How Gregg Popovich could trade his favorite player

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The decision was not an easy one. Few players elicited as much praise or admiration from San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich in pre and post game media sessions as his “favorite player,” George Hill. But understand, if there were a trade to be made, this is probably the right one.

For two consecutive years rumors swirled around the San Antonio Spurs trading their point guard near draft time. After a disappointing first round exit, with Tony Parker fresh off a scapegoat performance, it would have appeared his days in San Antonio were numbered.

But just as Popovich once said “these playoffs aren’t for George Hill,” this NBA Draft was not for Tony Parker. The value past the top five was too diminished to consider trading their star point guard, considering that the no. 1 overall pick, Kyrie Irving, might be a better all around player than Parker himself, but in no way is a safe projection to excel as Parker has.

Instead the Spurs traded George Hill to the Indiana Pacers for the draft rights to the 15th overall pick Kawhi Leonard and a couple of second round picks (projected first round sharpshooter Davis Bertrans, and last year’s no. 46 pick Erazem Lorbek).

The decision, again, was not any easy one, as Jeff McDonald of the Express-News reported.

Though the Spurs are intrigued by Leonard, who at 6-foot-7 gives the Spurs added size at a position where they were small, Buford made clear the night was bittersweet.

“This might have been one of the most difficult nights in Spurs history, as long as we’ve been here,” Buford said. “To lose a player like George Hill, who has meant so much to our team, to our culture, to our locker room, it’s one of the most difficult decisions we’ve had to make.”

But if the Spurs hoped to be immediately better it had to solve leaks, diversify its strengths, and as our own Tim Varner so eloquently put it, solve for pattern. And when a team is forced to build through trades, often times it means parting with important pieces of the rotation (despite recent history).

In this instance Hill was in some ways a redundant strength. Granted, he was the Spurs best perimeter defender for the past two seasons, but he did so from a position that featured the Spurs best two scorers and playmakers.

Crunch time lineups were always going to feature Parker and Ginobili. Hill, as the Spurs fourth best player, deserved to be on the floor as well. But in running three-guard lineups, Hill’s strengths on the defensive end were muted some, with Hill cross matched against bigger shooting guards and small forwards. The further away from his natural defensive position, the less an impact he had.

Of all the Spurs trade assets, Hill was the most desirable combination of youth, athleticism, skills, and contract the Spurs had to offer while still returning positive value.

What the Spurs lose is their best combination of shooting, defense, and competent (though not spectacular or dynamic) ball handling. But so far as skill sets go, Hill on offense was a dime a dozen shooting guard with some plus ball handling ability that fulfilled the role far better than most role players.

Defensively he was not Bruce Bowen, and likely never will be. This is not a criticism of his game, nor does it suggest that his presence will not be sorely missed. But to get better something had to give. And in Gary Neal, James Anderson, and some hopeful combination of Green or Butler, the Spurs can spell George Hill. What they cannot spell is a productive small forward who can hold his own in small lineups.

In Leonard the Spurs hope to have the true small forward they thought they were getting in Richard Jefferson. As Varner pointed out, the loss of Hill has as much to do with Jefferson’s inability to produce in his role relative to the cap figure of his contract. Should the new CBA allow teams one contract reprieve, Leonard may even step in as Jefferson’s immediate replacement.

If Leonard merely reaches the same levels of George Hill (albeit in a different way) the Spurs will have gained greater value simply by getting that production in a different position — one that has been a weakness of sorts. But should Leonard reach his potential the way Hill has maxed out his, the Spurs will have found something far more impactful.

For one, at some point Leonard develops into a starter — whereas Hill was a solid third guard on a championship team.

This is a gamble to be sure. But the Spurs needed an infusion of something. And while Hill may have been better than those who will replace him, the depth of his skill set is hardly irreplaceable. His presence in the locker room and among Spurs fans? That’s a different story for another day.

  • SpurINhouston

    As much as I hate to cheer for any other team than the Spurs, I will root for George Hill whenever the Pacers get some TV time. You’ll be missed Sir IUPUI!

  • i love manu

    this must be the most painful trade i remember in recent history. at the very least hill is going back home. dats the only possible consolation. thanks hill for the memories, go spurs go!

