James Anderson out 8 weeks with stress fracture in foot

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Awesome. Just when things were looking good for the youth and depth of this Spurs team. First, the Spurs waive Garrett Temple, which — though not totally unsurprising — is slightly disappointing. And now, Jeff McDonald reports that Anderson will be out for about two months.

Turns out, it will be the last action Anderson will see for some time. Thursday afternoon, team doctors determined Anderson has a stress fracture in his right foot. He will undergo surgery next week to insert a pin, and is expected to miss eight weeks recovering.

“It’s weird how it happened,” point guard Tony Parker said. “He woke up this morning and told us the news, and it was like, ‘Oh wow.’ It’s bad, because he was playing well.”

Anderson was diagnoses with a stress fracture in the fifth metatarsal, a cumulative injury that typically builds up over time. He was off to a good start to his rookie season, averaging seven points in his first seven games while making half his 3-point shots (10 of 20).

Crap. It’s obvious that Anderson was playing well and looked like he was going to be a vital part of the rotation this season.

Where I’m concerned is what will happen come playoff time. Gregg Popovich is slow to trust rookies when it comes to playoff minutes, but Anderson looked in the early going like he was going to be able to buck that trend.

Now that he’s going to miss two months of his rookie season, I wonder how much Pop will trust Anderson come postseason because of all the repetitions he missed. I fear he’ll have a similar playoff impact to George Hill two seasons ago.

If you’re wondering about his injury, the fifth metatarsal is the bone that runs along the outside of your foot. I actually broke mine playing basketball my freshman year of high school, mine wasn’t a stress fracture though.

The reason it takes so long to heal is because there is very little blood flow on the side of your foot. I didn’t end up getting surgery for mine. Just a whole lot of ice and immobility.

Is Bobby Simmons still unemployed?

[Update: Here is the official statement from the Spurs.]

The San Antonio Spurs today announced that guard James Anderson has been diagnosed with a stress fracture in his right fifth metatarsal. Early next week, Anderson will undergo surgery at which time a screw will be inserted in his metatarsal. He is expected to miss approximately eight weeks.

  • rob

    Hobson13

    I would be OK with your proposal. Though I would hate to give up Hill’s known commodities to this team for a potential in Thompson…it is one of the most logical proposals I’ve seen.

    Neal’s offense, Anderson defense and scoring probably could offset what would be lost in Hill. I’m not so sure about what the team would lose in PG production if Hill were to leave though?

    But it might be worth it to secure another good big.

  • rob

    Jim Henderson

    “How about if we sent Splitter & Gee to Washington for JaVale McGee & Kevin Seraphin (Seraphin is and intriguing PF prospect – not NBA ready – have in Austin until next year when McDyess leaves).”

    Hollinger’s projection is a -44 wins in this trade scenario. Not that it means all that much when looking at a + or – when it’s projected by 8 or 10 either way….but a -44 wins?

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    It’s fun to play fantasy GM but Splitter isn’t going anywhere. I would also feel confident saying Hill isn’t going anywhere either unless we could package him for someone like Perkins in Boston.

    I just don’t think there are going to be any major personnel changes. Most of our guys are signed to multi year deals with the exception of Dice and Timmy. Barring injury, Timmy will be back. Who, if anyone, will take Dice’s rotation slot will be the “big change” for next year. There is an option for next year for him.

    What we see is probably what we’ve got unless something special falls into RC’s lap.

  • td4life

    I have to concur that splitter isn’t going anywhere.

    Hobson’s deal is interesting… bonner, blair, and parker/hill are our most tradeable players… and I love the idea of getting back a big without giving one up. Unfortunately, this deal doesn’t help us defensively, and I think Thompson is headed for an unremarkable NBA career.

  • JustinFL

    Lol

    After last night this is what we should be doing…
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2b66zu4

    with whatever draft picks we had 2 throw in
    i love fantasy land; my only question, would it be worth it because we really need shotblocking and Love’s strengths are rebounding and scoring

  • spursfanbayarea

    @Jim
    McGee is more of a prospect than splitter. His game in extremeley raw. Very similar to a very young tyson chandler. McGee can jump out of the gym, but is a lot of times out of position and makes to many mistakes at this point. Splitter just needs to get his legs under him. Splitter is a better positional defender than him already.

  • rj

    i think anderson will work his was back into the rotation. if he returns on the rodeo raod trip, that will be a good chance for him to gel with the team. even though he has worked his way into the rotation early, we aren’t asking to much of him. basically, his job is to defend and take the open shots.

  • Jim Henderson

    spursfanbayarea
    November 13th, 2010 at 8:41 am

    “McGee is more of a prospect than splitter. His game in extremeley raw.”

