Captain Jack is back, Spurs trade for Stephen Jackson

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According to reports by Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports, the San Antonio Spurs have reacquired Stephen Jackson from the Golden State Warriors:

The San Antonio Spurs have reached an agreement to acquire Stephen Jackson from the Golden State Warriors in exchange for Richard Jefferson, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Jackson won a championship with the Spurs in 2003 and coach Gregg Popovich has long valued his toughness.

I’ll update this post with more analysis shortly, but feel free to share your thoughts. In the meantime just know that I am irrationally happy about this development. Every fan, writer, etc. has that one player that for whatever reason, sometimes against logic even, they love to watch. Jackson has always been that guy for me.  

It remains to be seen what Jackson has left to offer, but at a quick glance the Spurs have added a little more playmaking on the perimeter and a player known for dropping quotes about loving pressure.

 

  • theghostofjh

    Agree.

  • theghostofjh

    You are completely clueless about Blair. Unfortunately, you’re not alone on this blog.

  • theghostofjh

    I’d be very surprised if Jackson is “shot happy” on the Spurs. Pop will want him to play-make and defend, and save his shot-making for clutch moments in the flow of the ball-movement offense. Jackson knows he’s role will revert back under Pop, and with the big three. I think he’ll be fine with it. And he’ll be “jacked” to try and get back in contention in the West again.

  • theghostofjh

    Word is, Nuggets may be waiving Ronny Turiaf. That could be a useful pick-up to at least provide some depth with a good character guy that could compliment/add something to our existing front court without giving up an asset.

  • theghostofjh

    Cannot afford Kaman. However, Turiaf or Diaw could help some. Turiaf’s a little better defender/shot-blocker, while Diaw’s more versatile overall.

  • theghostofjh

    Yes, good post. And remember, Jack can even fill in at the 3-spot when needed. His experience, toughness, and versatility are welcomed. I think it will be a good fit, and shouldn’t take very long to fully assimilate him in the system for a variety of reasons.

  • theghostofjh

     “Is Stephen Jackson capable of being this guy in 2012?”

    Definitely possible, in the fairly rare circumstances when it’s needed.

  • theghostofjh

    I agree.

  • theghostofjh

    I would take Jordan Hill over Bonner.

  • theghostofjh

    Jack’s a better fit, and better in the playoffs, when it counts the most.

  • theghostofjh

    Yeah but just remember, Pop has a love affair with Bonner. This is no joke.

  • theghostofjh

    No, it won’t.

  • theghostofjh

    It’s really most about his play-making, and his aggression at both ends.

  • theghostofjh

    No, Jackson is the better defender, more tenacious, and will likely become more consistent again in a Spurs uniform.

  • theghostofjh

    Yes, you’re spot on.

  • theghostofjh

    Another on here that doesn’t understand Blair’s value.

  • theghostofjh

    Yes, solid take on the matter.

  • Tim in Surrey

    He fits into the starting lineup. I think that’s what this is really about – we’re better with TP, Manu, and Kawhi on the perimeter. And Jack in many ways duplicates Manu’s strengths, albeit less efficiently. He’ll pair as well with Neal in the backcourt as Manu does, with his passing and ballhandling helping to make up for Neal’s weaknesses in those areas.

  • Rube Goldberg

    Terrible point.  Two completely different teams,.  Put ’03 RJ on the Spurs in place of Jackson and they win a title anyway.  Jackson is fortunate to have won a title.  Dude coattail rode the Spurs to a ring, and that’s it.  How many has Jackson won without coattail riding Super Duncan to a title?  Zero.  How many times has he gotten to the finals without SA?  Zero.  How many times has he gotten to either conference finals? Zero.  Gotten out of the first round?  Once ever.  He blows in the playoffs, shooting under 40% there for his career, and only shot over 40% a single time!  RJ, on the other hand, has at least been to the finals twice without SA, and also helped us get a 60+ win season last year.

  • Rube Goldberg

    You should learn to separate, “gets a lot of clutch shots” with, “scores clutch shots efficiently”.

    Kobe actually isn’t clutch, and the statistics prove it.  Kobe simply hits more shots late in games because he takes way more than anyone else in the NBA.  Have you ever seen a comparison of Kobe and MJ’s clutch shots and attempts?  MJ was something like 32/56, and Kobe was 33/125.  Kobe hit more game winners!!!!!!. . . but he jacked up twice as many attempts.

