Matt Bonner: Jonesing for a sandwich

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If you don’t watch The Basketball Jones on a regular basis, you’re missing out. Recently, The Jones’ Tas Melas took some time to join sandwich enthusiast, and recently re-signed Spur, Matt Bonner in the kitchen to create a masterpiece of the deli.

Or just a sandwich with chips. Have a look-see:

He’s really got a great ability to spread the mayo and open things up for the other ingredients.

  • Mike

    Guys, have you heard of a dude named Alonzo Gee, who is absolutely lightning up Summer League?
    Every scouts rave about his athleticism, all the while praising his decision making in the halfcourt, his patience and his discipline.
    Thorpe said that apart from lottery pick, Gee is the player more sure to get a full time gig in the NBA. The Spurs would be complete fools to let him go. They definitely won’t. This guy will get minutes (he has to, he’s really good) and he already has a partial knowledge of our system.

    I’d like to see them sign Jones and pair him with Gee on the wing. But at least give Gee some burn, I’m pretty sure we won’t regret it

  • duaneofly

    Here’s some food for thought:
    Earl Boykins: 5-5
    Nate Robinson: 5-9
    Spud Webb: 5-7
    Speedy Claxton: 5-11
    Muggsy Bogues: 5-3

    Here are guys all under six feet tall that have had decent NBA careers.
    Matt Bonner is 6-10. Yes, I know you can’t teach height, and you obviously can’t field a team full of 6’4 guys, but the question is, would Bonner be in the NBA if he was shorter?
    If he was 6’6 and expected to play SF, would he be able to do it? No. He doesn’t nearly have the quickness or lateral movement to keep up with SFs. What if he was 6’2 and a PG? Nope, he doesn’t have great ball handling skills and not much of a midrange game (from what I have seen).
    Keep in mind though, Chuck Hayes is 6-6, but filled in for Ming at center. Charles Barkley is listed at 6-6 and he bodied up much bigger opponents as well and was a rebounding machine.

    Basically, Bonner is a one trick pony, a so called 3 pt specialist, who disappears in the playoffs. On top of that he’s only in the NBA because he was lucky enough to sprout up to 6-10.

  • ThatBigGuy

    @ Duaneofly

    What about 5’10″ Avery Johnson? How did you forget him?

  • tradeTP

    That Big Guy- Obviously you havent watched the Spurs. Bonner got 17mpg in the playoffs. That isnt 11th man. You dont spend 4mil a year on 11th man. If you do youre an idiot.

    It doesnt matter about “class” What matters is winning. If you would like to have a roster filled with humor writers than basketball players, thats your business. But to legit BASKETBALL fans it is an embarassment. I hope discussing hoagies come May is your idea of fun. I would rather talk about potential titles or opponents.

    The only way the signing makes sense is to now trade him. but who would want him?

  • Brian K

    @duaneofly
    I’m sorry, but I don’t think your rant on Bonner’s NBA career being solely linked to his height holds water.
    You mention his quickness, lateral movement, and ball handling skills as his weaknesses, all of which are dependent on one’s physical build. Bonner has little quickness and lateral movement because he’s 6’10″ and built like a lumber jack. He has little ballhandling skills because his position on the floor, he is a very solid stretch 4 mind you, doesn’t require that of him.
    By large, you could make that same argument against any other player in the NBA. Do you think Tim Duncan would make it as a point guard in this league with his current quickness, lateral movement, and ball handling skills? Did you watch the Phoenix series when Duncan was forced to guard Nash? It didn’t go over very well. But, as it stands, Duncan is probably the greatest power forward of all time. Taller, bigger people, in general, are not as quick or athletic as those who are under 6-feet tall.

  • doggydogworld

    @JimHenderson – “The point is, nobody knew for sure what the Heat’s intention was with Joel Anthony over the past 2 1/2 weeks of free agency.”

    “Often in error, never in doubt”, eh? Lvmainman schooled you on this one because he understands the salary cap. You say the Spurs might have nabbed Anthony for 2m “given Miami’s tight-rope of fielding a competitive team with the cap space they had left.” But cap space was never a factor in deciding how much to pay Anthony because Miami kept his Bird rights. His cap hold was only $1m, basically the same as an empty roster spot, so renouncing him made no sense.