    I acknowledged that in my previous post. McGee also has more upside, and he’s twice the shot-blocker NOW. We have positional defenders. We don’t have shot-blockers. WE NEED A RIM PROTECTOR or we aren’t going anywhere. Many don’t seem to understand that. Splitter is too slow latterly for our front line. He’s one of the slowest 4/5’s in the league latterly. He will help us some, and he’s a good player fundamentally, but just not a great fit for our team short or long-term with respect to lack of shot-blocking/lateral quickness.

  • Jim Henderson

    If we had a 28 year old Tim Duncan, Splitter would be fine.

  • spursfanbayarea

    @Jim
    McGee is definitely a better shot blocker than Splitter. But we don’t need a player who can only block shots. We need a shot blocker who is smart enough to play in the spurs system. Mcgee would be too lost in the system. Also he does not have any playoff experience. He would get picked apart in the playoffs. Splitter does not have any NBA playoff experience either, but has postseason experience in other leagues and wouldn’t be our primary option. Splitter is only two weeks into his nba career and has a good overall game so far. He will get better as the season progresses. Jefferson who is a seasoned veteran took a full year to get the system.
    McGee is about two years away from being a solid contributor to a playoff championship caliber team.
    McGee would be completely lost out there. He would be a taller Ian. We all know how that worked out.

  • rj

    wow. javale mcgee. 7ft 250 age 22. the only argument i can make for not including splitter in a trade for mcgee is splitter will be our solid position defender in the future. i don’t think he’s THAT slow

  • td4life

    Anybody vote for acquiring McGee for Blair and Gee? Not that I believe Washington would make that move (unless they could also find away to move Arenas in such a deal), but I probably would if I’m RC.

  • zainn

    i think that splitter isnt really THAT slow, i mean you cant use his current nba footage to see that cause he just got on the court a week ago, and he probably hasnt been in shape after being at his honeymoon all summer. splitter will get faster and stronger, just give him a chance. also, mcgee dosent have too much of a post game… or isnt as willing as splitter is in taking charges…

  • Jim Henderson

    spursfanbayarea
    November 13th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    “But we don’t need a player who can only block shots.”

    The idea that all McGee does is block shots is ridiculous. He could not start for ANY team in the NBA if that’s ALL he did. And by the way, McGee’s not just “a better shot-blocker than Splitter”, he’s a WAY better shot-blocker (top-five in the entire league!), has the potential to play better low-post “D”than what he’s showed thus far, and is physically more gifted.

    “Mcgee would be too lost in the system.”

    Where is your evidence for that?

    “Also he does not have any playoff experience.”

    Neither does Splitter. The Euroleague stuff is not equivalent. The fact is, Splitter is too slow latterly on an already not too quick front line.

    “….and (Splitter) wouldn’t be our primary option.”

    McGee wouldn’t be our primary option either.

    “McGee is about two years away from being a solid contributor to a playoff championship caliber team.”

    Where are you getting that from?

    “McGee would be completely lost out there. He would be a taller Ian. We all know how that worked out.”

    That’s absurd, and a silly comparison.

    rj
    November 13th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    “i don’t think he’s THAT slow..”

    Really? Name one good PF/C in the league that has slower lateral quickness.
    , AND a smaller vertical jump.

    td4life
    November 13th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Anybody vote for acquiring McGee for Blair and Gee?”

    You’re implying that you’d rather keep Splitter over Blair. Why?

    zainn
    November 13th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    “i think that splitter isnt really THAT slow….”

    Again, I ask you to document what good 4/5 in the league is slower “latterly”?

    Read more: http://www.48minutesofhell.com/james-anderson-out-8-weeks-with-stress-fracture-in-foot#ixzz15DPyy8Xl

  • http://48minutesofhell.com Andrew A. McNeill

    For those wondering, James Anderson doesn’t have a cast or boot on his broken foot yet. I would imagine that will come after his surgery next week. But he looks to walk pretty well, without a noticeable limp. I imagine this is one of those injuries that the team wants to deal with early in the season, so it doesn’t pop up, or break worse, later in the season.

  • spursfanbayarea

    @Jim
    So you are the only one who is capable of analyzing talent? How is it that only you can analyze talent but yet everyone else has to bring out sources to voice their opinion.

    “has the potential to play better low-post “D”than what he’s showed thus far”
    -Yeah but he hasn’t. And potential doesn’t guarantee any results.

    “and is physically more gifted.”
    So what. That doesnt equate to being a better basketball player. Duncan was never the best athlete but yet is top pf of all time.

    Translating mcgees stat on a bad team does not necessarily mean he will get those stats on a better team. Lot of average players get stats on bad teams.

  • Jim Henderson

    whatever

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    Tiago just had a great half a period on the floor.