  • grego

    Leonard/Anderson/Green/Butler all are 6’6 and bigger (Leonard with 7’3 wing span). That alone will make sure small ball isn’t so small and all the guys can D up. So it’s easier to see why you can drop Hill from the non-emotional/personal side as opposed to Parker, who’s skill set is more difficult to fill. 

  • Nadeem

    wasnt lorbek a 2005 pick?

  • Chris

    The only positive thing from trading George Hill will be the fact that I don’t have to hear Bill Land cry “OOOEEEE-POOOEEE” anymore.  Gahhh, but that got irritating.

  • Rowrbazzle

    You summed it all up very well. Although I still think Ginobili is a better defender, and not only b/c Hill is limited by his size (as you said), but that’s neither here nor there. I understand the disappointment in seeing a favorite player go, but
    from an objective standpoint it seems pretty straightforward. They made the move they had to make. Very well written article, as usual.

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  • Ephorn09

    What is this mention of ‘contract reprieve’ all about?  Can someone please elaborate?  

  • Anonymous

    Hard to see GHILL go but excited about Leonard too.

  • Carlos

    like you say hill was the best perimetral defender when tony wasn’t in a game, example one with memphis in the end of regular season he is score like 30 pts, i’m not saying that always was like that but just an example of what he can do and what he can be with more play time (we lost that game but manu was hurt with gasol i remember) and the previous season he step up really good, i know that was more expandable becouse he plays in the positions of parker and manu, but we are losing  the best the defender of the team with duncan. we need it size like leonard becouse manu had to play a lot sf so a lot minutes
    but i think we should had been trade  blair and neal together besouse we had overpower of offense in our team that never was an issue this season( i think we were numer 2?) neal was a monster in offense but we know how he is in defense, the same with blair , in the other side hill was good in defense and good on offense, that trade or a parker one with more values in return.now if leonard becomes a good player we are going to trade him after his contract will cost more??  
    i know there’s the inestability of the new cba right now and the big richard’s contract but we know timmy willl opt out and whatever happen timmy making a more flexible contract will help us right?? (sorry for my english)

  • grego

    Basically like part 2 of the amnesty, which Michael Finley was a part of last time it occurred. Basically RJ would be dropped and his salary shredded off the books that count against the cap. 

  • Bob

    I think Hill was overrated defensively and being smaller limited his impact. He was abused pretty badly by OJ Mayo for a guy who is supposed to the best perimeter defender. Maybe this trade opens the way for Jefferson to fill the spot of fourth best player. I think sometimes both of them struggled to be fourth best player at the same time.

  • grego

    Spurs are improving their size. 

    RJ, Leonard, Green, Butler and Anderson are all at least 6’6 with good wingspans which is nice to have. Obviously, not all will make it to playing, but some will. 

  • grego

    He is a PG in name only. Manu was more of a PG than Hill was. Heck, he’s arguably the best passer, but if you can’t run the P&R in the Spurs system, you are fairly useless as a PG for long stretches of time. 

    Blair and Neal wouldn’t get it done. Neal also has a awesome contract for what the Spurs pay him. You don’t give up that easily. 

    Spurs have a bunch of bigger defensive oriented wings aside from this pick that can help fill in the 2 position and play some 3 along with their new draft pick. 

    Anderson/Green/Butler

  • Rob

    What grego said.  Regarding Jefferson.  He never has been a lock down defender.  His game up to joining the Spurs had always been best utilized in a face paced style of play with a distributing oriented PG.  Also, when running transition, Jefferson has always been best as the recipient at the end of a fast break.  The way the Spurs utilize Jefferson on defense rarely allowed R.J. to be that recipient and often forced him to be a distributor.  That too…never a strong suit in R.J.’s game.  Simply put…Jefferson and Parker together as starters does not transcend to getting the best the two have to offer.  Also…Jefferson with age has not developed a consistent means of being formidable other than his earlier, more athletic youth which is declining every year.

    Mr. Varner’s blog http://www.48minutesofhell.com/on-the-spurs-the-2011-nba-draft-and-solving-for-pattern probably sums it up best.

  • Rob

    I for one don’t think this is over.  For the Spurs to trade one of there least expensive, coaching favorite, productive players just in order to try and land (in hope) a better player to play R.J.’s role is probably not setting to well in the throat of the Spur’s coaching staff.  But it had to be done in order to proceed for the future.

