I’m not “assuming” otherwise. I’m simply stating that I don’t really understand the logic, given that we’ve already committed guaranteed money to a very similar player (Neal), and the fact that we already have about 85-90 minutes (out of 96) committed to three players at the two guard positions (TP, Hill, Manu), not to mention our number one pick, (Anderson), who’s natural position is at the SG. So if I were to “speculate”, it’s possible that the Spurs are not entirely confident that Neal can get the job done as a reserve SG in case of injury. And as stated previously, to me it just seems like it would make more sense to bring in a legitimate guy for a 6th big, like Boone or Mbenga, for example (Cousin is obviously an Austin consideration). As far as a SF, bringing in Bobby Simmons does make sense to me. He and Jarvis Hayes were on my list as available possibilities for a veteran to fill our back-up SF role. I hope he shows flashes of his old self.
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