    ESPN and NBA.com doesn’t post his attempts.  They aren’t like MLB, where they will rip someone’s pants down for how many times a player blows a save or fails to knock in runners in scoring position.  NBA players, for whatever reason, don’t seem to be held accountable for all their misses.  Kobe is a prime example.

    Have you looked at his clutch stats?  Even once? Here’s a link to them:

    http://www.82games.com/1112/11LAL5.HTM#clutch

    Kobe shoots 28% from the field in the clutch.  Doesn’t look like a clutch hero to me.  But hey, ignorance is bliss, and you seem really happy.

  • Rube Goldberg

    Completely agree.  I’ve been questioning this trade the second I heard it.  Jackson is having a terrible year.  His shooting 36% from the field and 28% from three.  And I’m even gifting him extra fractions of %’s to “boost” his stats up to those numbers.  This guy scores more per game than RJ. . .you know, by almost an entire point!  But the guy takes 3 more shots to do it.

    I mean, if we really need another point that badly. . .I’m sure any player on the team including Corey Joseph and James Anderson, would be able to average an extra point on 3 attempts per game.  We didn’t need to bring in an expert chucker to get us the extra point, and waste 3 more possessions attaining it.  Plus those three shots come away from other players, which means our team offense goes down, not up.

    This isn’t even a lateral movement, it’s a downgrade.  And we’re not even touching on the fact that he doesn’t even know the system anymore while RJ did.  For as much hate as RJ got, he at least wasn’t a negative presence.  No, he wasn’t great, but he was far from terrible.  Unlike Jackson who you can point to as a negative presence (statistically). 

    We just lost a sharpshooter and added. . .what?  A volume scorer aka glorified chucker?  Cool, exactly what we didn’t need.

    This was obviously a salary move.  Nothing more.  Absolutely does NOT help the Spurs on court or in the locker room.  Hopefully I’ll have to eat my words on this, but I seriously doubt I it.

  • Rube Goldberg

    I love how everyone keeps claiming that when they have no stats to back it up at all.  Over their careers, Jackson has shot under 40% in every single playoffs he’s been in besides one, where he barely cracked 40%.  His career average is 39% in the playoffs.  He’s extremely unreliable, and he’s consistantly unreliable.  RJ shoots much better in the playoffs over his career.  He also, statistically, shoots better in the clutch too.  Much to the chagrin of Jefferson haters, he’s actually shot 66.7% in clutch situations this year.  That is, 5 minutes left in the game, and the game is within 5 points (up or down).  66.7%, aka he makes 2 of every 3 shots.  You canot expect more than that.  How about Jackson in the same situations?  Oh cool, 30%.  Amazing.  less than half as good.  Nice “upgrade”.
    Also, folks, Jackson isn’t 33.  He’s 34 in less than 9 days.  You might’s well just start calling him 34 now, because he won’t even be 33 for a week after he starts playing for the Spurs.

    He’s a poor man’s old Micheal Finley at this point.  I’d much rather have just kept RJ if we’re talking purely on-court play.  But again, this move is clearly just a financial move and nothing more, because we’re obviously downgraded on-court.

  • Dr. Who

    It shed 12MM is salary! In that way the trade makes sense. Even if SJax fails here (I don’t think he will), we just moved Jeff’s second year money 11+MM is Ford’s 600k. Plus Popoves the guy, Timmy has been on record stating Jax is the ultimate teammate. Jax has been unhappy everywhere other than SA. Thi is the best ft for him by far. He’s already got chemistry with the big 3, Pop loves coaching him he isn’t Afars to get nasty and play D. Most importantly (not tracked in stats), the “moment” is never too big for him. Jefferson for all his accolades was not someone who wanted the ball in the 4th with 10 seconds on the clock. Guys like Jack and Horry relish those times. They live in that moment. Jefferson wasn’t a good fit here mentally or physically. He was a good fit here on paper, by the “stats.”

  • Jjonathany82

    The Spurs couldn’t afford (didn’t want?) to use the amnesty on RJ because you still have to pay him and his replacement.  It just doesn’t really make that much sense unless whoever you get as a replacement is significantly better, and that happening was very unlikely because of our cap situation.  So, the key to the trade was indeed freeing ourselves of the extra year on RJ’s deal.  Considering how deep we already are on the wing with Manu, Leonard and Green, I don’t think the trade really improves or weakens us at all.  On paper, it does seem to weaken us, but in reality I think it makes us (very) slightly better.  ANYHOW, not having to watch RJ’s frustrating play anymore is a welcome change for me–so I’m happy!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WBPW327T6XAZCCFQY25HBG6RE4 Cristian

