Antonio McDyess’ retirement decision: To be continued

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It’s not quite last year’s Decision, is it?

Right about the time the Collective Bargaining Agreement expired and free agency was supposed to begin, Antonio McDyess’ contract had a deadline. If he had not retired and been waived by the Spurs, he was set to receive his full $5.2 million salary for the 2011-12 season. If he had chosen to retire, the Spurs were going to waive him and give him a nice, $2.5 million gift.

But with the NBA locking out the players and no clear picture as to when next season will actually start, McDyess and the Spurs agreed (before the lockout) to extend the deadline to decide what to do with McDyess’ contract. The new deadline to decide Dice and the Spurs’ future plans is now the first day of free agency. I’m assuming the end of the first day, I doubt both sides would pick a random time in the afternoon for a deadline.

Free agency won’t start until the new CBA is agreed upon and signed by both the NBA owners and the players union. So this gives Dice ample time to rest his 36-year-old body and figure how much more punishment it could take. Truthfully, when he got elbowed in the back of the head against Memphis in the playoffs it looked like he deicded he was done right then and there, but here we are.

If the NBA season is shortened, like in 1999 when the Spurs won their first title, I would expect a high probability of McDyess returning for his 15th season. That, I believe, is the point of this delay, to see how long next season actually is. If it’s a short season Dice’s body should be able to stand up to the wear and tear.

With the Spurs salary cap situation this summer, and no certainty to what it will look like when the CBA finished, Dice returning for another season could be a blessing for the Spurs. Even if McDyess retires and his cap hit is limited to $2.5 million, the Spurs will still be over the salary cap. The only new big men the Spurs would be able to bring in would have to sign for a minimum contract or be acquired through sign-and-trade.

It’s hard to say if either route could bring in a big with the same (or better) quality as McDyess. Not to mention the influence he has and respect he commands in the locker room. With the average age of the Spurs (sans Dice) at 26.4, San Antonio is becoming a younger team. Take out Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili from that equation and it’s even younger.

The Spurs have limited options for adding to the big man rotation next season. While there are some players out there who may come cheap (Please, oh please bring in Kyrylo Fesenko), San Antonio has a player who’s already mastered the corporate knowledge part of the job in Antonio McDyess. It’s up to him to wait out the work stoppage and decide if he wants to take one more shot at a title.

  • Rob

    “The only new big men the Spurs would be able to bring in would have to
    sign for a minimum contract or be acquired through sign-and-trade.”

    Or MLE right?

    I for one would love to see Dice continue for one more year if the Spurs could land another quality big allowing Dice to play limited productive minutes and get a well deserved ring.

  • junierizzle

    I think he can still play.

    It’s not his fault that Randolph was a freaking fire. He couldn’t have played him any better.
    Collison played him similar to Dice  but Randolph really cooled down by then.

  • junierizzle

    *on freaking fire.

  • Mark B.

    It’s hard to know whether the kind of cap exceptions you used to have (MLE, minimum, or ever sign-and-trade) are going to be available under a new CBA, when and if it ever gets done.  The Spurs did the best thing they could, which is to hold on to talent they have.  If they let McDyess go, there’s no guarantee that the new cap rules would let them get any player at all to play for McDyess.  And expecially in a shortened season, he still has a lot of value.  And he gets a nice payday too, so it works out for both parties.

  • Rick Ashford

    Fesenko would definitely be fun. Since Pop was a Russian studies major and aplate fly still speaks Russian, he might do really well here.

  • Rick Ashford

    Stupid auto-correct. “Apparently”

  • Bob

    Part of the reason Randolph was on fire was by getting easy buckets on Bonner particularly in the last game. His confidence was sky high by the time Dice tried to stop him. Duncan might have the better choice of defender for Randolph at the end of games.

  • Bob

    I think Dice played well in his role of the bench. He was able to come in and stabilize the offense and defense. I felt the only reason Pop should have changed the starting lineup was to start Splitter. Starting Dice forced Bonner and Blair on the floor at the same time which was bad defensively.

    Basically Pop possibly overreacted to the Lakers blowing them out at home before the rodeo trip. In that game Blair really looked small against the Lakers bigs. To have a chance against bigger bigs Blair really has to out quick and out hustle them. Maybe by then he had started gaining weight and was slower to the ball. He started Dice because he felt it improved the defense especially against bigger centers/forwards. If the Spurs had gone with Splitter it would have allowed Dice to retain his bench role and still provide a solid defensive center.

