Spurs beat Nets in Manu’s return

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Manu Ginobili returns to the Spurs and they win again. Simple as that. The Spurs beat the New Jersey Nets 103-89 in Manu’s return. We talk about it for some fun.

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  • DorieStreet

    Quick review of the box score—-    balanced scoring: 6 Spurs with 10 or more points; Neal – 14 of 19, 18 pts in each of last 2 games–getting back to from surgery and injury/  numbers point to Blair finally having a decent game after a while; Kawhi with 8 rbs, / a few more minutes for Anderson, please…..and I think the team can get that BTB this week,

  • DorieStreet

    Oh- and Manu’s back-   4/7 and 4 assists in 17 minutes; how did he look, fans?

  • Anonymous

    There goes Splitter’s minutes as predicted even though half of those were trash minutes. Nice one Pop. I guess we’ll go with Blair  for 25-30 minutes now that Manu’s back. Let’s see how well that goes in the playoffs.

  • Anonymous

    The same.

  • Anonymous

    Is there a party going on in there?

  • Guest

    This is the most distracting podcast i have ever listened to…Andrew, get your own place man…

  • Anonymous

    It’s okay Title, chill out. Tiago wasn’t necessary tonight, that Nets set of bigs is probably the worst every set I’ve seen set foot on an NBA court. Actually feel bad for D Williams having to play on that team.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/BurkhartBrandon Brandon Burkhart

    I had to turn this off due to the annoying party noise in the background

  • Anonymous

     Manu looked solid for not playing in 8 weeks.  Rusty in some areas but that’s to be expected. I think most of the very small issues were chemistry related regarding his placement in the rotation.

    Neal is looking more and more comfortable playing point.  Still a work in progress, but he doesn’t look like RMJ anymore either.  B2B solid games for Neal.

    Kawhi’s numbers look good on paper but still not a true reflection of his presence on the court.  The best way to judge his play is look at the shooting percentage of Brooks and Williams…both of whom Kawhi guarded in the game and totally disrupted their rhythm when doing so.

    Kinda alarming though regarding the post.  Though not a horrible game by any means from Duncan, Blair, and Splitter…should have been better considering the Nets probably have the worst post presence in the league.  Which by the way (Nets awful front) helped the Spurs in this game since Bonner was only 2-6 shooting 1-4 from 3 in 22 minutes of action.

    Best part of Parker’s game…he only played 26 minutes.  4-11 shooting and 5 assists.

    Danny Green found his shooting touch and started once again.  4-8 shooting and played solid defense.

    Anyway…hoped that helped some.  By the way…not advocating this sight…I just ran across it today by accident and thought of you not being able to catch all the games.  It’s called satellitedirect.com.  I have no clue if it’s reputable or not or if Spurs games are broadcasted but looks interesting.  You (or anyone for that matter not able to catch the Spurs) might want to at least investigate. 

  • Anonymous

     D.Will a favorite of mine.  Feel sorry for him too…but not against the Spurs.  Kinda scary that the Nets having such a poor crop of bigs played fairly decent against the Spurs bigs.  But that could have been from a lack of giving it 100% in this game.?

  • Bankshot21

    Actually attended this game. Few things i’d like to point out:

    Gary Neal has come a long way in the PG department.

    Tim Duncan looks really spry. His age is most apparent when attempting to sprint back on defense. Otherwise looks pretty preserved.

    Tony Parker and Tiago play VERY well together.

    Matt Bonner has been putting it on the floor more lately. Way to go Rocket.

    Tim Duncan throws the BEST outlet passes I’ve ever seen. Such a great passer.

  • http://radsci.uthscsa.edu/index.php/User:Nima Nima K.

    For a team renowned for picking out diamonds from the rough, I wonder how is it that we missed a D-leaguer like J Lin? Did the dude just show out of empty vacuum? :-/

  • TalkingOutofmyPass

    The Blair and Manu connection was good to see again. Blair likes to get to attacking positions on the floor that require an attacking pass which Manu loves to give.
    hopegully this picks up Blairs play from here but an element of his game that is missing is his beastly boarding. Currently seems to consistently get 4-6 boards each game nothing higher, opposed to his 12 boards one night 3 the next which he used to be when he first entered the league

  • Anonymous

    NJ Nets sure do stink.

  • NYC

    Ginobiliiiiiiii!!!!!!!!

