Antonio McDyess’ retirement decision: To be continued

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It’s not quite last year’s Decision, is it?

Right about the time the Collective Bargaining Agreement expired and free agency was supposed to begin, Antonio McDyess’ contract had a deadline. If he had not retired and been waived by the Spurs, he was set to receive his full $5.2 million salary for the 2011-12 season. If he had chosen to retire, the Spurs were going to waive him and give him a nice, $2.5 million gift.

But with the NBA locking out the players and no clear picture as to when next season will actually start, McDyess and the Spurs agreed (before the lockout) to extend the deadline to decide what to do with McDyess’ contract. The new deadline to decide Dice and the Spurs’ future plans is now the first day of free agency. I’m assuming the end of the first day, I doubt both sides would pick a random time in the afternoon for a deadline.

Free agency won’t start until the new CBA is agreed upon and signed by both the NBA owners and the players union. So this gives Dice ample time to rest his 36-year-old body and figure how much more punishment it could take. Truthfully, when he got elbowed in the back of the head against Memphis in the playoffs it looked like he deicded he was done right then and there, but here we are.

If the NBA season is shortened, like in 1999 when the Spurs won their first title, I would expect a high probability of McDyess returning for his 15th season. That, I believe, is the point of this delay, to see how long next season actually is. If it’s a short season Dice’s body should be able to stand up to the wear and tear.

With the Spurs salary cap situation this summer, and no certainty to what it will look like when the CBA finished, Dice returning for another season could be a blessing for the Spurs. Even if McDyess retires and his cap hit is limited to $2.5 million, the Spurs will still be over the salary cap. The only new big men the Spurs would be able to bring in would have to sign for a minimum contract or be acquired through sign-and-trade.

It’s hard to say if either route could bring in a big with the same (or better) quality as McDyess. Not to mention the influence he has and respect he commands in the locker room. With the average age of the Spurs (sans Dice) at 26.4, San Antonio is becoming a younger team. Take out Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili from that equation and it’s even younger.

The Spurs have limited options for adding to the big man rotation next season. While there are some players out there who may come cheap (Please, oh please bring in Kyrylo Fesenko), San Antonio has a player who’s already mastered the corporate knowledge part of the job in Antonio McDyess. It’s up to him to wait out the work stoppage and decide if he wants to take one more shot at a title.

  • SAJKinBigD

    Not sure how I feel about Tiago playing for Brazil. I’d really rather he hung out with Timmy and the crew and worked themselves out during this situation.

    Everything about the Heat makes me sick. Even their blogger. Ugh.

    Let’s hope so. I would assume every team’s big guns are handling the recruiting during the lockout. I’m sure coaches and GMs gave some instructions to these players before the lockout came down on whom to target. And as far as that goes, it’ll still come down to cash most likely. Which won’t be good since the salary cap is possibly gonna reduce… Timmy and Manu can’t draw FAs like they once could, and I’m not sure if TP has the power to do so given all the trade rumors of late. Fingers crossed, knees bent, and praying long and hard for some quality assistance.

  • SAJKinBigD

    Not sure how I feel about Tiago playing for Brazil. I’d really rather he hung out with Timmy and the crew and worked themselves out during this situation.

    Everything about the Heat makes me sick. Even their blogger. Ugh.

    Let’s hope so. I would assume every team’s big guns are handling the recruiting during the lockout. I’m sure coaches and GMs gave some instructions to these players before the lockout came down on whom to target. And as far as that goes, it’ll still come down to cash most likely. Which won’t be good since the salary cap is possibly gonna reduce… Timmy and Manu can’t draw FAs like they once could, and I’m not sure if TP has the power to do so given all the trade rumors of late. Fingers crossed, knees bent, and praying long and hard for some quality assistance.

  • SAJKinBigD

    Not sure how I feel about Tiago playing for Brazil. I’d really rather he hung out with Timmy and the crew and worked themselves out during this situation.

    Everything about the Heat makes me sick. Even their blogger. Ugh.