    You guys keep talking about adding another big… WHAT BIG?? You’re talking about it like they grow on trees. More than half the teams in the league now don’t have a decent STARTING big, and you want to Spurs to have 5? Any guy who’s half decent, we can’t afford and I don’t want roster fillers, guys that play 5-10 mpg during the regular season, because those guys don’t play in the playoffs. At best, there are 96 minutes available at the 4-5 spot. In the playoffs, Tim will get 35 of those, Splitter about 28. So there are 35 minutes left. 15 will go to Blair and 15 to Bonner and 5 minutes the Spurs will go small. You can feel free to add or substract from any scenario, but a 5th big simply wouldn’t see any playing time in the playoffs. The Spurs actually like the play small for even longer stretches. Our strength is in the backcourt and we can run circles around any team, except Miami. They would keep up with us. What I would like would be an upgrade for Blair in height and offense. I still don’t get it why the Spurs didn’t go after Dalembert at the start of the season. I think he makes 3.5mil/yr in Houston and the Spurs had 3 mil to offer. I’m think we could’ve moved something around and got him. 
    But IMO, the biggest issue right now is that Tim and Tiago can’t really play together on offense. This is were the lockout really hurt us. 
    BTW, regarding RJ, I had grown to live with him and his shortcomings, although I still banged my fist on the table whenever he made a dumb move or missed badly an open 3-point corner shot. Even if Jackson shoots a worse % from 3, he’ll make up for it in two’s and creating of the dribble. It will balance it self out. And that draft pick doesn’t really matter. Who ever we got, there wasn’t going to be any playing time for them. (for reference, see J. Anderson). 

  • Dr. Who

    Plus they dump TJ’s 600+k off the books. It gives them much more flexibility than giving RJ amnesty. They get a player the big 3 enjoy playing with and a player Pop loves coaching. There are no stats for that. There are no stats that showed how much RJ was not the fit with Pop or the Spurs.

  • Drock2ps2

    well rj couldnt really ride duncan to a title, he seemed to take a backseat a little too much. jefferson never seemed quite right in the spurs system. jackson in the system has proven one championship in only 2 seasons

  • Dr. Who

    Mostly money & moving RJ’s contract. The list was short for Jax suitors, who else other than the Spurs would take him? Win win for the Spurs. Now they also have someone who can fill in for Manu if he’s hurt due to his playmaking abilities. Spurs killed a few birds with one stone.

  • Dr. Who

    There’s still a chance for Kaman if he’s bought out or Diaw if he’s bought out as well. I’d prefer Diaw, we still need to get the roster back up to 13.

  • Jechalker74

    I like this move… Jefferson has not lived up to the expectations everyone had. He wasn’t the answer for filling the void left by Bruce Bowen.

    We did surrender a first rounder this year however, the move has also freed up a fair amount of cap space while giving us a player who is familiar with the system, brings the necessary tools offensively to fit and we have managed to upgrade a bit more in D with Captain Jack’s presence as well as giving us that little bit of a mongrel attitude that has been missed when Bruce moved on.

  • Jechalker74

    Interesting points Gordon…

    But I think that Captain Jack walking back into his first practice and seeing the banners (including another one) since his last departure wil be all the motivation he will need.

    He looks at his teammates ans sees guys who continue to sims get it done.

    Give it a couple of weeks and I think that we will see a fairly dangerous team heading into the playoffs.

  • Jeremychalker

    I apologize there are some typos… iPhone vs fat fingers… You get my point?

  • Dr. Who

    I don’t agree with many of TD’s “passionate rants” but come on I gotta chime in if he’s calling out a poster who claims “Dan” Bonner plays tenacious D. Spot on that Bonner is a one dimensional player. I’ll admit (like TD) did, his positional D has improved this year, but he’s restricted physically to what he can do. He’s a stretch 4, but unlike Horry this stretch 4 can only shoot 3’s. There is nothing tenacious about Bonner aside from his love of sandwiches and his “tenacious” flame outs in the playoffs. Pop loves Bonner like he did Finley (because they must have pictures of him with a farm animal drinking cheap wine) and gives him minutes other players deserve. the Sunway comment was the funniest @$(( I’d read on this board in a while.

  • Dr. Who

    Welcome back Jim…. I haven’t been that active around here, good to see some knowledge.