    Those who saw the game, please tell us how did Ginobili’s shooting form look? My biggest concern is that when Bonner returned from a broken hand (last season?), his shooting form was way off and it took him many games to recover. Also, how’s Ginobili’s legs? Does he look out of shape?

  • NYC

    Thanks for the suggestion, STIJL. Anyone have experience using the software? I sure would like a reliable way to catch the games. 

  • NYC

    I would like to advocate calling the Tony and Tiago duo TnT. You know, like the dynamite. Who’s with me? Huh, huh?? Anyone?

  • JustinFL

    Pretty spot on analysis of the game.  As far as the post, yea Humphries in particular got some easy ones,  Bonner’s rebounding has improved this year.   He’s more aggressive at securing the rebound.  He’s also got a go-to move when he’s chased off the 3pt line, which is something he needed.  Splitter, as was commented on last postgame show,  needs to hit the boards a little harder.  He’s average at best from what I’ve seen.
      Hopefully he can improve.  It hasn’t cost us anything so far this year, but I’d hate to get into a dogfight in the playoffs, him get abused and exposed.
      Anyway, I’m probably worrying too much about it, I have really enjoyed watching him play this year. Especially in the PnR.  He’s shown me a few moves there I can’t wait to try down at the Y.   

  • Anonymous

     Jeremy Lin had all the numbers to being at best an insurance policy at the end of any teams’ bench.  Spurs (or any team) couldn’t have known he would explode on the scene as he has.  I guess sometimes it just comes out of nowhere.

  • Anonymous

    Not anymore than Blair does.

  • Matt

    Any chance of coding these in HTML5 so I can watch them on my IPAD?

  • Anonymous

    I’m there but the fuse won’t be lit if Pop starts to concentrate on Manu /Blair duo now that Manu’s back. Like I said all along before this game it is apparent that if Manu starts feeding Blair then Pop will feel there’s no need for Tony/Tiago. I’m only reporting what I see. Pop didn’t hesitate to sit Tiago now that Manu’s back looking for Blair. I like the other 2nd unit better playing the minutes they were playing with Splitter. This is a trend that’s starting again giving Blair huge minutes. The only difference this season from last season is KL is on the team and Tiago has actually gotten a chance to do something. Maybe Bonner is a little more aggressive but that doesn’t change the fact he still can get used inside. Having said that, if this trend continues in regards to playoffs then I’m saying right now that’s a first round exit. We thought we were all that last season even if Manu was healthy we weren’t going to beat the Grizz. Who’s the next Grizz we going to face in the first round playing small ball? I hope the small ball works this time.

  • Anonymous

    Lucky for the Knicks now they are a team to take notice. What a good point guard can do to a team. Wow!

  • Anonymous

    You now why? Because KL is getting some of those.

  • http://48minutesofhell.com Andrew A. McNeill

    We use Vokle and they spit out the archived videos in flash. We might eventually move to the premium service where we get the raw files to upload to our own YouTube accounts, where we can display them in HTML5. We just haven’t had the incentive to pull the trigger yet. So…. tell your friends!

  • Anonymous

    He’s just out of game shape but everything else seems as if when he left off. Shooting form  seems ok to me. He’s attacking the rim at the right times. That hasn’t changed.

  • Anonymous

    Man don’t start with this again. And don’t send me that little hamster link either slick.

  • Anonymous

     You could be onto something there.  Though I haven’t seen (don’t know) the amount of time Leonard and Blair share the court (or proof of this)….  It could be Blair is being instructed to be more of a box out option in the post allowing others better angles to getting rebounds?  Leonard, Green and Neal have all been rebounding at a high rate being perimeter players.  I think that could be an attribute to their ability but more so of planned execution.

    Interesting site.  http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits.php?year=2011-2012&team=SAS
    It shows overall ratings and minutes played by all the different player rotations Spurs have encompassed this year.  Without Manu in the mix…Seems the best starting unit would be Parker, Duncan, Bonner, Leonard and Neal.  And a strong indication of being better as a second unit if it were a rotation of Manu, Green, Splitter, Blair and Jefferson.

    But we all know Pop doesn’t just play by the numbers.

  • JustinFL

    Who Tiago?  Maybe.  I guess I’m expecting alil more from Tiago considering his resume.  One interesting point during the broadcast of the game (leaguepass),  the announcer’s were talking about Pop being asked about Tiago’s improvement, and Pop said, “No, he’s been that good he’s just now getting the playing time to show it.”
      THat got me thinking which can be dangerous.  Is that an open admission that he should have been playing more last year which everyone (mostly) was advocating on here last year?  If so, than did Pop make a mistake last year in not playing him?
      No way to know for sure.  I feel he made his decision to barely play him because of his allegiance to McDyess, and Tiago’s injury which caused him to miss the majority of training camp.  I’m sure the answer lies somewhere in, around, or between.