    Let’s hope so. I would assume every team’s big guns are handling the recruiting during the lockout. I’m sure coaches and GMs gave some instructions to these players before the lockout came down on whom to target. And as far as that goes, it’ll still come down to cash most likely. Which won’t be good since the salary cap is possibly gonna reduce… Timmy and Manu can’t draw FAs like they once could, and I’m not sure if TP has the power to do so given all the trade rumors of late. Fingers crossed, knees bent, and praying long and hard for some quality assistance.

  • SAJKinBigD

    Not sure how I feel about Tiago playing for Brazil. I’d really rather he hung out with Timmy and the crew and worked themselves out during this situation.

    Everything about the Heat makes me sick. Even their blogger. Ugh.

    Let’s hope so. I would assume every team’s big guns are handling the recruiting during the lockout. I’m sure coaches and GMs gave some instructions to these players before the lockout came down on whom to target. And as far as that goes, it’ll still come down to cash most likely. Which won’t be good since the salary cap is possibly gonna reduce… Timmy and Manu can’t draw FAs like they once could, and I’m not sure if TP has the power to do so given all the trade rumors of late. Fingers crossed, knees bent, and praying long and hard for some quality assistance.

  • Titletown99030507d

    No. No. Tiago needs to be playing right now even if its the Brazilian team. He needs as many minutes as he can get in organized professional play as possible. He’ll do well over there besides it will keep him in shape and ready for a shortened season if there’s one. I would take the risk just to get him more prepared than the players on the other teams.

    Why so much hate for the Heat? In regards to Lebron can”t a human being exercise his right to move on especially if he’s fulfilled his contract obligation? I think so . It goes for anyone even if Timmy or Dave wanted to go it would have been their right to do so. By the way It’s not the Heat bloggers that get on my nerves its the frikin Laker reporters, bloggers, and sports columnists that are insisting they make a trade for DHoward. Arrogant s.o.b’s they think they can just snap their fingers and get what they want. That’s why I enjoy their agony when they get bumped out of the playoffs. Also the Mavs are right there with them. I’d rather root for the Rockets than those Mavericks. If cuban could he would give the moon and the stars just to get Lebron in baby puke blue, green, and white.

  • Bruno

    Heat doesn’t have Pop as Coach…

  • DorieStreet

    It’s ESPN’s overcoverage of the Heat in every conceivable way. They will run their game score and stats 2 or 3 times before posting other games score even once. They show show every video of James in a gym no matter how grainy or inconsequencial the moment is.(It looks like this is an annual thing they do after the playoffs, too.)

     You keep referring back  his choosing to excercise his FA rights—that is not why the guy generates animosity towards him. (Cavaliers fans are the exception.) It was the dog & pony interview/show last July, the intro to the Heat fanbase spectacle, the interview with his new teammates (“not 1, not 2, not 3…..”).  The constant comparisions (every week) to Jordan–on line and on the air.
    Yeah, Cuban is a piece of work, but he zips his lips, then the Mavs cease to be in the constant NBA chatter. But that changes now that they are the champs.
    It’s Lakers, Heat, (no titles) Celtics (1 title in the last 25 years) Knicks (no titles in 39 years and counting) that get the ink /airtime as far as teams go. And when the talk turns to players–the usual dozen are spoken about ad nauseum.

  • Rob

    De Colo, from what I’ve heard, is not someone to get excited about as far as future “star” player on the team.  If anything…Joseph would probably be ahead as far as rank and file regarding position.  Once Anderson gets his equilibrium regarding the NBA, he’ll probably be better than Neal.  Hanga has a LONG way to go developing.  Leonard I would tend to agree.  Bertans is a one trick pony in the since he’s only good at one thing and defense isn’t one of them. (Another Bonner?).  As far as Blair…we’ll have to see if the Whataburger Poster Child can curtail his weights habits and ever become a bonefide role/team player in the nba or more importantly…for THIS team.  Splitter looked to have the most promise last season with the short amount of time he actually got to play.  Richards has not played a single game in the NBA…verdict is still out but he could be a dark horse.
    Anyway…I’m optimistic as well about the future IF the Spurs could somehow manage to land an allstar (or two) type of player for the future after Duncan/Ginobili have retired or past their prime.  Seems like a good core of “role” players the Spurs have been collecting the past several years. 