    Took a charge after getting isolated at the elbow. Very very impressive

    Sets a good screen and is very active in doing it. He sets alot of them.

    I’m pretty “high” on Tiago. We haven’t even seen his passing, post up game or midrange game. I don’t agree that his ceiling is to be as good as Anderson V. But hey, that’s just me.

  • The Beat Counselor

    You guys are funny.

    I love this blog.

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    November 13th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    “I don’t agree that his (Splitter’s) ceiling is to be as good as Anderson V. But hey, that’s just me.”

    This is what I said from the “Splitter” thread:

    “If we’re fortunate, he’ll (Splitter) be as good or slightly better than Anderson Varejao.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I take it that you think Splitter could be more than slightly better than Varejao. Care to elaborate and give some of your reasoning?

  • Jim Henderson

    Remember to take into account that Varejao made all-defensive 2nd team last year. Splitter’s got two years to get there at the same age.

  • td4life

    Lenn,

    Where did you here that Splitter’s ceiling is Varejao? Tiago has been the MVP of national teams that included both Varejao and Nene. Never mind his ceiling, he is already better. What his NBA role is remains to be seen, but if he were on as weak a team as Andy is, he would prove to be a better, more versatile player.

    Jim,

    I wasn’t implying anything other than I like Tiago better, if building rosters. He can score efficiently today. And he is a better defender today. I’ll take his length. I don’t mind having 3 or 4 big defenders (TD, Dice, Tiago, McGee), 3 of whom are 2-way players. We may not be able to replace Blair, but in the long-term we can find some undersized forwards who can contribute much easier than true centers who can play (the more the merrier… I love 3 legit true big man rotation (and Splitter and McGee is worth having)).

    In the short-term, it may not be perfect, I’m not in love with it, but I see it as an upgrade.

    That said, I know Washington wouldn’t make that trade for essentially the reasons I mentioned.

    Still have yet to hear anyone give it up for Tyson Chandler. He could have helped us.

  • td4life

    Anybody worried about picking up our 2nd loss tomorrow night? Is that the first game of the season that we are underdogs?

    Durant makes it look so easy, like it’s happening in slow motion.

    Westbrook is much improved this season, and who do we expect to guard him?

  • Jim Henderson

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say that the following excerpts in a write-up from draft express was about Tiago Splitter:

    “Has decent size and good bulk. Isn’t a great athlete, but gets more out of what he has than almost any other player in the League. Doesn’t have the best offensive skills, but does the little things on both ends……

    ……Gets most of his offensive touches in typical hustle player fashion: from offensive rebounds and cuts to the rim. Doesn’t have any midrange game. Has a mediocre at best midrange jumper that is more of a push than a shot. Does a ton of dirty-work underneath as soon as he gets on the floor. Has good touch at the rim. Uses fakes well to get open looks when he is posted up. Fights hard for position. Runs the floor relentlessly. Sets great screens and rolls to the basket extremely well. Won’t dunk unless he has a clear path the rim, but doesn’t get blocked as often as other players with similar habits. Is capable of putting the ball on the floor, but isn’t going to do a whole lot once he does. Not turnover prone…….

    ……Takes charges better than any player in the League. Moves unbelievably well from the weak-side, and almost always sets up outside of the restricted area. Won’t block many shots when rotating. Will get on the floor for loose balls. Knows how to work officials and draw offensive fouls using his body language. Works hard in the post to deny entry passes.”

    That write-up is from 2 years ago about Anderson Varejao.

    Now if you notice in my assessment, I noted that Splitter “could” be slightly better than Varejao. The reason is because I think he’s a better passer than Varejao, and may be more aggressive in his scoring attempts in the low block (I’m not yet convinced that he’ll be quite as good of a defender, however). Thus, in Splitter’s peak years I look for him to perhaps score a bit more than Varejao’s 8 ppg., but probably a ceiling of about 12 ppg., give or take about one ppg.

    The main reason I put the ceiling at that point for Splitter is because he has way below average “lateral” quickness for NBA 4/5’s, and lateral quickness is an innate physical attribute that is very important to defending at an elite level. Even Mr. Fundamental, Tim Duncan, in his prime years had much better lateral quickness than Splitter.

    Having a slightly better Anderson Varejao on your team is something to be quite pleased about in my view. Let’s just hope Splitter can make it happen over the next few years.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    “Correct me if I’m wrong, but I take it that you think Splitter could be more than slightly better than Varejao. Care to elaborate and give some of your reasoning?”

    You bet.

    When comparing these two, statistics will only tell a small part. Keep in mind ages, years in the NBA and the different teams. For example, Tiago is going to have an impossible team matching Andy’s rebounding stats. Tiago is teamed with far superior rebounders than Andy. Also, it’s ridiculous to compare this years statistics. Tiago is coming off an injury and just getting his feet wet with a new team and an entirely new league.