  • Bankshot21

    Disagree with a passion. Healthy Manu we best the Griz in 6 games. Aside from not having him at all in game 1, we had a shell of him in 2-6. We didn’t win 60+ for no reason.

  • Anonymous

    In general, the regular season last year showed that the Griz are a bad match-up for the Spurs on the inside. Randolph manhandled us.

    I think this season if the Wolves, Rockets and Griz don’t make the playoffs we should be fine.

  • Bankshot21

    Rockets and Griz we’d be fine. Those damn wolves however are a thorn in our sides. What Manu brings at 100% no other player in the league can rival. Though the Griz played us tough last years, that was basically a home court advantage series, which we lost in game 1 that Manu couldn’t play.

  • DorieStreet

    STIJL- thankss for the information- I will check it out for this week’s games. The decision to trade for the 15th pick in last June’s draft gets better which each week of the season.

    Oh- Anderson Varejao out indefinitely = affects a trade for him by FO?

  • DorieStreet

    @ MSteele_in_Eire & STIJL:     

    Why feel sorry for Williams? He didn’t commit to resigning to the Jazz, so their CEO had to go with the next best option – a trade to improve his team. League business took its course.

    This is only Deron’s 7th season; Dar Kommissar, Blue Ivy’s Dad, and Billy King are supposed to build a team around him as they the previous owners did a decade before around Jason Kidd.

    Dar Kommissar, Blue Ivy’s Dad, and Billy King are supposed

  • DorieStreet

    They can all make the playoffs– it just that those three teams will have to be eliminated in the first round. It still a ways to go, but Rockets at @ #5 spot, and maybe Grzz and Wolves get to 7 & 8. Spurs stay at #3 slot in the western conference, they avoid them–and perhaps play Lakers, Nuggets, or Blazers in 1st round?

  • DorieStreet

    The guy was all-world at that level of collegiate basketball -many records set and awards won while at Harvard, Ivy League; has kudos from basketball writers and basketball coaches’ organizations.

    Besides – the diamond from the rough the Spurs need plays PF and/or C.

  • DorieStreet

    And I don’t think they will stick with Avery while the team tries to build around Deron Williams.

  • Anonymous

    Not last year no way with passion.

  • Anonymous

    T Wolves are this years Grizz to the Spurs in my opinion.