    Splitter really could have helped the defense more playing with Duncan. Duncan stated that he was at time to preoccupied with Randolph while he was guarding Gasol. If he feels he has a solid defender next to him who doesn’t require so much help he probably plays better. Even when he accidentally injured Dice it was Duncan coming over to help. If Splitter starts you have Duncan on Gasol and Splitter on Randolph and then Dice on Arthur of the bench. Those are pretty solid defensive matchups that would have allowed them to use single coverage. Then the Spurs perimeter player could have just focused on outplaying the Grizzlies on the perimeter.

  • Rob

    Good points.  Hind sight 20/20.  Splitter is the key if a new cba is agreed upon.  Bonner and Blair are not starting players that were forced to play heavy minutes.  McDyess is not a 28 minute per game night in and night out player.  Thus Splitter…the only option at this point big…has to improve and be ready to take on a heavier load.

  • Bruno

    Bonner should retire too

  • Bruno

    With Dice and Bonner salary Spurs can get D.West or Varejao or G.Oden. This is a mistake…

  • Pop-a-vich

    WHO SHOULD WE GET?

    Great offense, ave defense – D.West, Nene

    or

    Ave offense, great defense – Chandler, K.Martin, Dalembert

    or even

    Great offense and defense – Yao (gamble?)

    OR

    The 7’1 Fesenko???

  • Pop-a-vich
  • Rob

    You’re asking one of the teams in this league who are losing money to give away one of it’s players that could help it’s franchise develop attendance for three players that wouldn’t help the team win AND leave them without any post presence?

  • Pop-a-vich

    Hey take it easy. We’re having a boring lockout and I’m just trying to experiment some things.

    Post presence? The red rocket can take care of that.

  • Rob

    No problem…just a question not meant as an insult.  If a number of players decide to sign overseas…Bonner just may be one of the better players in the league when the nba resumes.  :)

  • Pop-a-vich

    It’s ok. I just really want to get rid of rj so bad so we can trade him for a pf. Hope there will be no games lost, so player’s won’t have to play overseas.

    I really don’t know what to do with Bonner, some games he seems so important to our team with his spacing and 3pt shooting, and sometimes he’s just useless.

  • ZeusVizzle

    I think our team sees Jefferson and Bonner as that ex-girlfriend who you dumped for some reason that pissed you off the last time you were together, but then time passes and you’re like, “Hey, well there were good moments together so why don’t we give it another shot?”…and when you give it another whirl they piss you off again, and you wonder why you started another season with them in the first place.

    Please, Pop, dump the ex-girlfriend.

  • andy

    i don’t see fesenko as any better than josh mcroberts. a ham heavier, sure.

    if dice stays, i’m happy. if he doesn’t i’m ok with it, too. the man has earned it.

  • ZeusVizzle

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4xr9342

    Here’s a way to get rid of Jefferson and Bonner in one fell swoop…and the results could fetch us a potential Robert Horry type player whose been to the Finals.

  • ZeusVizzle

    Add a dash of Kyrylo Fesenko to beef up the frontline and battle the Gasols, Bynums, Howards, etc., and you have yourself championship team.

  • Tim in Surrey

    At this point, I’d rather have Jefferson. Lewis has been good at times, but not in a while. He was terrible in that finals appearance and has declined since then. And his contract is poisonous. Nice guy, but wouldn’t help the team win a title.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    I  say use that money and find a way to (if its there) to sign Troy Murphy.  Then we trade Parker and Jefferson to the Lakers for Barnes and Gasol(although we would have to rework/extend his contract).  Then we bring over De Colo, I know people think he needs one more year but i feel he would better develop over here.  We could keep Richards and Bartans devoloping for 2 more years, but I think for Richards, one year in europe and one with the Toros.
    New Depth Chart
    Pg Neal, Joseph, De Colo 

  • SG

    Ugh…no thanks. Lewis stinks…just a spot-up three point shooter who can’t make shots.

  • SG

    There are better PF’s available…Atlanta’s Josh Smith is probably leaving…maybe RJ + McDice’s retiring contract could be enough. He’s more athletic and a better rebounder than Lewis.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    The deck is way stacked against splitter right now, poor guy.  It wasn’t bad enough that he had to sit out training camp and pre season last year now he won’t get it this year.  I’m really hoping the best for him but its a hard road he’s been given.