    It’s important to try to capture what each player brings to the team.

    Tiago has a similar defensive style as Andy, not a shock considering their similar pedigree. The edge would have to go to Andy because of what he’s accomplished in the NBA but the edge is small. Tiago has impressive defensive skills and just hasn’t had a chance to showcase them yet.

    Offensively is where Tiago has a much higher ceiling than Andy. Andy gets the majority of his points from offensive rebounding with occasional finishes at the rim from cutting. Every blue moon he’ll curl to the hoop and has an average running hook. On the other hand, Tiago has a similar skill set within the PNR and the offensive glass. But he far exceeds Andy other ways offensively. He has post moves and a midrange game, where Andy has very very limited skills in those categories. Tiago has a fine midrange jumper (which has not been seen in the NBA yet but you can see it here http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=swj7Nx_uxlA) It’s not surprising that Tiago is a far better passer. Tiago can pass out of the post or from the free throw line (pinch post). Tiago has the potential to become a player that draws a double team from the post during his prime years. That’s why offensively, Tiago’s “ceiling” is quite a bit higher than Andy’s.

  • Jim Henderson

    td4life
    November 13th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    “What his NBA role is remains to be seen, but if he were on as weak a team as Andy is, he would prove to be a better, more versatile player.”

    Varejao has been buried for much of his prime years as the 4th, 5th, 6th option on a team that’s averaged about 55 wins per season over the past 5 years, including EC semi-finalists twice, finalists once, and NBA finals once.

    “He can score efficiently today.”

    What evidence are you looking at that he can score efficiently today? Compared to what?

    “I’ll take his length.”

    His length is not that great. He has the same wing span as Blair, two inches more in standing reach, but Blair has at least a two inch higher vertical leap. Plus Blair has about twenty pounds on Splitter, is quicker laterally, and will always kill Tiago on the boards. And why ALL the emphasis on today? Blair is four years younger and has more upside as a player. If you’re the owner of the franchise you can’t discount that to pretty much nothing.

    “We may not be able to replace Blair, but in the long-term we can find some undersized forwards who can contribute much easier than true centers who can play…”

    In my view you’re overestimating Splitter’s overall abilities, and greatly discounting the importance of rebounding. The TD, McDyess, Blair, & McGee combo represents a much better blend of scoring, defense, and rebounding, with even more potential in year 2-3 and beyond.

    “That said, I know Washington wouldn’t make that trade for essentially the reasons I mentioned.”

    You’re saying that Washinton is not going to make any trades unless they can move an unmovable Arenas? Why?

    “Still have yet to hear anyone give it up for Tyson Chandler. He could have helped us.”

    Chandler’s been playing well. I’ve always liked him, but shied away from him because of his nasty, seemingly chronic injury problems (and his large contract – we don’t have money-bags Cuban). Knock on wood, so far so good for Dallas.

  • Hobson13

    td4life
    November 13th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
    “Anybody worried about picking up our 2nd loss tomorrow night? Is that the first game of the season that we are underdogs?”

    I think we have a decent chance tomorrow night. Our starters didn’t play too many minutes and it’s not like they’re flying cross country. If the Big 4 continue to play well, I really don’t fear the Thunder. After all, we won the season series last year 3-1? They are a good team, but they aren’t the second best in the West no matter what happens tomorrow night.

    With that said, we will finally begin to play some real teams and see what we are truly made of. If we lose by 15+ points tomorrow night (not saying we will) then I would be concerned. If we win, however, it should be a big boost for us. Either way around it, the Thunder should be a good early season litmus test.

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    November 13th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    “Also, it’s ridiculous to compare this years statistics. Tiago is coming off an injury and just getting his feet wet with a new team and an entirely new league.”

    Fine, so we have no real statistics to use to base our glowing perception of Splitter. Then I presume you’re about to give me your reasoning beyond the stats?

    “The edge (defensively) would have to go to Andy because of what he’s accomplished in the NBA, but the edge is small.

    But we don’t really know how “big” the edge is as yet. We have not yet seen enough of Splitter.

    “Tiago has impressive defensive skills and just hasn’t had a chance to showcase them yet.”

    How do you know that his defensive skills are that great when he has not yet had a reasonably sufficient chance to exhibit them against some of the toughest veteran 4/5 covers in the NBA?

    “He has post moves and a midrange game, where Andy has very very limited skills in those categories.”