    Miami had to wait “2 1/2 weeks” because the order of signing matters. If they had signed Anthony before officially signing all their non-min free agents (e.g. Miller, Haslem) then his salary WOULD have counted against their cap. The deal with Anthony was already done, he just couldn’t sign it until the ink on those other contracts had dried.

  • Jim Henderson

    Mike
    July 17th, 2010 at 3:58 am

    “Guys, have you heard of a dude named Alonzo Gee, who is absolutely lightning up Summer League?”

    Hey Mike, did you ever consider to think of the competition?

    Gee gets a lot of his buckets in transition against a matador “D”, and still has a suspect jumper, particularly from long-range. Also, he’s not a particularly strong defender; Hairston has it all over him in this regard. He is athletic, and has some promise, but he’s not ready to solidify our SF spot at the NBA level, not if we intend to challenge.

    doggydogworld
    July 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    “Lvmainman schooled you on this one because he understands the salary cap.”

    The only thing lvmainman could school is you and a 5th-grader. He took a big fat guess on Anthony with no clear explanation, and got lucky, pure & simple. Anthony is a one-dimensional player, and for a team with so many holes to fill, it is not surprising that they took their time to look elsewhere before eventually agreeing to sign Anthony.

    “You say the Spurs might have nabbed Anthony for 2m “given Miami’s tight-rope of fielding a competitive team with the cap space they had left.” But cap space was never a factor in deciding how much to pay Anthony because Miami kept his Bird rights.”

    IF the Heat decided they DID NOT WANT TO sign Anthony, regardless of CAP SPACE, cap would have INDEED still been a factor in fielding the best & most cost-effective team. I understand the advantages of Bird rights, but that still DOES NOT mean that the Heat had their mind SET on bringing him back. WE DON’T KNOW THAT. They were obviously feverishly looking around to see if they could nail a cost-effective big with more versatile talent to stick into their top 8-man rotation and could not come up with a better option than to resign Anthony (taking into account what he brings to the table for them game-wise, plus the Bird rights advantages he brings in terms of cap space limitations).

    “Miami had to wait “2 1/2 weeks” because the order of signing matters. If they had signed Anthony before officially signing all their non-min free agents (e.g. Miller, Haslem) then his salary WOULD have counted against their cap. The deal with Anthony was already done, he just couldn’t sign it until the ink on those other contracts had dried.”

    That MAY have been the reason for the delay, but you simply don’t know that. It’s conceivable that they could have been looking for a better center, even though they may have been able to sign one LESS “ABOVE-minimum-type-salary” player. Also, the Heat were not yet at the cap limit when they signed Anthony, which seems to negate part of the advantage of Bird rights. However, at that point they finally had to accept that any other centers that they looked at were simply not going to work, either financially or fit-wise. Also, we or any other team could have upset the Heat’s obvious incentive of holding back on signing Anthony (regardless of the reason) by offering him a contract during that 2 1/2 week period. But we didn’t.

  • ThatBigGuy

    @ TradeTP

    Take a deep breath and remember 2 things:

    1. Basketball is just a game.
    2. It’s July. Enjoy your life.

    This concludes my interaction with you in regards to Bonner.

  • Red Rocket fan

    Bonner is such a beast. Can’t wait ’till Spurs pick up Luke so the brothers can dominate the league. Oh, and they can make sandwiches between games.

  • tradeTP

    That Big Guy- Whether basketball is at the bottom or top of our personal free time heirarchy is unimportant. Dont come with those weak posts about Bonner being legit.

    I think Pop simply wants to have Bonner there for entertainment his last years. Or he is some sort of genius with a Bonner McDyess RJ trade… I hope for the latter.

    You want to talk about class? How about firing a coach, tanking that year, winning with his team and then leaving the cupboard bare…. What a way to run a program. Classy.

  • DNITCH

    This may be a stupid question, however, is anyone opposed to looking at Tmac if he signs for the vet min?

  • duaneofly

    Brian K, you’re right, Timmy isn’t the quickest cat around anymore, but he is one of the, if not the, most fundamentally sound players to ever play the game. Timmy knows basketball. Bonner knows how to shoot open threes and that’s it.
    Dwight Howard, David Robinson, Lamar Odom, are all 6-10+ guys who could move it.