  • Bruno

    That team wouldn’t make the playoffs

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    Why not Bruno?  Only big problem at that point is too much youth at PG.  But every other Position has great ball handlers so you don’t need a traditional distributer for a PG.  Plus I read your other post and if you think we can get West for the like 8 mill we are paying Dice and Red Rocket then your Crazy, even with the new CBA up in the air, I will be shocked if west doesn’t get at least 12/year for 4-5 years.  I’m a big fan of dice but sadly he’s a one year contributer at best, and i’m no Red Rocket fan.  Something needs to be done at C, and I know its not a glaring stat but we need help on the boards.  Leonard will help with that but playing Bonner, Blair or Dice at C isn’t working out.  Splitter has potential but between missing camp last year and the possibility of missing it this year, we can’t count on his development.  What do you sugest? well besides thinking that you can sign west for 8 mill and a tour of the alamo?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    Free dinner 2X a week anywhere on the riverwalk?

  • ZeusVizzle

    Well, if Josh Smith can be had for Spurs’ low-quality players then I’m all gung-ho for that trade. The reason I brought up Rashard was to appease Pop since he can’t get enough of long range shooting PF’s. I don’t know if Smith will fulfill that role adequately since he’s such a poor 3-point shooter.

    No trade this year (from now to God-knows-when the season starts) will ever happen, so I guess we seriously have to consider R.C.’s “Bargain Bin” — previously full of great non-entities like Nick Van Exel, Glenn “Big Dog” Robinson and Drew Gooden — and who now offer us the likes of Troy Murphy, Erik Dampier and anyone else by the name of Roster Player.

  • Hobson13

    If we had only had Dyess in his prime, Tim and Dyess would have been unreal together.  I really don’t think bringing him back next year will help the Spurs a great deal.  Even if there’s no lockout, he will be 37yrs old by the start of the season.  If you look, his minutes and production have steadily declined for the past 3 years.  In all honesty, I just don’t think Antonio has much left in the tank.  I would love for the Spurs to bring in a young stud at the PF or C spot, but barring a trade (probably including Parker) I don’t see that happening. 

    One guy that could help the Spurs IF he returns to form is Troy Murphy.  He’s not a great defender, but he can space the floor and rebound like crazy.  Since last year was a disasterous campaign for him (due to a back injury) we may be able to get him for real cheap.  Plus, I could see him fitting nicely into the Spurs playbook since he’s essentially a bigger, better version of Bonner.  It’s true Murphy isn’t a spring chicken, but he is almost 6 years younger than Dyess.  He’s not a long term solution, but right now I’m not sure there is a long term solution for the Spurs to bolster their 4/5 positions. 

  • Rob

    CAN teams still make trades during this lockout?

  • DNITCH24

    Saw an interesting article of 5 on 5 on ESPN that has RJ for Travis Outlaw. I’m down with the trade because it gets out of RJ’s awful contract. What about Thaddeus Young for a FA pickup? Can play both positions and is extremely athletic. 

  • Rob

    To answer my own question after seeing some “reports” or “rumors”…

    “Q: Can teams re-sign their free agents? Can players be traded?
    A: There will be no free-agent signings or trades during the lockout.”
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/756280-nba-lockout-frequently-asked-questions-get-answered

    So these so called “reports” or thoughts are a moot point until the lockout is over and/or a new cba is in place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    I think that the top 4 free agent targets for the spurs should be Murphy, Grey, Fesenko, and Elson.  All add the needed depth at the 5 spot and should be reasonably priced.

  • Hobson13

    That would be an interesting trade, but would only work if Outlaw really improved in a Spurs uniform.  There really isn’t much difference between the two with regards to the financials.  RJ is owed $30 mil over the next 3 years and Outlaw is owed $28mil over the next 4 years.  As bad as RJ was last year, Outlaw was even worse.Outlaw’s only saving grace is that he is 4 years younger than RJ.  With Leonard, Butler, and Anderson I think we are set at the SF spot so do we really want another young SF for the next 4 years?  IMO, this is only trading one junker for another.  No team clearly gets better in the process.  (If Outlaw could show big improvement in a Spurs uniform I would ammend my stance.) 

  • shockog

    What about free agent targets like James Jones, Marcus Cousins or even James Gist?