    Have you seen Splitter do much scoring as yet in the low post since being in the NBA, against mainly the opponent’s 2nd units? I haven’t. And I’ve seen NO evidence from Splitter that he has a mid-range game even as good as Varejao’s. Point out to me where he’s even made one mid-range shot during his now 82 minutes of NBA action. You can’t be serious about using a youtube video of his greatest hits in set shots over in Europe. That is not evidence of an NBA mid-range game.

    “It’s not surprising that Tiago is a far better passer.”

    Tiago is a better passer, as I’ve already acknowledged. That’s one of the reasons that I give him a chance to slightly exceed Varejao as an all-around player.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    November 13th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Hobson, what are your thoughts on the McGee trade I proposed?

    Jim Henderson
    November 13th, 2010 at 2:27 am

  • td4life

    JH,

    “You’re saying that Washinton is not going to make any trades unless they can move an unmovable Arenas”

    No, I’m saying Washington might take Splitter for McGee, but would not take Blair for McGee.

    I don’t see Blair’s vertical jump advantage over Splitter in game situations except perhaps on the boards, neither is gonna be a world-class shot-blocker.

    I prefer to win now. But hypothetically, I wouldn’t sneeze at a big man rotation that included both Splitter and McGee. I think all the guys we are talking about are hard to find, but tall centers who can play are the hardest guys to get.

    As I’ve said many times, I don’t see forsee a trade. I really doubt the Spurs trade Splitter. Pop loves a polished guy, and who can blame him. From what I’ve seen this season, Tiago really knows how to play. Far better than McGee or J Thompson. Blair is a smart player, but he has an awful lot of learning to do. However, Blair does have great energy, passion, and (especially when he’s involved) tons of confidence. So far, Blair looks good operating in the paint and playing with tony and manu. Tiago looked decent even when on the floor with gee and quinn.

  • Hobson13

    Jim Henderson
    November 13th, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    You propose an interesting trade. As, I believe, you stated, this would be more of a trade for the future than a win-now trade. From what little I know about McGee, I see that he can easily be a force on the defensive end (if he already isn’t) but probably needs quite a bit of work on the offensive end. His scouting report says he can hit the 15 footer which is nice and he has tremendous hops and good length for a big man. We’re already seeing him use these attributes with his insane blocks so far this season.

    Seraphin, in my opinion, has more potential on offense than McGee. If he can extend his shooting range a bit more and learn to hit those mid range jumpers with that Rasheed Wallace-like release, he could be an interesting pickup. He seems to be a very strong player with a relatively quick first jump for a guy so heavy. He’s definitely a project, but if he panned out, he would be a big PF and a load to handle.

    Basically you propose to trade Splitter (with Gee as a throw in) for a good shot blocking/defensive big (McGee) and last years #17 pick (Seraphin). That’s a pretty good deal. However, wouldn’t that leave our front court a bit crowded next year with Blair, Duncan, Bonner (unfortunately), McGee, Seraphin, and possibly even Richards? We would have 4 young guys fighting for meaningful minutes. It could work, but it would be a tough juggling act.

    While I think this trade would be nice for the future, I would rather us trade one of our young wings (we have decent depth at the PG and SG positions) plus some change (a draft pick and/or Gee) for a decent young big. If we could get another 7-footer (like McGee or Thompson) we very well might have enough size to match up with the Lakers, Celtics, etc.

    Bottom line: If we keep winning in a similar manner to how we are doing now (I say similar because we won’t win 87.5% of our games this year) then I would rather us tinker with the lineup as opposed to overhauling the roster. However, if we discover we can only beat cupcakes before getting blown up by the good teams, then by all means, let’s swing for the fences with a trade.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    November 13th, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    “However, wouldn’t that leave our front court a bit crowded next year with Blair, Duncan, Bonner (unfortunately), McGee, Seraphin, and possibly even Richards?”

    Have Seraphin & Richards battle it out for the 5th big, the loser suits up in Austin. At some point I’d love to deal Bonner, although it seems like he’s destined to stay here for some reason that I’ve yet to figure out! At some point Richards looks like he has the chance at being a “real” stretch 4. He’s got a nice stroke from the perimeter, and is much more athletic than Bonner.

    “However, if we discover we can only beat cupcakes before getting blown up by the good teams, then by all means, let’s swing for the fences with a trade.”

    Yeah. I’m happy that we’re 7-1, but I’m not overly impressed considering the competition. The weaknesses that have been identified since the end of last season have not ALL vanished.

    Read more: http://www.48minutesofhell.com/james-anderson-out-8-weeks-with-stress-fracture-in-foot#ixzz15FOmeHhF

  • Jim Henderson

    …… continuation……

    We appear to have made some savvy moves with the pick-up of Neal, and the drafting of Anderson. This appears to have addressed our lack of depth in long-range shooting, however, we are going to need at least one of those guys to make a contribution in the playoffs. That of course remains an iffy proposition, but not out of the question.