    I guess I should have worded my post differently, so I apologize for that. What I really mean to say is, Bonner can shoot open three pointers, and that’s it.
    He cannot play defense.
    He has no midrange game, except that awful floater that makes me cringe.
    He has no post up game.

    But because he is 6-10 AND can shoot open threes, he’s in the NBA. Because some coaches, Pop especially, are in love with the “stretch 4.”
    So if he was too short to be a “big man” he wouldn’t be in the NBA, because smaller guys need to be able to do more than just shoot open threes.

    Timmy on the other hand, he’s a great passer, a great defender, he doesn’t bite on pump fakes because he doesn’t leave his feet. A lot of his blocks come while standing flat footed. He knows how to post up, he knows how to shoot (except FTs). So even if Timmy was only 6-6, he still would have made a great NBA player.

  • Rez

    Does anyone know what the deal is with Shaq? is he still considering coming to San Antonio? i still wouldnt mind seeing him in silver and black if he signs a small contract.
    the only problem with shaq is that we need to focus on a perimeter defender and 3-point shooting and probably wont have money left for him
    but still has anyone heard anything about him recently?

  • bigtee34

    I kinda hate Matt Bonner. However if pop came into the locker room and said guys I need your left foot because it will help us win matt bonner would saw both feet off for the team. He might not have the body or the athleticism but he has the heart we need more of that.

  • http://mvgennero@yahoo.com mvg03

    Anybody that actually watches Spurs Games and knows basketball know Bonner SUCKS!!! And thats the honest truth!! Look past that he has good character PLEASE

  • ChillFAN

    The hard truth is that Tim and Manu are not playing like they once were. So last year it really mattered when players we depend on Bonner, RJ, Mason and Finley would disappear.

    TradeTP, your assessment of Bonner as a flake is more accurate than the plus minus stats.
    TheBigGuy, Bonner is our #7 guy right now, will get more minutes than Blair for sure.

    I was shocked when RJ went an entire season without any flashes of brilliance, only flashes of role player. I was more shocked when he opted out. I will not be surprised at his 4 yr deal

    Bonner and RJ secure our mediocrity, because we know their ceilings and seem perfectly fine with their floors. No other team wiLl be dumb enough to trade fir them until their contracts expire.

  • bigtee34
  • Brian K

    This comment is directed toward all the Bonner bashers, which seem aplenty in this forum. It seems apparent what you want is a player with more “skill.” A player who will score 15 points a game, average a double double, guard the opposing team’s best interior player, and shit diamonds. It at least seems you’d be unsatisfied with anyone who doesn’t.
    Look, we have our core in place, Timmy, Manu, Tony, and G. Hill, all of whom will be the key players for the Spurs next season. The remaining players take a backseat, as they should, to the aforementioned players. If we were to get such a double-digit scoring player, likely one with an ego if he were to put up such stats, our Spurs would pay a large price. And I don’t mean in dollars.
    I have always been of the school of thought that a team’s chemistry far outweighs a team’s collective skill. It isn’t a far stretch to claim in the years the Spurs won championships, they were not necessarily the most “skilled” team. Teams such as Phoenix, Dallas, and Portand, just to name a few, had far more “skilled” players than the Spurs. However, the Spurs ended up with the rings on their fingers. It is currently Dallas, Miami, and Chicago who are trying to beef their teams up with as much skill as possible to make a title run. I despise such teams. Remember when the Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton all on a team one year, by far the most “skilled” team of that season? The Spurs nearly beat them, and the Detroit effing Pistons embarassed them in five games. I love those teams who will their way to victory. Teams whose chemistry far outweighs their collective talents. A team, like the Spurs. Coach Pop and RC are also believers in such a school of thought, and in such a system it is important for a player to know his or her place. At this, Bonner excells. He is supposedly a great locker room guy, can in fact spread the floor, shoots only when he’s open, guards who he’s told to, and has a great attitude.
    I think we should all sit back, relax, and realize who’s running the show. I, for one, have complete faith in someone who has constructed 4 championship teams.
    Character does matter.