  • DorieStreet

    Wow—Blair will be the “old man” (de facto captain if he bust his butt and improve from this point forward) with 5 years NBA experience at the start of the 2014-15 season.

  • SAJKinBigD

    Good point. I amend my stance on Tiago.
    My hate for the Heat is just the whole arrogance and attitude of it all. I mean they threw a party for Winning Free Agency for freak’s sake! Ugh. LA and Miami are on the same level for me – and you know what they have in common – RILEY. That man makes me wanna hurl every time I see him.

    Dallas is a step under them usually, but I rooted for Dirk this year when it came down to Mavs v. Heat. I couldn’t stand the sense of entitlement that team has/had. Ugh.

    I have nothing personal against the Decision, other than the stuff afterwards, or the players themselves, until their little “I’m sick” grabage/mocking of Dirk during the Finals. That was unprofessional and uncool.

  • Tyler

    No they couldn’t. 

  • Tyler

    No chance. The league would make a point by coming down hard on any team found communicating with players.

  • Tyler

    I’ll take RJ and the one less year of guaranteed salary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tyler-Cameron/1440134598 Tyler Cameron

    You should seriously check out Projectspurs.com, they have all kinds of video on De Colo, Hanga, Richards, and Bertans.  Good point with anderson, I will have to disagree about De Colo, and Hanga though.  From the Tape i’ve seen on them neither one of them have a european type game.  Heck Hangas video looks like an AND1 video, plus if you watch that video watch his Defence, he looks amazing.  Remember where Parker and Ginobilli where drafted? like 28 and 58 or something, just like Joseph and Hanga.  I’m still on the fence with Blair, but then I remember that he’s only in his third year this year.   Richards is a very interesting project.  He’s been tearing it up in the U-19 tourny in Europe and he’s like 20.  I feel like he’s a quick learner and he’s got NBA size AND speed.  If anyone one of them is a darkhorse i would say its Joseph who left college after one year with dissapointing numbers, but it all goes back to “IN RC I TRUST”

  • Rob

    All we can do is wait and see.  If nothing is done with a new cba…the chances of losing these players to Euroleague or somewhere else becomes more and more likely.  And how long does a team (not only the Spurs) have to wait to get these players on the court in that event?

    This lockout could spell more disastrous than some realize for both owners and players.  More so for new players entering the league or lower end salary players.  The James’, Bryant’s,  Wade’s, Garnett’s, Duncan’s, etc. of this league…they’ve made a lot of money already…this ( a year long lockout) won’t affect them as much as those I just mentioned.

  • Bruno

    De Colo isn’t NBA level…Hanga and Richards can be very good.. 
    Spurs should try get Dario Saric…He is playing the European tornament, the guy in the worse case will be Hedo Turkoglu, in the best case Lebrom James…

  • TD BestEVER

    I think Hanga has a real chance to be something special……….Or at least a decent rotation player…….. He as well as Richards are our 2 best foreign prospects……. The number one thing about coming to the NBA is the size/speed or the NBA Game…….. Hanga has the Speed and Size to play the SG position in the NBA and has the Hops to really excel on a fast breaking type of team…… Think of a 6-7 LeAndro Barbosa……….

    Bertans is a waste if you ask me…………He can shoot…..but so can EVERYBODY else in Europe these days……. getting a 6-10 player that can shoot 3′s used to be Special….not every teams has one…… SO I don’t see why we need Bertans……….