    I think they had to include the draft luck because GS was taking on a lot more salary than the Spurs in the deal. People keep forgetting we’re shedding the remaining portion of TJ’s almost $700; plus we save the luxury tax payment for this year on that contract. That’s an extra million.. We have an expiring contract in Jax but save RJ’s 11MM plus TJ’s addition. the Spurs save a total of 12MM. It isn’t unheard of for team to trade a draft pick for savings. Other teams have given up higher draft picks to shed less money. The Clippers come to mind. Plus the pick is lottery protected so it isn’t like we’re giving up a lottery pick for 12MM. I think the Clipps have up the number 1 pick to save 10-11MM. Spurs managed to do that and get a better fit, fan/player/coache’s favorite back who can handle the ball. What’s not to like?

  • DorieStreet

    Stephen Jackson’s career (“the {well-paid} vagabond diaries”)
      2 seasons in SA: 1st season – injuried-shortened;  just 23 games;
                                2nd season – 24 playoff games, 1 title and championship ring.
     
     9 (full) seasons elsewhere       – 34 playoff games in 4 postseason years  –
                                                      two 1st round and two 2nd round exits.
    He’s gotten (and hopefully saved most of) his $$$$. Now he’s been given a chance to play again for a contending team.

  • Aaron

    He has been awful this year 10ppg on 35% shooting, and 27% from three plus he might be done since he’s 33 and clearly not what he was athletically five years ago. Still nice to get rid of RJ.

  • Aaron

    Anyone who just looks at Bonner’s playoff stats can see that clutch exists. Dude’s a career 32.3% three point shooter in the playoffs and 41.8% in the regular season.

  • DorieStreet

    I’m with you about the frontcourt. The Lakers acquired Jordan Hill in a trade with the Rockets. Are the Spurs ever going to obtain a young big man – whether he’s a can’t miss/diamond in the rough/unknown potential (but better than a project)?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1185446334 Gregory D. Navarro

    Sortable NBA players ‘Clutch’ Stats at 82games.com.
    2010-2011 Season
    For these stats “Clutch” is defined as: 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points
    Rank: Stephen Jackson — 18th
    Rank: Richard Jefferson — 143rd

    If those are the sort of stats you need to put it in perspective, how about Jefferson’s shooting stats for the month of March, where the Spurs have been struggling at home.
    RJ: 27.2 Minutes: FG% .279; 3pt FG% .286.Yeah, those aren’t typos.  RJ’s shooting less than 30% from the field and behind the arc. 
    Given the Spurs system, you could argue that RJ’s sole job is to shoot.  
    Now how about them apples?  
    That just be the worst line for any starter in the league — certainly among top-ranked contending teams and it’s not even close.  He hit 87% of his free throws, but the guy doesn’t get to the line very much anymore, something that used to be one of his strengths.  
    Factor in that Jefferson’s been playing CONSISTENT minutes in a well-defined role, without major injuries, in a system he’s had three years to learn, on a team that’s contending for the top spot in the West.  Jax, even with nagging injuries, bad squads, yanked in-and-out-of-lineups, not playing, hasn’t fallen into that sort of abyss.  

    In addition, J.A. Adande, a commentator I usually respect, threw more kindling at the ignoramuses out there by mentioning ‘durability.  Well, with Jefferson balling this bad, if winning is just about having ‘durable’ bodies out there, there’s plenty of D-League wings out there that could put up better numbers once they get acclimated.  
    Or wait, how about just playing the two young guns more: Danny Green and Kawhi Leonard?  Well, they will get more playing time with RJ gone; addition by subtraction.  

    Then again, Jax, supposedly turned injury prone these past three seasons, was asked to do a helluva lot more out there on the court than RJ, the very definition of a two-way player.  The last two years he played 81 games and an eye-popping 39.3 minutes per game; last year 67 games — more than all of this year — at another eye-popping rate of 35.9.  This year he’s down to 27.8 and that’s a lot closer to what they’re likely to be on the Spurs; RJ’s been playing at a similar rate of 28.5.  Before Jax found himself in Skiles dog-house — the real reason his numbers have been up and down — he was averaging closer to 33.5 minutes per game.  Simply put, Jax will have to do less on the Spurs, play less and has plenty of time to get healthy for the playoffs.  Health isn’t going to be the issue here, I promise you that.

  • theghostofjh

     
    We need a defensive, big with decent size and toughness inside that has merely a respectable mid-range “J”. WE DON’T NEED BONNER!

  • theghostofjh

    Yeah, Doc, excellent comment about the financial aspects of the deal!

  • Nick (Italy)

    Not sure judging Jackson based on this season’s stats is the right way to go.

  • theghostofjh

    Spot on, and love the humor!