  • Hobson13

    ChillFAN
    July 17th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    “I was shocked when RJ went an entire season without any flashes of brilliance, only flashes of role player.”

    I disagree. The SINGLE biggest reason we were so disappointed with RJ last year was due to our sky-high expectations of what we thought he would bring to the table. I am not trying to defend RJ, in fact, I think he got extremely frustrated and quit on us several times throughout the season. However, the playoffs were a microcosim of his season. Here is just a sample of his stat lines.

    Game 1 Mavs: 1-4 FG 4pts 7 rebs
    Game 2 Mavs: 7-12 FG 19pts 7 rebs
    Game 3 Mavs: 2-3 FG 6pts 3 rebs
    Game 4 Mavs: 6-9 FG 15pts 4 rebs
    Game 1 Suns: 1-3 FG 5pts 3 rebs
    Game 2 Suns: 8-13 FG 18pts 10 rebs

    As you can see, when RJ was INVOLVED on the offensive end, he was a very good and efficient player. When the dude got 3-4 shots/game, he sucked. His problem (whether RJ’s fault or Pops fault) was that he was never consistently involved. One night he had 19/7 the next night he fades into the background. I believe (and hope) that most of these issues will be hammered out with more confidence and a year of Spurs ball under his belt.

    Let me ask you this, Chill. When was the last time we had a SF who could get us 19/7 or 18/10 in big games? The answer: Stephen Jackson who a number on this blog still pine for. Before Jackson was Sean Elliot a Spurs legend. The fact still remains that RJ is the best SF (even after his WORST season since his rookie year) we’ve had in a long while. Don’t buy into the populist belief that RJ sucks or RJ is over the hill or RJ is whatever. RJ simply had a culture shock with the Spurs and never found his way.

    I will freely admit that a $15.2 mill/year RJ is not a good player. His skills in no way justify that level of salary. However, if RJ is stuck signing with the Spurs for $6-7mil/year, then he could be a steal compared to the contracts dished out to other SF’s that have proven NOTHING in their career. (Examples: Travis Outlaw, Josh Childress, John Salmons)

    With Manu and Tim getting older, the offense needs to be more and more turned over to other players such as Hill, Blair, Splitter (if he has the repertoire), and RJ. I do hope Pop allows the young guns (and RJ) to run the show at least during the early part of the year. We simply can’t afford any longer for RJ to go 1-3 every other night. This will take a paradigm shift for Pop, but we won’t compete if we simply have the Big 3 do the bulk of the scoring as they did during our championship runs.

  • tradeTP

    Brian- Character doesnt matter to a point. Im not saying we need thugs. But the fact is we are probably the weakest (in terms of intimidation) there is. We need some tough guys to play a defensive minded scheme and we have none. So shame on PoP for not getting the players or adjusting the system.

    I dont want an all star for my 7th man, although it would be nice. What I do want is someone who ADDS VALUE every time he plays. Not some douche who could possibly hit a three. If Bonner doesnt score a three he is awful, when he does score a three he lets his man or others score, steal it from him or out rebound. It doesnt mean shit if he hits a three and he allows 4 points or 2 more possessions.

    I agree with you about team chemistry, to a point. And I almost disagree with you about locker room presence. Sure Bonner would saw off his foot. He knows there isnt a way in hell another team would give him millions. So he has to do the stuff that no one else would do(problem in the NbA now = a lot of pussies).

    Realistically none of the guys listen to him in the locker room anyway. Im sure he has a great attitude, but no way do the guys that are better than him (every) take his advice. They probably just laugh at him or ignore him.

    Put it this way: If I wanted advice on how to be a better weightlifter I would ask the bodybuilder, not the 200lb overweight guy working the front desk.

  • ThatBigGuy

    @ ChillFAN

    I think you’re wrong about Bonner being #7 in mins played this upcoming season. Last year, Bonner was 10th on the roster in minutes played. Blair was 9th. But I don’t have a crystal ball, so I can’t do anything except just state that we shall see.

  • tradeTP

    Hobson- in reference to RJ. It is TOTALLY POPS FAULT. Here is why:

    Like I have been saying the whole year Tony’s ballhoggery kills players like Jefferson. Hes not a spot up shooter and gets caught in watch mode(like the others). It shouldnt take a basketball genius, like pop (lol), a whole season to figure it out.