    We have strengthened our interior “d” to some extent with the signing of Splitter, however, we have not adequately addressed our poor-to-mediocre shot-blocking/rim protection, and we have a LONG ways to go to assemble an effective unit out on the perimeter to slow down dribble-drive penetration, and aggressively contest the three point line. In general there’s an inverse relationship between “rim protection” and perimeter “D”: that is, the better one’s rim protection the less superlative one’s perimeter “D” needs to be to field a competitive team defense. That’s why I’ve been wanting to get that special rim protector so bad, because while our perimeter “D” can improve some, it is unlikely to be as strong as during our last title team, or before. We could possibly live with a good but not stellar perimeter “D” if we had more of a top-notched shot-blocker in the rotation, because our offense is unusually strong this year, with the emergence of RJ, and other factors.

    That’s why I wanted Amundson, and I’m now proposing the trade for McGee. I don’t think the FO would do such a trade, but unless Splitter ends up being better defensively than I think, we will not be able to compete with the Lakers in the West. McGee has a 7’6″ wing span, a standing reach of 9’6.5″, a 32.5 vertical, was #1 in the league last year in blocks per 48 (5.01), and #1 thus far this year as well (5.84). The deal does have the future in mind for sure, but McGee would be able to help TD this year by acting as a deterrent (block OR alter shots) to Gasol & Bynum at the rim while TD grabs the boards. We need Blair & McDyess for their rebounding, which is hugely important. I think McGee is coachable, and would learn a lot in terms of fundamentals in our system. It’s not like McGee is a poor low-post defender, it’s just not his strength. He can hold his own against most centers. And on the offensive end he’s a great finisher. Alley oops could definitely offer some easy opportunities, and some excitement to our team & fans. Splitter is a lot to give up, but it’s the only thing that the Wiz might entertain, and Seraphin is an enticing project as a sweetener (depending on how much the Wiz like Seraphin/Gee, we may have to put a future 2nd rounder into the deal – like 2012 or 2013).

    Scola needs to get that shit outta here!:

    http://www.nba.com/video/games/wizards/2010/11/10/0021000111_hou_was_play4.nba/

    The “Truth” is no more!:

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xchw26_javale-mcgee-stops-the-dunk-attempt_sport

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    “But we don’t really know how “big” the edge is as yet. We have not yet seen enough of Splitter.”

    “How do you know that his defensive skills are that great when he has not yet had a reasonably sufficient chance to exhibit them against some of the toughest veteran 4/5 covers in the NBA?”

    Tiago has looked solid against anybody that he’s gone against so far. Didn’t he outplay Odom at the FIBA games? The limited evidence looks good for Tiago.

    “Have you seen Splitter do much scoring as yet in the low post since being in the NBA, against mainly the opponent’s 2nd units? I haven’t. And I’ve seen NO evidence from Splitter that he has a mid-range game even as good as Varejao’s. Point out to me where he’s even made one mid-range shot during his now 82 minutes of NBA action. You can’t be serious about using a youtube video of his greatest hits in set shots over in Europe. That is not evidence of an NBA mid-range game.”

    Is this your first day as a Spurs fan Jim? Ya think that Pop has Tiago on a short leash as to what he can and can’t do on the court? The reins haven’t even come close to being taken off for Tiago’s offensive game. This was even stated by RC in a prior interview. “I don’t think Tiago is going to be somebody we just throw the ball into the post until he gets a better understanding of our system,” Buford said.

    It’s been scouted and reported that Splitter has a solid midrange shot where Andy pretty much “pushes” the ball up there. What are YOU saying? That Tiago could shoot vs Europeans but can’t against NBA talent? That’s absurd Jim. It’s not like Tiago has a release point from his hip or takes a long time to shoot.

  • td4life

    “While I think this trade would be nice for the future, I would rather us trade one of our young wings (we have decent depth at the PG and SG positions) plus some change (a draft pick and/or Gee) for a decent young big. ”

    That statement I agree with. Plus Bonner’s 3 million.
    ________

    Just because we are talking Brazilians and we are talking shot-blocking:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_-5fJFFzZc

  • mac

    If you guys are giving up on Splitter, here’s a deal that the other team should actually jump at:

    Splitter and Bonner for Gortat and Ryan Anderson?

    Orlando scores big with Splitter as the perfect PF for them, allowing them to use Lewis as an SF and Bonner as usual. Gortat is legit. This is for those of you who think Blair is the real deal.

  • spursfanbayarea

    @mac
    At this given point that seems to be a pretty good trade. We would get 2 starters for one starter and a sub. The only thing is that we do not know Splitter’s ceiling yet. We do know about Bonner, Gortat and Anderson. If this is as good as splitter will be , then the trade is a no brainer. But I think that splitter will only get better during the season as he gets off of popovich’s rookie leash. But kudos on coming up with a very good trade proposal.