    Also, I don’t think Parker is out of the woods regarding everything is hunky-dory now that Hill is gone.  If a trade that could somehow land another top PG and a solid big man in exchange for Parker and Jefferson…(if the Spurs were truly willing to do it in the draft)…don’t be surprised if the Spurs do it later via off season trade after a new CBA is achieved.

  • Totem_29

    why do anything they had the 2nd best record in the NBA. The only reason they lost in the 1st round is they went cold from 3 and couldn”t get to the free throw line.

  • TD BestEVER

    because 61 win teams don’t loose in the 1st round unless they have a fatal flaw…….. And we had like 3 fatal flaws

  • idahospur

    Took some time to take in everything from the draft. Hope Leonard develops quickly and becomes that defensive stopper we need playing the 3. Wouldn’t mind RJ coming off the bench, but do mind paying him to be a starter and a vital role for this team.

    Good luck George Hill in Indiana.

  • TD BestEVER

    Bigs that are out there – cheap and should be available again this summer

    These are the players who we should go after to improve
    our front court at a reasonable cost……. meaning we can get them for around 3million………..which if we want to we can scrape up
    enough cheap assets and picks to make it happen…………

    1st Minnesota just drafted another PF…..they already have like 4 on the roster………

    Willams

    Love

    Beasley

    Randolph

    The last 2 have to be on the trading block……..Just have to come up with a good offer

    Michael Beasley – 22 6/10 can shoot and rebound….plays the 3 or
    4…… Can be the best player on a good playoff team……getting
    better each year…… Only 5million – MLE

    Randolph – 21 6/11 A poor man’s version of Beasley….. He can play the
    3/4 and has range out to 21ft – Can become another Chris Bosh……Only
    2million

    2nd Kings still have more talent than they can possibly play in a single game……Most notable

    Jason Thompson – 24 6/11 – long arms and Dice like Range on jumpshot –
    has had an up and down career so far…..has not been happy with
    role/minutes on Sac……. perfect situation to steal away an unhappy
    player

    3rd Denver – yes The fruits on the Carmelo trade mean that Denver has
    WAYYYYYYYYY too many 4/5’s on the roster and they all want
    minutes……look at this list of 4 and 5 men

    Al Harrington

    Kosta Koufos

    Timofey Mosgov

    Kenyon Martin

    Nene Halario

    Danilo Gallinari

    Wilson Chandler

    Chris “Birdman” Anderson

    Melvin Ely

    They have to let go of about half of those guys……. especially with
    Chandler/Galo both capable of playing PF and played some PF this
    year……

    Guys most likely to leave are…..

    Anderson

    Harrington

    Martin

    Ely

    But that Still leaves either on the trading block…..they are both
    young Centers and both want to play……. but with Nene eating up all
    the Center minutes it leaves an odd man out…….

    Koufos – 22, 7ft, 265 – BANGER……. will only get better – 1.3 million

    Masgov – 24, 7/1, 250 – Athletic for his size – Nice post game – again will only get better with minutes…… 3.5million

    Surprise Pick up that’s out there

    76ers

    Marreese Speights – 23 6/10 255 – athletic and talented – fell out
    of favor with Doug Collins and the young 6er team – was on the block
    last year around the trade deadline but the deal fell thru late with
    Portland…..

    That’s the list so far but stay tuned

  • TD BestEVER

    Bigs that are out there – cheap and should be available again this summer

    These are the players who we should go after to improve
    our front court at a reasonable cost……. meaning we can get them for around 3million………..which if we want to we can scrape up
    enough cheap assets and picks to make it happen…………

    1st Minnesota just drafted another PF…..they already have like 4 on the roster………

    Willams

    Love

    Beasley

    Randolph

    The last 2 have to be on the trading block……..Just have to come up with a good offer

    Michael Beasley – 22 6/10 can shoot and rebound….plays the 3 or
    4…… Can be the best player on a good playoff team……getting
    better each year…… Only 5million – MLE

    Randolph – 21 6/11 A poor man’s version of Beasley….. He can play the
    3/4 and has range out to 21ft – Can become another Chris Bosh……Only
    2million

    2nd Kings still have more talent than they can possibly play in a single game……Most notable

    Jason Thompson – 24 6/11 – long arms and Dice like Range on jumpshot –
    has had an up and down career so far…..has not been happy with
    role/minutes on Sac……. perfect situation to steal away an unhappy
    player