  • chad “gumby-pokey” berry

    ANDREW, THIS IS LONG{!!!} BUT PLEASE READ IT? i want to know what you think. trading for a big? i don’t like it. although,
    pop and r.c. will look at it/him/the WHOLE situation that will unfurl
    with this possibility. (what organization wouldn’t before pulling the
    trigger …floating…?… A LOT of organizations{!!!} ) the spurs — as
    we know, are not compulsive or rash — will have the safety on, if you
    will; if they do pull that “trigger”, it would mean either splitter or
    blair — as far as the bigs — will go; along with RJ — AND I KNOW
    PEOPLE WOULD BE ECSTATIC {!!!} ABOUT THAT – BUT NOT ME {!!!}; he’s not
    “damaged goods”; jeffersons arrival was a big hoopla with piranha frenzy
    of hype that the sports world propped up, lamenting: “jefferson not
    only puts them as a legitimate threat to the west, i.e. “lakers”, but
    puts them RIGHT NOW as contenders for the championship”. i remember it; i
    remember finley coming from dallas who — unlike RJ — was a 4{?} time
    all-star, and was the teams (dallas) captain/leader and main focus on
    the “once big 3 of: dirk, nash and fin fin” …but there wasn’t a frenzy
    like there was when RJ came in; the media didn’t prop him (finley) up,
    nor did they “need” to. (the spurs had just won the `05 championship)
    when fin fin came to the spurs ( …i miss him …sniffle) his game
    changed DRASTICALLY{!!!}; he went from someone who can handle the ball
    to make his own shot and shots for others – and was a player who attack
    the rim, a la pre spur RJ, literally{!}; not taking long strides to
    attack the rim; instead, power dribbled in the paint and hopped with
    both legs to flush the ball in the basket, as opposed to high flying to
    the basket. fin fin did not have the same game with the spurs as he did
    with dallas. he didn’t create his own shot or attack the rim like he did
    in dallas; instead his game was to be ready in the corner or just find
    himself open, where he would get the dish and pop it …this is the same
    scenario with RJ. NO ONE{!!!!} said: “get him out of here!!! he’s not
    playing like he did in dallas!!! why they didn’t say that: THE
    HOOPLA!!!!!!!!! …everyone expected — and still does – when they/we
    decide to like him because he (RJ) played a good game — SOOO much
    from RJ, not realizing pop did (and it’s on going; which i approve …i
    wouldn’t go against pop …he knows more than me) with RJ the same thing
    he did with fin fin!!! and fin was roughly the same age as RJ when we
    got him, and again: an all-star (4 times{???}) …but there wasn’t
    hoopla, like with RJ – some giddy hoopla (among spurs fans) for fin fin,
    but no ticker tape parade, like the media threw for RJ; and we gobbled
    it up; he’s not damaged goods. (hype is a SHEEP{!!!!!} in wolves
    clothing) that all being said/typed and indications from the spurs
    concerning a big: it’s not — at least i don’t think — going to happen.
    pop has stressed about his young players and getting them to learn the
    system – and not just youngsters: mcdyess had trouble his 1rst year
    along with training camp etc. to get the “system” down; he’s been around
    with many teams over the YEARS!!! so the prospect (in this short
    season as it ebbs away getting shorter with each game) of having a “big” come in, even varejao (which is odd? fractured wrist), is ebbing away with the tide of trades.
    …simply put: i don’t see the spurs doing anything this season
    regarding trades; acquiring is a different story, but not trades. RJ seems to be “disappearing”? but his shots are short; not in relation to the basket but in the FG attempts; against the nets, he was screaming at tony because was wide open and (SHOCK AND AWE) made the shot; he’s pulled back as others stepped up, which seems like an upside down oxymoron because manu went out, so who steps up? not RJ. tj was great and kept RJ doing what pop wants, which we’ll get to; tj goes down and “manu by committee” step up, leaving RJ to do as pop wants while letting the “youngsters” develop as they clearly were; proving that they are proof of something? and the fact they couldn’t practice; they stepped up and kept up, so pop kept RJ the way he is while letting court experience for green etc. – EVERYBODY! parker stepped up (which was to be expected from their star) while RJ didn’t per say, as to not ruin confidence and chemistry from the bench. is RJ irrelevant to any trades? RJ
    being irrelevant – only because he would be a part of the deal. (if
    there is one …?…) but i still concur. RJ can create his own shots,
    not for others — he’s not a point forward, if you will — but here’s
    the jack pot that NO ONE seems to get{!!!} …pop had visions of fin fin
    with RJ (and still does?) of him waiting behind the arc for his shot
    and had this idea that he could be bowen esq (no one can be bowen – we
    all know that) …to be honest: it was the same with fin fin; (not the
    bowen esq …we still had bowen) thing is, yes, fin fin came through on
    what pop wanted him to be, whereas RJ …not so much. dangling thoughts
    of RJ being amnestied was a product of RJ not switching his game, to
    which fin fin did. so when i say RJ is not damaged goods: i mean it.
    it’s not his fault and the same time it is, because he never was cooked
    right; molded but never cooked right; even half way through his 3rd
    season with the spurs …so i give him slack; i just wish people will
    also give him slack. that being said of him not becoming what fin fin
    became: fin fin was 2 years older than RJ was when he joined the spurs;
    and despite not fitting pops vision of him being fin fin – he still
    averaged more points then fin fin and more boards; not an ample
    difference in the numbers, yet none the less better numbers, percentage etc.  ….my
    whole point of the HYPE (a SHEEP in wolves clothing!!!!!!!!!!!!
    perpetuated by the mainstream media!!!!!!) that RJ got (we traded A LOT:
    bowen, fab and “big sexy” kurt thomas, albeit, they were old) with pop
    having in mind: FIN FIN. yes, he hasn’t become fin fin, but the SHEEP in
    wolves clothing that came with that HUGE trade perpetuated by the media
    ensure RJs reception he gets on a daily basis. if not hype, a SHEEP in
    wolves clothing, i.e. “he’s going to be a MONSTER!!!! for the spurs”; the
    medias hype machine displaying a SHEEP in wolves clothing for RJ only
    ensured from his nascent play with the spurs that it would be a let down
    …low expectations from someone (THE MEDIA!!!!!! …again, litany:
    SHEEP in wolves clothing) telling everyone (with so many spurs leaving
    with this trade) that RJ was going to change everything and SHAKE UP the
    west. RJs only fault is not becoming fin fin like pop expected and
    still does; everything else is not his fault. completely not his fault.
    as regards to not becoming fin fin (though he averaged more boards
    points etc. than fin, but wasn’t the model of fin fins role with the
    spurs) that is a fault, but he finished strong last season (not in the
    playoffs, i give you that …but other than manu and neals shot: follow
    the bouncing ball: here comes neal to save the day! …NO ONE played
    good against memphis) and started off strong this season and every game
    or so, has a solid game …to, alas, no avail to fans but …i’ll just
    leave the ellipsis …