  • rj

    48minutesofjim

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    November 14th, 2010 at 4:12 am

    So when do you think that we’ll see Splitter’s low-post & mid-range game against the Lakers front three? Before the end of the season?

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    Jim,

    Ask Pop if you’re so curious. Try the mailbag.

  • Jim Henderson

    mac
    November 14th, 2010 at 8:33 am

    That’s a decent deal for us, but I don’t really see why Orlando would do it. However, it is reasonable enough to throw out there as a possibility. Gortat does give us more shot-blocking, and is a more polished low-post guy than McGee. Anderson gives us a younger Bonner with more potential. I just think that if Van Gundy was going to use Splitter in the way that you suggested, he would have already been using Gortat in that way (which I think he should more). I suppose it’s possible that Splitter’s passing ability would make him a better fit next to Howard.

  • Jim Henderson

    Mailbag gave me no response.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    Jim,

    it’s becoming painfully obvious that you have a serious man crush on DJB. I understand that these things happen and you can’t stand anything that threatens DJB’s inevitable run to stardom patrolling the Spurs paint. But, as you’re so prone to ask for regarding DJB, how about you don’t give up on Tiago after his first EIGHT games wearing silver & black. I know all the fans waited 3 years for Tiago and everybody was calling his signing the biggest accomplishment this offseason. But hey, what does that matter? He hasn’t hit (or even tried) a jumper so Trade Tiago, LOL.

    Gimme a break.

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    November 14th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    “it’s becoming painfully obvious that you have a serious man crush on DJB.”

    It will become even more painfully obvious to those that frequent this blog that they in fact had no idea what they were talking about in their assessment of Blair’s current value and long-term potential. I stick to hard analysis and assessment of talent. I don’t get caught up in emotional attachments, which the word “crush” implies. If there are “mancrushes” on this blog, they are about Splitter, not Blair.

    “But, as you’re so prone to ask for regarding DJB, how about you don’t give up on Tiago after his first EIGHT games wearing silver & black.”

    Hey, I like Splitter. I’m glad we have him now. He makes us a better team. However, I simply question whether he’s enough to put us over the top. I only proposed a trade of him to get the best shot-blocker in the league, and a tantalizing 1st round pick & project (Seraphin). Since we don’t have a top-notched perimeter “D”, we are not going to compete well-enough against the elite teams without a top-grade “rim-protector”. I’m just looking to make the team better against our toughest match-ups. Maybe Splitter can help us enough against the like’s of Gasol & Bynum, I just have my doubts. That said, I think Splitter will improve some over the year (he hasn’t gotten much run yet), but at age 25 his upside is much less than DeJuan Blair’s.

    “He hasn’t hit (or even tried) a jumper so Trade Tiago…”

    You can’t really believe that’s why I mentioned a trade option for Splitter. Ridiculous.

  • Jim Henderson

    February 2009, from Draft Express on Splitter:

    “He’s not incredibly explosive around the basket, which may emerge as more of an issue in the NBA (if and when), but with his excellent skill-level and high basketball IQ, he’s about as effective a low-post scorer as you’ll find at the European level. On top of that, he manages to find plenty of scoring opportunities with his ability to run the floor, play pick and roll with the likes of Pablo Prigioni and Igor Rakocevic, and just find open spots around the basket to catch and finish…….

    …..He’s not really showing any kind of mid-range jumper, but probably doesn’t really have to for Tau considering that he’s shooting over 64% from the field……

    …..Still not a great rebounder, Splitter has become even less prolific in this department on the offensive end this year, which is a relative concern and probably his biggest weakness.”

  • rj

    another jim tirade. by gar it’s been a while! where is BALLHOG? love you guys

  • rob

    Jim Henderson

    “Maybe Splitter can help us enough against the like’s of Gasol & Bynum, I just have my doubts. That said, I think Splitter will improve some over the year (he hasn’t gotten much run yet), but at age 25 his upside is much less than DeJuan Blair’s.”

    I’m not saying this to get you riled…but…
    …it’s perplexing that somebody else’s opinion is “preposterous” using somewhat the same logic in their thinking as you thinking your opinion to be legit.

    Peace to you man. I like the debates. And if you look at them closely…I think you’ll see we would agree on the same principle even if it’s being directed towards a different player.

    Tiago is going to be much better. Just as Blair is going to be much better.

    What their ceilings may end up being is a calculated guess at best. And to be fair…they are two different style of players who just so happen to both bring to the team individual talents that help the team.

    Perhaps getting rid of either via trade at this time would not be the best for the team at this point?