  • andy

    you’re making contradictory arguments now, bruno. first, it’d be too many changes, then implying that pop is a coach that could deal with personnel changes?

    tyler, i think that roster would make the playoffs, but not compete for a championship. too few playmakers. you basically only have ginobili creating shots while everyone else relies on the havoc he generates, and again, he can’t do that full bore anymore. i think gasol would do well with us, but can’t see us getting him without giving up parker, which isn’t prudent

  • Bruno

    What i was saying is : Heat doesn’t have a “system” like Pop’s team, they adapt their system to the players, Pop adapt his players to  the system… Just remember 2010, when RJ sign…Spurs make the #7 seed, imagine change SF/PG/Center, would be a disaster… And Lebrom+Bosh >>>>> Gasol+Troy Murphy

  • andy

    i have to agree that there is a glimmer from the future spurs, but whether that glimmer turns into even a flash in the pan rather than a beacon remains to be seen.

    in keeping tabs on the u-19s, i really wonder whether the spurs should’ve promised nogueira the 29th spot to keep him in the draft. i still feel like we could’ve gotten cory joseph later. i respect the front office and they must’ve scouted joseph more than anyone in the league, but it’s a question of value and slotting. with noguiera, we’d have a future shotblocker and center with some unreal length, not to mention another brazilian. just a thought.

  • Rob
  • Titletown99030507d

    Hanga has a Tony Parker look about him in frame wise but taller. He seems quick and I like the hops he has. He’s 5 inches taller than GHill at that position. Wow if he transitions well when its his time to come he could very well be special as well as a steal at that pick.  How long will it be before he makes the move?

  • Titletown99030507d

    Have you seen the U20′s PG on Ryan Richard’s team? This Devon Van Oostrum is bad little dude. Some RR also.

    http://www.hoopsfix.com/2011/07/video-devon-van-oostrum-posterizes-danish-big/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6Dm5bIocsw

    http://gameongb.com/news/2411.php

  • Titletown99030507d
  • Tim in Surrey

    Sorry, Rob, but I have to completely disagree about Bertans. He’s a one-trick pony RIGHT NOW, but that’s because he’s just 18 and currently thinner than George Gervin. He’s long, has a lot of skills, and is actually quite agile. I think he’ll be a very effective player once his body matures and he gains some strength. I’m not sure how he’ll pan out because getting stronger may cost him some of that agility and smoothness. But it typically doesn’t, as long as the player doesn’t become too heavy, and while he may lose a little agility he’ll gain explosiveness and leverage. Plus I like his spirit. Personally I think he’ll be a very effective player, it’s just a question of when.

  • ZeusVizzle

    I was thinking the same about Noguiera, but it turns out he had pulled his name out of the draft about a week or so before draft night, so I think he was posturing himself to be a lottery pick next year. With next year’s draft class being so over-hyped, I’d say Noguiera would be around in the late 1st round again in 2012.

  • Rob

    I think he has more “Ginobilisms” about his game than looking like Parker.

    http://projectspurs.com/2011-articles/july/video-hanga-highlight-reel.html

  • Rob

    Thanks for the links.  Might be on to something with the kid Van Oostrum.  Looks very polished at the basics for his age against the talent level he’s going against.  Can’t say I read anything positive into Richards play and noticed the Brits get out rebounded. Perhaps Richards is the only one doing the rebounding for the team thus explaining the disparity in team rebounds against their opponents.

  • TD BestEVER

    I think he needs to come over in the next 2 years or he won’t come at all…… He isn’t going to get much better over there………. he Needs to gain a little weight or learn to dribble a little better…….. He does handle the ball and run plays for his Euro Team so he might be able to play back up PG in the NBA which would be a HUGE asset on offense and Defense ……..

  • Titletown99030507d

    Maybe he resembles him and has the slim look about him what I meant but even better if he has the Ginobilism about him. Hope he’s tough as nails like Manu.

  • Titletown99030507d
  • Rob

    According to this article…http://dimemag.com/tag/devon-van-oostrum/…”He’s currently the third-ranked international prospect for his age group (1993).”

    If he improves upon his already great skills…he’s going to make a name for himself in the NBA.  His court vision is the best I’ve seen from any recently drafted nba player or current college player.  His instincts are crazy good.  This kid would definitely be worth draft and stash.