  • Bankshot21

    We can go back and forth but the fact remains while Manu was on the court in that series, the home team won every game. Plain and simple.

  • Bankshot21

    Idk if McNeil read it, but I tried. Seems very well written but just too long. I’ll take another crack at it in a few.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t know.  I just like how he plays.  Sometimes logic doesn’t enter the equation more so than a person just admiring an individuals performance and how they play the game.

  • Bankshot21

    Great comparison. And I agree. I blame RJ 0%. We have actually hurt his game. Once he leaves the Spurs he may be seen as damaged, when in all actuality we have put a short leash on what he is allowed to do out there.

  • DorieStreet

    To Titletown99030507d & Bankshot21

    No matter the reason for it- 2011 -just like 2009 (Manu out) and 2010 (Tony coming back from mid-season injury) —got to be healthy and playing well to get past 1st & 2nd rounds.

  • Deeds130

    I’m not entirely sure what your point is. That the Spurs shouldn’t package or amnesty RJ in order to add a big man? 

    If RJ is cut loose, I hope he is outspoken about which teams he’d fit in with best, where he’d like to play.  Ironically, NJ & MIL could be 2 of the best fits. But put it out there, put your game on the line, and declare what you can do. You can do more to demonstrate what your value is, Mr. Jefferson.

    We all know RJ’s game is not a good fit for this system, and Pop has been criticized for not adapting to the talent he has in this case. But here’s the thing, RJ is too nice… break the offense and just play basketball from time to time, man! It’s not like Hill, TJ, Blair, Neal, Green, even KL spend 100% of their time on the court trying to do only what the book calls for, is it?! (And yet they still stay in the rotation, by golly.) Last year, RJ had nearly a lock on his starting role, and yet the man failed to find a way to contribute more, when that contribution was NEEDED. He was brought in to be an UPGRADE to Bowen on offense, a capable 4th option. Now he knows the system… don’t hesitate to score in the offense… and have the confidence to go beyond the offense on occasion, when your team needs something else. Get in your guard’s ear, if need be. Speak up in the huddle. Show Pop, I know what you want, but I’m showing you something else, too.  My talent is here when we need it, I’m unafraid! We’ve seen Hill, Neal, and now Green take over here and there more often than RJ in any of these given seasons. Show some heart, dude. Are you a gamer? He deserves some blame, let’s not be silly.

    If the Spurs do amnesty him, it’d be interesting to see if they are thinking about making Batum an offer? Sure, it would be an exciting signing, and he certainly can stand in the corner and shoot… but he’s better in the opencourt on both sides of the ball. He’s no Bowen, and can look very out of sync in the half court defense. So I’m not as much of a fan as most other guys. I’d say that Dorell Wright was very much the role-player that got away from us, but truthfully I don’t have much of a pressing need to see changes to our current SF depth…

    It was nice to see RJ be the one to get shorter minutes following #20′s return, even if it was a blow-out, garbage-time type game. I hope to see reduced minutes from RJ for awhile. He started the last 2 seasons well, so maybe he’d play better with some rest, or even with some time off and some private workouts with an assistant coach. In any event, continued development if KL & Green (& Anderson?) is most welcome. Wings aren’t an area of concern for me.

  • Anonymous

    I’m starting not to believe anything that comes out of Pop’s mouth especially if it means he’s wrong. 

  • Anonymous

    Kinda the way I feel about Splitter but he’s on my team.

  • Anonymous

    Manu’s not going to defend the rim in the playoffs just like he wouldn’t if he was healthy last year. Front court that’s where we’re going to win big playoff games. It never changes unless we are the first small ball to win it all. Something the Suns couldn’t do with all that talent.

  • Bob

     At least the Suns got much farther with small ball. The Spurs started playing bad small ball when they started Dice later in the season and the playoffs.