    3rd Denver – yes The fruits on the Carmelo trade mean that Denver has
    WAYYYYYYYYY too many 4/5’s on the roster and they all want
    minutes……look at this list of 4 and 5 men

    Al Harrington

    Kosta Koufos

    Timofey Mosgov

    Kenyon Martin

    Nene Halario

    Danilo Gallinari

    Wilson Chandler

    Chris “Birdman” Anderson

    Melvin Ely

    They have to let go of about half of those guys……. especially with
    Chandler/Galo both capable of playing PF and played some PF this
    year……

    Guys most likely to leave are…..

    Anderson

    Harrington

    Martin

    Ely

    But that Still leaves either on the trading block…..they are both
    young Centers and both want to play……. but with Nene eating up all
    the Center minutes it leaves an odd man out…….

    Koufos – 22, 7ft, 265 – BANGER……. will only get better – 1.3 million

    Masgov – 24, 7/1, 250 – Athletic for his size – Nice post game – again will only get better with minutes…… 3.5million

    Surprise Pick up that’s out there

    76ers

    Marreese Speights – 23 6/10 255 – athletic and talented – fell out
    of favor with Doug Collins and the young 6er team – was on the block
    last year around the trade deadline but the deal fell thru late with
    Portland…..

    That’s the list so far but stay tuned

  • Anonymous

    I’ve got a thought on how we could go about next season. Say, for instance, we don’t trade RJ. Everyone knows that RJ plays (marginally) better with Manu than with TP. Say then we start with Tony, Anderson, Leonard, Blair/Acquired PF, Tim. This would be a very risky strategy, and one that Pop would likely dismiss, but it could potentially be very rewarding.

    Firstly it allows RJ to come off the bench, with Manu, Neal, Splitter & either Bonner/Blair/Acquired PF. This would depend a lot on Manu and Neal creating, moreso Manu but with him coming of the bench (and our depth at wing) we could reduce his minutes to around 27/8 per game during the regular season. Then obviously that Joseph kid could get spot minutes depending on how we’re rolling.

    This starting line up would also give us size and, importantly, more athleticism at the wing positions. Both guys are around 6’6 or 6’7 and both appear to be at least solid defensively. With Anderson’s outside shooting touch and Leonard’s ability to slash to the rim they could play off each other’s strengths on offense. I’ve heard a lot of the talking heads say that Leonard is also a solid ball-handler and can be quite creative with his passing. If true that means that on the offensive side of the ball Andersen could play as the SF due to his ability to hit the outside shot and then Leonard could be your secondary ball-handler/SG.

    Don’t get me wrong I understand Pop’s reluctance to play rookies serious minutes and I also understand his even greater reluctance to start rookies so I know that this strategy is extremely unlikely but I’m just offereing suggestions. But who would be our starting PF???

  • Ryan McShane

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erazem_Lorbek

    Yes, he was. 

    It’s okay though, I thought he was this year’s 46th when I saw the proposed trade. Considering he’s 27 and at the peak age of the typical basketball career, I imagine he’ll be playing with the Spurs this coming season if they don’t pick up a big man through trade or free agency after all of this CBA stuff rolls past. He might even be playing this season regardless… they’re desperate for some big men. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOBSLs3zLJ4

  • Anonymous

    Good analysis man. There’s some guys there that we should definitely be looking at. Mozgov would be a great pick up but Denver are very high on him.

    Obviously Randolph intrigues everyone (on this blog lol). He is surely the most likely to be traded out of their rotation of bigs. I would take him in a heartbeat but I don’t know what Minnesota really need. They’ve stockpiled PGs, SFs & PFs. Maybe they’re lacking shooting, how about Bonner & Neal for him straight up. Obviously it’s a long shot but we could just float it out there.

    Finally Speights is an interesting player. He is very talented and athletic on the offensive end but, forgive if I’m wrong, did he not fall out of the rotation in Philly due to lack of effort.

    P.S 
    Some additional players to add to the list could be Reggie Evans, Chuck Hayes, Semih Erden… etc. Cleveland are stacked with bigs so we could maybe get someone from them for cheap (Maybe even someone like Samardo Samuels, very raw but looked quite good in a few games I seen him.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brandon-Davalos/100000015272631 Brandon Davalos

    Man that would be freaking awesome !