  • Rob

    I’ll have to take your word and this article to heart…http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/22748484?mcctag=San%20Antonio%20Spurs

    Perhaps he becomes a steal of the draft.  It just seems from what I’ve managed to look up…he’s got a long way to go (other than hitting the three) to being NBA ready.

  • DorieStreet

    Stephen Curry can’t rehab his ankle injury with the team doctors/trainers; Michael Beasley cannot be penalized for his marijuana possession–and players cannot be tested during the lockout. There are going to be more interesting circumstances while this lockout is ongoing.

    Players might go up north to play if there not financially set to endure a short/non season. Plus just wanting to stay in competitive shape and play while getting paid–especially rookies, guys on the end of the bench, players near the end of their careers–they might not be able to latch onto a team in 2012-13.

    You know NBA teams would frown upon this, but if they can’t keep them from playing on their countries’ national teams, what prevents them from joining the NBL?

  • Titletown99030507d

    Attention is drawn towards LBJ because Kobe’s team sucked this past season in the playoffs (Good). Next guy in line to get the royal treatment is LBJ because he’s that good. After him Derrick Rose and on and on. So the media turned it into a dog and pony affair. If they didn’t like it they wouldn’t air it. And if they didn’t air it the fans would have been better off your saying? So the media in essence doesn’t care about those Cavs fans. It’s all about the $.  We need to blame the media they are the ones that inflamed the animosity as a whole. Nobody cares about us.

  • Rob

    “You know NBA teams would frown upon this, but if they can’t keep them
    from playing on their countries’ national teams, what prevents them from
    joining the NBL?” Nothing!  It’s an interesting and landscape changing venue that’s going on now (including Europe, China, etc.).  It very well could be (dare I say) a ploy.  Reducing the number of “so called talent” in the NBA to get “less caliber talent” in the NBA to go somewhere else?  Think about it.  What better way to be able to afford top talent per team if 2nd and 3rd tier players are playing somewhere else and not be allocated to wasted salary of NBA teams?  Owners could afford top bench line talent for an entire team just because they wouldn’t have to be paying slot talent.  I know..it sounds crazy…but as basketball continues to grow in popularity across the globe and people can find a way to make a profit…what better way to disperse the talent world wide so others can make their profit too without having to be affiliated to just the NBA?

  • Tim in Surrey

    Well, maybe not the steal of the draft–anymore than Tiago was in 2007. But if you can afford to wait a couple of years, he’s a much better prospect than anyone else available in the second round.

    Interesting that Cleveland is already looking like they made a BIG mistake in drafting Tristan Thompson over Jonas Valanciunas–and Minnesota and Utah might end up that way as well. He has absolutely been tearing it up in the World U-19 Championships. He had 30 pts, 15 reb, 4 blk, 55 fg%, and 80 ft% against the US a couple of days ago. But those teams passed on him because they didn’t want to wait a year. Not smart. I’m especially surprised at Cleveland because they already had Varejao at PF. Wouldn’t they have been better off trading with Utah and getting Valanciunas, Knight or Walker at PG, AND Leonard at SF. I’d take that three over Irving and Thompson any day of the week.

    If the rumour is true that the Spurs were trying to trade up to get Valanciunas, it makes them look that much smarter, doesn’t it? Man, it would’ve been great to pair him with Tiago as the frontcourt of the future… (Although, of course, I’m ecstatic about getting Leonard, especially while still getting Bertans, Hanga, and Joseph.)

  • DorieStreet

    The attention was on James and the Heat from July 8 last year on. ESPN created the webpage “The Heat Index” which featured stories about James far more than the other teammates.
    The whole league in a sense got caught up in it. Low and behold, our own Spurs/AT&T ticket office increased the prices of the PRESEASON GAME vs. Miami last October, I’m sure they were not alone.