    Usage percentages in the playoffs clearly show that when plays are ran to/through RJ he can score. The times he produced nothing were his lowest USG%.

    Either the PG needs to adjust his game, which wont happen. Or pop needs to change his scheme, never.

  • Hobson13

    tradeTP
    July 18th, 2010 at 6:54 am
    “Hobson- in reference to RJ. It is TOTALLY POPS FAULT.”

    I have to believe you are largely right on this issue. Time after time, RJ was simply passed up during the game. It frustrated me to no end to see him put up 20/7 one night only to be followed by a 5/3 game. I agree RJ’s 3pt % sucked, but he shot a respectable 47% from the field last year, which is far from the chucker some said he was. The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.

    Now RJ wouldn’t have solved the fact that we lacked a big to help Tim, had no consistent 3pt shooters, and had virtually no bench. In retrospect, we were a doomed team. However, Pop and the gang never figured out how to maximize the individual talent on the team. I don’t remember a game where virtually everyone contributed in a great win. We simply never clicked on all cylinders nor understood that we can no longer compete by the big 3 scoring 85% of our points. I do hope Pop and Tony come to this revelation before opening night. I see the Spurs as having a formidable mix of veteran and young talent this upcoming season. Let’s just hope Pop and Parker can figure out the most efficient way to leverage it.

  • tradeTP

    That Big Guy- Look at the playoffs he was 7 when it counted.

  • doggydogworld

    @JimHenderson (from 4down thread): “Miami has a measly qualifying offer of a million dollars on the table for Anthony, AND THEY SIMPLY CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE THAN THAT!!”

    Why can’t you admit you simply missed the boat on Anthony? It’s obvious to everyone else and your continued insistence to the contrary only destroys what’s left of your credibility.

    “the Heat were not yet at the cap limit when they signed Anthony, ”

    Wrong again. It’s simple addition:
    43m – Wade/Bosh/James
    8m – Miller/Haslem
    1.9m – James Jones buyout
    1.1m – Anthony cap hold
    0.9m – Chalmers
    2.4m – 0.48m cap holds for 5 empty roster spots
    ——–
    57.7m

    Actual cap is 58.044m, within rounding error. Also Miami may have kept another vet min cap hold like Rafer Alston or Jamaal Magloire, which would put them at 58.044 almost exactly. Anyway, Anthony was never available for $1m or $2m. The whole idea of wasting time on him is silly and the Spurs front office knew it all along.

  • doggydogworld

    In other news, James Jones is staying with the Heat for the vet min.

  • Hobson13

    doggydogworld
    July 18th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    “In other news, James Jones is staying with the Heat for the vet min.”

    Dogg, where did you get this info. I couldn’t find this anywhere. Surely he would rather take more money and playing time to come to SA…

  • td4life

    “The fact still remains that RJ is the best SF (even after his WORST season since his rookie year) we’ve had in a long while.”

    That statement is FALSE.

    While our championship years may have been marked by scoring droughts, I’d take a 30 year old Bruce Bowen any day.

    I don’t particularly like our chances with RJ, and any system where Bonner is seen as an asset. However, we are all expecting a better Richard Jefferson in year two, and barring a trade, we aren’t gonna do better at SF. The main reason to watch anymore is to see the growth of our young guys.

  • Hobson13

    td4life
    July 18th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    “That statement is FALSE.
    While our championship years may have been marked by scoring droughts, I’d take a 30 year old Bruce Bowen any day.”

    Far be it from me to besmirch Bowens reputation. We did win 3 rings with Bruce as a starting SF. With that said, let’s be objective for a moment. Bruce was essentially a one trick pony. I will admit that his one trick (defense) was a pretty big one, however, RJ in his best year averaged 22ppg, 7rebs, and 4 assists. Earlier in his career, RJ was also considered to be a very good defensive presence. I don’t think any objective person would agree that Bowen in his prime was better than RJ in his. RJ was (and hopefully still is) a better all around player than Bruce.