  • GOSPURSGO

    when a team lives and dies by the 3, which the spurs definitely did this year, you more often than not, die in the playoffs.  plus our post production was, say it with me, H-O-R-R-E-N-D-O-U-S!  Not just mediocre, subpar or fell short, but terrible.  Timmy needs help down low, AND the spurs needed to clear up their backcourt, which hopefully they are not done with, a-la Tony needs to be traded for a younger point guard with an attitude primed for a championship and RJ needs to go.  If someone like Splitter, Quinn or even the newly drafted Jones needs to go, there at least must be some valid replacements.  As Blanchard said earlier, the solution must be a good solution both now, in the future, and to the organism as a whole.  Don’t create another RJ situation with a bad solution.  The spurs won’t even win 61, which btw is not even the franchise’s best, next year without a different 3 forward, AND help in the paint.  We saw how Blair was shut down by Z-Bo and that the only help for Tim was McD.  I loved the Blair trade out of Pitt, bc sleepers like that always seem to work out for the spurs (Manu, Stephen Jackson, Tony Parker, and even Malik for a while).  But now it seems Blair is more a hindrance than help, because he is a smaller, albeit aggressive, version of Z-Bo, but has no shot to speak of.  If you are not going to contribute on offense, you must be Bruce Bowen and shut down everything outside or be a better Blair and dominate the paint.  He’ll have to play like he’s 7’1 if he wants to continue to be a post player and especially if he wants to play in SA.

  • Ryan McShane

    “TRADE! Ric Bucher reports that San Antonio is sending George Hill to Indiana for the rights to Kawhi Leonard. Like it for both teams. Van Gundy’s take: “When San Antonio does a deal, I always think they’re right.” Somewhere, the people watching this draft with Richard Jefferson are sitting in awkward silence.” – Bill Simmons’ reaction in his “Draft Diary” 

  • Colin Rigney

    I like Jason Thompson out of that bunch.  Dude is a PLAYER!

  • DorieStreet

    I see you’re looking at worst case scenario:  CBA expiring and league coming to a stop for the rest of the 2011.  RJ could buy into it–he and Manu coming in together with Splitter and younger PF for some fast-break ball off of defensive steals/stops/turnovers.

    The injuries at the beginning of the 2008-09 season forced Pop to play Hill as a rookie. Now the coach has to adjust again and play the younger players because that is what the squad will be composed of mostly.

    7+ NBA years:  Tim    RJ    Tony    Manu    Bonner 
    5 to 8 years   – acquired  PF (replaceing McDyess) 

    5 years                    Novak       Quinn      
    3 years or less        Blair    Green   Neal   Anderson  Splitter  
    Rookies                  Butler    Leonard    Josepth

    I know the Spurs usually only have 12 active on the roster for the season, but I think that has to change also, say 14 players suit up.

  • Techsan

    I’ve been thinking this as well. If it’s so obvious to the fans that RJcan’t play with Parker than the staff should see it as well.

    This would optimize both line-ups as well as getting the young players prepared for the playoffs. The last rookies that started for the Spurs were Parker and Manu, that worked out pretty well towards their development

  • Doggydogworld

     Just to be clear, his salary would not count against the cap or luxury tax but the Spurs would still have to pay him. Some other team would get him for the veteran’s minimum of 1.3m/year. He’d be a godsend for a team that was maxed out on salary but needed a strong, athletic, hardworking small forward who can slash and also shoot 40% from the arc. Just as Fin was a godsend for us.

  • grego

    He fits on the starting more than the bench. Starting requires the shooting. The bench is where they need to have more power and athleticism now that Manu isn’t there any longer. Neal was really the only force off the bench with Hill every so often bringing it. 

  • Titletown99030507d

    As a person I liked Hill and appreciated his athleticism, but that’s one less person ignoring Split on the PNR. He seemed to look for Blair more than Split. That would drive me nuts. But that’s over with time to move forward.