    I’ve got no axe to grind with James, although I frowned upon his pregame antics with his Cavs teammates. The Spurs last championship was a sweep against him when some basketball pundits were picking the upset and many league fans were rooting for CLE. Still,for the next 3 seasons they were the leagues darlings and showcase team because of his play, and many assumed they would be in the finals again repeatedly. (Remember the Nike puppets commercials during the latter part of the 2008-09 season?)

    It just gets a little old when the national televisions schedules overload on 2 or 3 teams throughout the season – every season.. As an NBA fan in general, I like to view other teams play also.

  • DorieStreet

    So in addition to a salary cap, you have a ‘roster cap’–10 or 11 active players on the roster for the season- period. If injuries, illness, or personal affairs make a player unavailable for one or more games–call up someone from the teams’ DLeague squad.
    (How about adding this stipulation to the rules: suspended players cannot be replaced on a squad.)
    You view games on tv or attend them in person; there’s always 3 or 4 guys on each NBA team during the course of a season play miniscule minutes, unless a game gets out of hand early, and by a very large margin (blowout win/loss). No matter what their salaries are, it seems a waste of money.

  • DorieStreet

    Breaking news—–Yao MIng retires from the Houston Rockets.

  • Rob

    Yes.  So true. Player rotations are always set at 9 to 10 during the regular season that actually log time in a game with the 8th to 10th player logging on average 6 to 10 minutes per game.  Come playoffs…that rotation is even less.  And when has a player at the end of a bench from a 12 player roster ever been significant at helping their team win a game?  It’s always the top 7 players in a rotation that make a significant difference for a team.  And if any of those players ever receive injury…when does that team ever have a real chance of winning a playoff series?

    But I would go one further.  Depending on the severity of a suspension (whether it’s a team suspension or league violation) that player’s salary is not guaranteed and not counted against a team for the duration of suspension and if suspension is for a period of more than 10 games…that team reserves the right to replace player during suspension with another player and have the right to keep replaced player over suspended player after suspension is served.

  • DorieStreet

    If the lockout continues into October- training camp time- the players could convene as their collective squads and doa training camp, then stage preseason exhibitions at 6 sites (5 sqauds per site).

  • TD BestEVER

    Ya I think some of these other leagues are gonna help NBA teams by giving 2nd and 3rd tier players a chance to run a team and be the man……. It should allow them to grow up faster and develop into what the NBA needs them to be……. So instead of 2009 SA Keith Bogans…….. you get 2011 Mavs DeShaun Stevenson…… very similar players…..but one was ready when needed and the other was not…….. And I think that all the time Stevenson spent as a go to guy in Washington helped him when he had to sit the bench for 2 years but was still ready when called upon……………

  • TD BestEVER

    Sad to see him go so early……..was hoping he could join us…..LOL

  • Nima K.

    I have to say the Besiktas-Williams deal does look attractive. If September comes and no lockout progress, I could see a lot of European and Asian clubs clamoring for NBA players with similar offers. Even players with contracts.

  • Titletown99030507d

    “The whole league in a sense got caught up in it. Low and behold, our own Spurs/AT&T ticket office increased the prices of the PRESEASON GAME vs. Miami last October, I’m sure they were not alone.”That’s my point the media drove this animosity to the NBA’s advantage thus the rise of the ticket prices. It’s over now we all should move on and let him be. People treat him like he was OJ. And I still want him to win a title. Just wish it was the season that just passed since we got knocked out.

  • Titletown99030507d

    In regards to Young I saw one of their games on TV last season and the color analysts mentioned he was going to be a big part of their future along with the talent they have. Wonder if its true. Don’t see him leaving.

  • ZeusVizzle

    I’m bored. Hey, guys let’s head over to Project Spurs right now. They keep it fresh!

  • Rob

    Well…what is there to write about?  Keep what fresh?…the fact there is nothing going on except speculation?  I think the regulars here do a good job of posting pertinent information and if anything SHOULD develop…the writers of this site would share that with it’s fervent followers.

  • Sam

    It’s a great site just like this one. However this site relies much more on fan comments and intelligent arguments rather than new news. Seriously, stop spamming though.