  • theghostofjh

    Jack can also back-up Kawhi at the 3 spot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1185446334 Gregory D. Navarro

    More feast for thought:
    It really comes down to consistency vs. streaky potency.  Manic Jax vs. RJ bland.  
    RJ, even in this slump, is shooting a very ‘consistent’ 42% from behind the arc.  His 2pt percentage is about average at 41%.  
    But ask yourself, is this guy even capable of going off for a big game, much less in the playoffs. 
    You know what RJ’s best game offensively was for the Spurs.  It was back on November 11th, 2009 in a win against Dallas he went for 29 points, 11-23 from the field (.478%), 5-10 from the line.  Does anyone, including the Spurs coaching staff, believe RJ’s able to put up one of these games again; much less in the playoffs?    
    Jax’s already had a game THIS YEAR where he torched the Spurs for 34 points, on 12-17 shooting, 3-4 from behind the arc, 7-7 from the line, with RJ trying to guard him.
    Hell, Jax is only a year removed from averaging 18.5 on the NBA’s version of Dante’s purgatory, Charlotte, where he had seven — that’s right, seven — 30 point games.  
    Heat:  30 points on 50% shooting
    Cavs:  36 points on 46% shooting
    GS:  31 points on 54% shooting
    Detroit:  39 points on 53% shooting
    Hawks:  32 points on 50% shooting
    Kings:  30 points on 57% shooting
    Orlando:  35 points on 59% shooting.  

    Yeah, Jax is up-and-down and only shot 41% overall last year.  And naturally, he’s going to get fewer shots than on those teams.  
    But in a game of rhythms and hot hands — how often have we used RJ and hot hand in the same sentence and it wasn’t the first half of the game? — on a night where the big three is struggling, Jax is capable of catching a hot streak and just taking over a game single-handedly.  The entire game, not just a half and often, with the DEFENSIVE intensity to match.   

  • theghostofjh

    No offense, but you just wasted a lot of space on a topic you obviously do not fully comprehend.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1185446334 Gregory D. Navarro

    Jax may not be the same player he was five years ago, but defense is not just about physical abilities as knowing where to be on the floor at any given moment.  Some of the stats from his GS days are rather mind-boggling.  This from an article by Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News back in 2007: 

    According to 82games.com, Warriors opponents are shooting 53.5% from the field (the website actually uses ”effective FG%,” which I believe counts a made three-pointer as 1.5 made FGs instead of 1; from now on I’ll just say it’s FG% but you know it’s slightly different, OK?) when Jackson has been off the floor.

    Warriors opponents are shooting an effective 47.3% when Jackson is on the floor, which is a large, large 6.2% difference in SJax’s favor. Huge difference.
    Multiple-game-winning difference.
    * For comparison, through tonight, Marcus Camby, last year’s Defensive Player of the Year, had a 5.3% FG difference in his favor.
    * Artest has a 5.5% FG difference in his favor.
    * Kobe has a 4.5% FG difference in his favor.
    * Weirdly, Tim Duncan has a 2.4% FG difference against him. Spurs opponents shoot better when he’s playing than when he’s not, so far.
    * Bruce Bowen has a 1.0% FG difference against him, too.
    * Ben Wallace has a 3.3% FG difference against him. Whew.
    * Mike Dunleavy has a 3.5% FG difference in his favor, so you never know with stats.
    * Troy Murphy has a 1.7% FG difference against him, so maybe you do know.
    * During Jackson’s seven-game suspension to start the season, the Warriors’ opponents shot 49.5% from the field and averaged 116.3 points.
    Since Jackson’s return, the Warriors’ opponents have shot 44.0% from the field and averaged 100.5. Remember, the Warriors have played six road games and Phoenix and Houston at home in this recent span.
    This is an IMMENSE difference.
    Basically, the Warriors aren’t a very good defensive team without Jackson and they’re pretty good to excellent with him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1185446334 Gregory D. Navarro

    And check out this quote by Baron Davis, which is kinda funny because he essentially admits Jackson’s doing most of the D work by himself:

    “He guards the best player night in and night out. No matter who they are, he’s guarding them… “A lot of guys that get recognition for being all-defensive team, those are the guys who guard their guy man up.  And we don’t give a lot of help to Jack, and he’s still able to guard guys and put them in difficult situations to score…  “I put him right up there with the Ron Artests and the Bruce Bowens as far as ‘threes’ able to defend.”

  • theghostofjh

    Did it ever occur to you that there are things that make players very valuable other than “shooting percentage”? No, I didn’t think so. 

  • theghostofjh

    Well, you’re right about that. Kobe’s efficiency in the clutch is overrated.