  • Sam
  • Hobson13

    BTW, Doggy was right. The James Jones article just came out and apparently we have another front runner in Jones. Surely the Spurs offered him more than the veteran minimum and yet that’s all he took to go to the Heat. These players are making me sick. Where were all these good players willing to play for nothing when the Spurs were winning rings? Answer: looking for the biggest paycheck. Now we have money to offer and they are riding Legone’s coattails.

  • Jim Henderson

    ThatBigGuy
    July 18th, 2010 at 6:47 am

    As you know, BigGuy, listing Bonner as 10th man in mpg. is a bit misleading. Bonner played just 1.8 mpg. less than our 7th guy, which believe it or not, was Keith Bogans.

    tradeTP
    July 18th, 2010 at 6:54 am
    Hobson13
    July 18th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    I totally disagree. RJ played like an idiot half the time last year, regardless of what Pop did with him (and I’m certainly not saying Pop handled the situation perfectly). Did the role Pop had him in prevent RJ from playing tough, consistent “D”? No. Did Pop prevent him from crashing the boards more consistently? No. Did Pop cause RJ to unjustifiably complain about missing defensive assignments? No. Did Pop cause RJ to miss “clutch” 20 footers, even when getting sufficient touches? No. The fact is, RJ did a terrible job adjusting to being a 4th option. And by the way, Pop NEVER told RJ that all he was going to be was be a spot-up shooter from three, a la Bruce Bowen. The offense was NOT set up so that RJ’s looks were ONLY going to be spot ups from long range. That’s a myth. And by the way, part of the responsibility for RJ disappearing at times has to go to TP. He’s the MVP POINT GUARD!!

    “The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.”

    That’s easier said than done. We do have TD, Manu, and Tony on this team you know.

    “I don’t remember a game where virtually everyone contributed in a great win. We simply never clicked on all cylinders nor understood that we can no longer compete by the big 3 scoring 85% of our points.”

    I agree we should begin to rely a bit less on the big three, but it’s not like our offense was chopped liver out there as it was. We ranked 9th in offensive efficiency, 5th out of WC playoff teams as a 7th seed. And let’s face it, DEFENSE not OFFENSE is supposed to be our calling card. So really, our offense was okay as it was, and that was with two very unproductive role players in the mix on a nightly (Bogans, Mason). RJ just needs to play sharper on a more consistent basis as a third or fourth option.

    ““Miami has a measly qualifying offer of a million dollars on the table for Anthony, AND THEY SIMPLY CAN’T AFFORD ANYMORE THAN THAT!!””

    So, I overstated my case one time out of all the tens of thousands of words I’ve written on this blog, and that somehow suggests that my point is invalidated? I don’t think so. The fact is, we or anyone else could have forced Miami’s hand by putting an LLE offer on the table for Anthony 2 weeks ago. But no, we let them play their hand just how they wanted/needed to.

    “Why can’t you admit you simply missed the boat on Anthony? It’s obvious to everyone else and your continued insistence to the contrary only destroys what’s left of your credibility.”

    I did not miss the boat on Anthony. YOU and everyone else missed the boat on Anthony by claiming to KNOW that Miami was FULLY committed to Anthony all a long, despite the fact that putting an offer out on the table for Anthony early on would have put the Heat in an awful predicament, and that there was indeed a chance they would have ultimately balked on Anthony. In fact, why do you think Anthony is SO valuable that Miami was going to sign him no matter what? Why?! And as far as credibility, I have more credibility than the great majority of people on this blog, including you.

    “Wrong again. It’s simple addition:”

    Jones is only 1.5 million against their cap:

    “Of the $1.86 million that the Heat are paying Jones for the upcoming season, only $1.5 of that will count against their cap space.”

    http://www.peninsulaismightier.com/2010/6/29/1543972/heat-complete-buyout-of-james

    It doesn’t make much sense to use a cap hold for the same guy you’re signing (1.1m, Anthony). Although they probably do have some cap holds on players that aren’t around anymore. Either way, it does not preclude other reasons for why Miami delayed the signing of Anthony (looking for better options at center for the right price, etc.). The fact is, we can’t be reasonably sure that they would have matched on Anthony at 2.0 to 2.4 million two weeks ago. They would have been put on the spot. Based on what we know now, chances are they would have matched, but in my view it would have been worth it to just make the offer at the time and see what happens.