  • Titletown99030507d

    But we already have a Bonner for that. Space and no Defense. And Blair a rebounder is the complement to him but doesn’.t space.. So then you would have three not fulling the full package at that spot.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Troy Murphy is not going to do any better than what we had last go round.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Throw in a years worth of Mamacita’s dinners and a pass to the wax museum. All kidding aside do you think he can command that kind of money after the CBA and a bad knee and old age at that. Bad knee + not young for the NBA is not a good combination.  Teams needing his services for 1 or two years might benefit but he would want a long contract and no one is giving this guy a long contract. Not anymore. I’m right there in thinking he’s good at around 8 mil per for 1 or two years to see if he pans out by not re-inuring that knee.. Who would take a chance on him? The spurs are one of the teams that would give an old man a look. That’s almost protocol for them. Many teams will not take the risk I feel. Honestly I think his better years are behind him but could help this team anyway at this point. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    We’ll see about his $$$

  • DorieStreet

    Maybe it the new uniform/team motivates him. Also like Young–he’s not a big part of the rotation in Philidelphia from what I read.

  • DorieStreet

    Only thing that will take place is negotiation.
    I wonder if teams will try to send offers to FAs without the league finding out, so that when the new CBA is agreed upon, they can fill out their rosters quickly.

  • Bruno

    That team wouldn’t make the playoffs because has lots of changes, they can’t adapt to the “system” and a 31 year Gasol is worse than a 35 Timmy.

    Yes D.West is a better deal, Spurs can give RJ+Dice or RJ+Bonner, to complete 12 million as u suggested, and looks pretty good, because now Spurs has many players who can play at SF…

  • Hobson13

    On one hand I agree.  Murphy does nothing for us on the defensive end.  However, who else can we bring in this offseason that has the ability to make an immediate impact?  The top tier free agent big men (West, Chandler, Nene, Gasol, etc) are WAY out of our price range.  This leaves us with other Bigs who have no realistic chance at being impact players.  Even though Murphy isn’t a good defender, Bonner has never and will never average 14/10 per game. 

  • Rob
  • Tim in Surrey

    The Nets were supposed to be the new uniform/team to motivate Outlaw. It didn’t work. Avery apparently bullied him into near-catatonia. Admittedly getting him away from Avery might be good, but if he’s that thin-skinned how would he handle Pop? Outlaw is also a classic tweener in the bad sense of the term and doesn’t give us even as much as we’ve already got with RJ and Mitts. His contract is a little less per year than RJ’s but it lasts forever, so if he doesn’t work out he’ll be a salary cap anchor until 2015.

    Thaddeus Young’s interesting, that’s for sure. He’s a bit of a tweener, too, but in his case it’s the good kind. In other words, where Outlaw is too small to handle PFs and too unskilled to handle SFs, Young isn’t and he in turn is too quick for other PFs and too big & strong for other SFs. Still, he’s a bit of a risk and again doesn’t give us something we don’t already have with Leonard. Hmm… The interesting thing would be to combine Young and Leonard as an old-fashioned pair of forwards, where both combine interior and perimeter play. That could be effective.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    You Can’t give ANYONE for a free agent with out a sign and trade.  So then Nawlins has to be involved.  A team with a lot of changes can’t make the playoffs, how bout the heat?(I am in no way condoneing, supporting, or otherwise shedding any good light on the heat)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    So after watching video of Hanga, de Colo, Leonard, Richards, and Bertans  I am way excited for the future of the spurs.  Can you imagine those 5 on the floor at the same time 4-5 years from now.  Imagine what the spurs will look like in 5 years.
    PG: De Colo, Joseph
    SG: Neal, Hanga, Anderson
    SF: Leonard, Bertans
    PF: Blair, Also Whoever they draft in the next 2 years
    C: Splitter, Richards
    I’ve thought about all kinds of trades to make the team better but then i have to remember “In RC I Trust”  I’m excited to see Joseph and watch him turn into the next parker.  Its hard sometimes to not look at our current hole at the 5 spot, or Jeffersons terrible production(I think the contract is reasonable but his production is a HUGE disappointment) or the fact that Duncan and Ginobilli won’t be around for a whole lot longer, and not get upset about the current state of the spurs.  Also, I’ve heard multiple people doing nothing but talking crap about Hangas defence, looked pretty good in that video.  I know i’ve posted about trade possibilities and whatnot but let me restate “IN RC I TRUST”  Its lookin good for the spurs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

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