  • Anonymous

    Huge mistake. They should have kept Hill and shopped Parker for a big. The ONLY way the Spurs get over the hump is to get a young big man like a  Z Randolph or Tyson Chandler. Hill showed himself to be a clutch player and his defensive prowess was a huge asset. I’m not dissing Parker- he’s the most underrated guard in the league – but Manu and Hill in the backcourt with a young, athletic big playing alongside Timmy would be a much better trade.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I like Koufos and Thompson. Jason being more athletic but Koufus can score just as well and for the money I’d like to see the Spurs FO get him in trade. TD what would it take with what we got and what we are willing to give up for someone like Koufus?

  • Nima K.

    My thoughts:

    1. Leonard isnt going to solve our defensive problems alone. We need to make more changes.

    2. We made an error at the #29 pick. i certainly hope RC’s son playing with Joseph wasnt merely the reason we picked him. The least is that if we were gonna pick Joseph, we couldve traded down, and still have him. A 29th pick is something you shouldnt waste. Seems to me, Joseph was picked to play for the Toros, not the Spurs. i.e. we just got ourselves another Marcus Williams.

    3. We still need a big. I dont see us doing any better next season, with this composition. Talent alone wont compensate for athletic size. The laws of physics dictate that rule, and theres no easy way around it.

    4. Lorbek wont ever see the NBA, just like Sanikidze and Karaulov. Which is why I question the wisdom of the so called draft and stash method the Spurs keep having.
     

  • TD BestEVER

    I think you can only have the 12 siut up each game…..but can have 15 in San Antonio……3 in street clothes in case on injury……it also gives them some extra practice time vs the A team………And POP could rest(not suit up) the Vets against the really bad teams and play all the young guys to get them minutes……….

  • TD BestEVER

    I think you can only have the 12 siut up each game…..but can have 15 in San Antonio……3 in street clothes in case on injury……it also gives them some extra practice time vs the A team………And POP could rest(not suit up) the Vets against the really bad teams and play all the young guys to get them minutes……….

  • TD BestEVER

    It’s hard to say right now………NBA trade machine is waiting in FA to resolve before it will be back up and working……..

    But Hill would have been an excellent trade to Denver for Koufos or Mosgov…….. w/o him we might have to send Anderson and a 2nd rd pick to get Koufos……

    Speights should be available for a young, cheap BIG and a pick as well (that was the deal on the table back in Feb. The one that fell thru because Portland pulled off the Gerald Wallace trade instead……………. he might also be available for a wing player, depending on what Philly does in early FA……..

  • KOBE4MVP

    you are stupid. Tyson Chandler? Hill couldn’t start his way out of a paper bag (as the pg, at least)

  • Sam

    Are you stupid? Tyson Chandler killed your team in the playoffs.

  • Sam

    Young big man? Z-BO and Tyson both are 30 years old. 

  • td4life

    Would have vastly preferred Paul George for a proven asset like Hill, especially if we weren’t able to ship out one of last summer’s HUGE mistakes (Bonner, RJ) in the deal. Hill was one of our most tradeable assets, and we get back a non-scorer who’s a long, long way from being a defensive presence in the SuperGlue Bowen mold.  Here’s hoping that Mr. Anderson and Leonard prove to a potent defensive combination. Here’s to their HEALTH!! But Hill was capable of being consistently dangerous on O if he had the role of attacking, attacking, attacking as the 6th man! Hate to see him go, guard depth and payroll notwithstanding, for such a gamble in return. Disappointed in the 29th pick.

    Can we ante up and get ourselves a legit bigman, now?

  • Titletown99030507d

    Z-BO and Chandler are not coming here. They demand money we can’t give. Besides why would they come here after having success. I say go after Kosta Koufos 7′ 265lbs. Great shooter, shot blocker and has athleticism for a big man. Denver has some centers that aren’t going to see time and he might be one of them. At a little over 1 mil per last season he can easily be our MLE.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Hey Laker fan no need for names. Go troll the your own blog.

  • Titletown99030507d

    didn’t they move it up to 13 suited up the season that just finished?

  • Titletown99030507d

    That should be next season’s strategy as long as we get into the playoffs.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Koufos was contracted for only a little over a million last season and I hate to say it but he may be better than Splitter. Did I say that?

  • Daniel T

    They’d be paying Jefferson for another 3 years to not play for them?  Seems unlikely.  Hopefully they find some team willing to trade for him.

  • TD BestEVER

    LOL yes you did….And here is one right back at you…..In order to get Speights from Philly….we will probably need to send them BLAIR……… did I just say that?????