    “Anyway, Anthony was never available for $1m or $2m. The whole idea of wasting time on him is silly and the Spurs front office knew it all along.”

    That’s completely ridiculous. And I never said 1 million. I said 2 million. I guess you think everyone in the league KNEW that Anthony, an extremely one-dimensional, limited player, was a 3 million dollar a year man instead of a 2 million dollar a year man. A guy that’s never made more than 825k and has shown minimal improvement during 3 years in the league at age 27? Yeah right! Just like everyone knew that Amir Johnson is a 7 million dollar a year man, or Wes Matthews is a 7 million dollar a year man, or Channing Frye is a 6 million dollar a year man, or ………. Also, it’s unlikely people knew exactly how much Miami valued Anthony, not just in terms of his game, but more importantly, his intangibles, for which Miami would know much better how to evaluate than anybody else. And how hard would of it have been to make an offer for him 2 weeks ago, when Miami was trying to cleverly keep their options open, and as much CONTROL as possible over their precarious financial/cap situation.? You said yourself that Anthony would have gone against their cap had they signed him BEFORE the others. Why not take a shot a forcing them to do that?

    Also, Anthony is not the only defensive-minded “big” that we haven’t done anything with, but I suppose the “mult-talented”! Amundson is way out of reach too. He’s worth A LOT more than 2.0 to 2.4 million, right?! On the other hand, to you, he probably isn’t worth adding to the roster for any price. You’d rather have Bonner.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    July 18th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    “Bruce was essentially a one trick pony. I will admit that his one trick (defense) was a pretty big one,…..”

    Actually, he had “one trick” on OFFENSE as well: He was a career 39.3% shooter from behind the arc. RJ is a better all-around player than Bruce, but not really as good of a fit for a Spur team that wins with DEFENSE. RJ’s a decent defender, but he’s no Bruce Bowen in this regard.

    Looks like another guy is gone, James Jones. Does anybody have confirmation that we or anybody else even made an offer on Jones?

  • Jim Henderson

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5390603

    “Jones accepted the $1 million veteran’s minimum this season, the newspaper reported. He will also be paid the $1.5 million buyout sum he is owed for the upcoming season. Jones, the Herald reported, had been offered the $6 million mid-level exception by the San Antonio Spurs.”

    But we never had the MLE targeted for anybody else but Splitter?!?

  • doggydogworld

    @Hobson, players still take less to stay with the Spurs. When we were a top contender free agents would sometimes take less to come here.

    The Heat just paid James Jones $6m to buy him out of his old contract. He just signed a $1m vet min contract instead of a presumed $2.3m offer from the Spurs. So it’s 7m total this year vs. 8.3m. Maybe he’s being loyal or maybe he thinks significant playing time on a title team will add more than 1.3m to his value in future years.

    This is one area where our depth hurts us. Raja Bell is confident he’ll get lots of playing time in Utah. James Jones will get lots of time in Miami. If they came here they might get Finley’d.

  • doggydogworld

    @Jim ESPN is wrong. It happens. Other reporters say the Spurs offered the remaining part of the MLE, which is the most we have to offer at this point.

  • ThatBigGuy

    @ Jim

    “Also, Anthony is not the only defensive-minded “big” that we haven’t done anything with, but I suppose the “mult-talented”! Amundson is way out of reach too. He’s worth A LOT more than 2.0 to 2.4 million, right?! On the other hand, to you, he probably isn’t worth adding to the roster for any price. You’d rather have Bonner.”

    My interpretation of this paragraph is that you think we could have signed someone else for the $4 mil that Bonner got. I don’t think Bonner’s money could have been used for anyone other than Bonner. We were over the cap, so we couldn’t sign a free agent unless we used the MLE or LLE. We had his Bird rights, so we could sign him without using our exceptions. I’m thinking this makes the argument that we could have used the money elsewhere invalid, because we couldn’t.

    If I misinterpreted wrong, please forgive.

  • Hobson13

    Jim Henderson
    July 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    “I totally disagree. RJ played like an idiot half the time last year, regardless of what Pop did with him (and I’m certainly not saying Pop handled the situation perfectly).”