  • Jim Henderson

    rob
    November 15th, 2010 at 4:10 am

    “…it’s perplexing that somebody else’s opinion is “preposterous” using somewhat the same logic in their thinking as you thinking your opinion to be legit.”

    Care to give me an example?

    “Tiago is going to be much better. Just as Blair is going to be much better.”

    Well, there is a difference. Splitter will get better than he’s playing now because he has some adjusting to do to the NBA. Beyond that his upside is more limited than Blair’s because he is 25 years old (to Blair’s 21), has 5 or 6 years of professional experience already under his belt, and does not have as much raw talent.

    “What their ceilings may end up being is a calculated guess at best.”

    Yes, and some are more equipped than others to apply a formula that has more or less better predictive validity. I’ve had a pretty good track record for a long time.

    “And to be fair…they are two different style of players who just so happen to both bring to the team individual talents that help the team.”

    Sure, but I never argued against that point.

    “Perhaps getting rid of either via trade at this time would not be the best for the team at this point?”

    Perhaps, but I think we still need more depth/size (weight) on the front line to have a shot at a title, and/or preferably a top-notched “rim protector”. Hence, my suggestions since summer to pick up someone like Anthony, Amundson, Dampier, or more recently, consider a trade for someone like McGee.

  • rob

    Jim Henderson

    “Care to give me an example?”

    Sure. I proposed a trade to help the Spurs get one of the best perimeter defenders in the league by offering DeJuan. And then for the Spurs to look to get a “rim protector” in another manner via trade, sign or draft.

    Because we both know that the Spurs could use both, you proposed to trade Splitter for a rim protector. Perhaps you think the Spurs could get somebody like Mbah via the same means I think the Spurs could get a “rim protecting” big. Or with the emergance of Anderson we wouldn’t need another perimeter type of defender. I don’t know. You’ve suggested it would be imparative for the Spurs to get both types of players.

    So…We both are looking at (in different ways and in different positions) the type of players we both think can help the Spurs.

    You think Blair has potential upside to almost match Tim Duncan in per. I don’t. I also think we don’t give up Splitter because of his size and potential. You do.

    We pretty much base our opinions on the potential
    each of Blair and Splitter could possibly bring to the team if they stayed. But none of those opinions are set in stone. They are only calculated opinions. You think yours is more viable then mine. I think mine is more viable than yours.

    But the bottomline is we both are trying to address the same needs we both see as crucial for the Spurs to become a better team.

    “Beyond that his upside is more limited than Blair’s because he is 25 years old (to Blair’s 21), has 5 or 6 years of professional experience already under his belt, and does not have as much raw talent.”

    Again. I disagree regarding the age factor. I don’t think the 3 and a half to 4 year difference is all that compelling to consider. And one that cannot be justified because we simply don’t know how long any player can perform in this league. Too many variables that can happen regarding pre-mature career ending injury, what the physical limitations on an individual player may be after 3 to 4 years in the league, etc.

    We just happen to disagree. That’s all. It’s not that big a deal. I don’t consider your opinion any less validated than mine. But it just seems that if somebody has a different opinion than yours…you tend to get a little on the annoyed side because they do and start inserting quotes like “preposterous”, “dumb”, “they have no clue”, in your responses. Do you really think that validates your opinion more so than somebody respectfully discussing the issue with you?

    I don’t know Jim. Maybe that’s just the way it’s supposed to be.

    Peace to you. >

  • Jim Henderson

    rob
    November 15th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Here’s a previous comment I made in response to Bankshot21 on the subject of “opinions”:

    “I take it you have heard the expression that some opinions are worth more than others, right? This is not because the “person” offering them is more or less valuable, but that some expressed views simply make better use of available facts, logic, and history to in effect give more generally acceptable credence to their “opinion”. We all have a “right” to our opinion, but every “opinion” is not “equal” in terms of credibility.”

    Or as I said in a previous comment:

    “There are two kinds of opinions: One that carries some weight, backed up by data, knowledge, experience and logic, and others backed up by some amorphous substance in one’s head unsupported by objective facts.”

    “Both are fine, but certainly not equal in terms of credibility.”

    Read more: http://www.48minutesofhell.com/san-antonio-spurs-112-phoenix-suns-110-richard-jefferson-goes-nuts#ixzz15PbSw0lQ

    Make of that whatever you will. And other than that, it’s fine to agree to disagree, but some “opinions” clearly draw upon an insufficient pool of information and historical context to hold much credibility, and yet sometimes the individual will stubbornly hold on to such an opinion and get offended when another pokes holes in it in logical fashion. It is at that point that I have been known to express a bit of annoyance from time to time. I’m guilty as charged, but don’t take what I say too personally. Just try to keep an open mind.