    I don’t thing we totally disagree on this issue. I freely admit that RJ, at times, seemed to quit on the team. If he didn’t entirely quit, he, at the very least, lost focus. RJ has all the physical gifts to be a very good defender. He has no excuse for his results on the defensive end.

    However, with that said, what the hell was his role on the offensive end? One night he’s an integral piece of the offense and takes 12-13 shots. The next night (against the very same opponent none-the-less) he’s virtually ignored and takes 3-4 shots. RJ can score and this kind of schizophrenic offensive scheme that went on the entire year no doubt played on his mind. Pop and Tony NEVER figured out what RJ’s role on the offensive end.

    “And by the way, part of the responsibility for RJ disappearing at times has to go to TP. He’s the MVP POINT GUARD!!”

    Precisely. This will piss some of the Tony fans, but this was a big reason why a contingent of Spurs fans wouldn’t mind seeing #9 in another uniform. True George Hill is no Parker, but Hill is actually young and dumb enough to get the ball into the hands of other scorers and get out of the way. Parker’s offensive gifts give him trouble with this idea.

    ““The offense simply needs to be run through him more than what is was for much of last year.”
    That’s easier said than done. We do have TD, Manu, and Tony on this team you know.”

    True, but it has to be done in order for us to have a chance to win. We have tremendous offensive potential in players like Hill and Blair and we all know that a 34yr old Duncan and a 33yr old Manu can no longer carry this team to the promised land without major help. Pop and Tony need to get the hell out of RJ’s way on the offensive end. I’m not saying RJ needs 20 shots/game, but he needs a minimum of 10-12.

    “I agree we should begin to rely a bit less on the big three, but it’s not like our offense was chopped liver out there as it was. DEFENSE not OFFENSE is supposed to be our calling card”

    You’re right. Our offense was the most efficient scoring machine the Spurs have had in a while. With that said, we have the talent to be top 5 offense in the league with more adjustments, better team chemistry, and more experience. I’d say 80% of our issues were on the defensive end and only 20% on the offensive end. We need to be a MUCH better defensive team than our last campaign.

    “RJ’s a decent defender, but he’s no Bruce Bowen in this regard.”

    At this point, RJ isn’t even close to Bowen on the defensive end. With Jefferson, however, his problems are mental. He has the physical gifts and athleticism to be very good. Let’s just hope he gains a greater level of focus and better understands the Spurs defense in his second year, if indeed he comes back.

  • bigtee34

    It was said that pop spent this summer working out Rj. I think this was an attempt to show him exactly what his role is to this team.

  • tradeTp

    I was actually at some of the games and witnessed Jefferson and his teammates getting into it on several occasions (even TD). I think he quit, and as noted before is a big pussy, the games he wasn’t given opportunities to carry or at least co-carry the offensive load.

    You’re both right that his defense blew for the most part. But to give him some credit, I promise you, he was not brought in the system to be a stopper as much as a scorer. Plain and simple.

    As for the offense/defense thing. Its the same exact thing I have been griping about with Matt BOner. Parker’s D rating is worse than his offensive rating. Again you’ve heard me say this 10000000 times; if you score 40 and give up 41 you still lose.

    So there it is, you either have to find guys that fit the system. This isnt Jefferson or Bonner if you still hang your hat on defensive presence. Or you change your scheme.

    Parker is the “FINALS MVP” Henderson. Give it up. He got that because he scored with ease on Hughes, Snow, Gibson…. not seeing those guys in the finals ever again (let alone the 1st round).

    1. coaching has got to get better
    2. players have to get tougher

    Maybe a year will do it. Maybe not. If we fail this year will everyone agree that POP is a fraud?

  • bigtee34

    I found the spurs next target steve novak 6-10
    Weight: 240 shoots at 40% for his career. bonner made over.

  • BALLHOG

    OK, Im hoping that this is a misprint..

    Came across this article today:

    Jones accepted the $1 million veteran’s minimum this season, the newspaper reported. He will also be paid the $1.5 million buyout sum he is owed for the upcoming season. Jones, the Sun Sentinel reported, had been offered the $6 million mid-level exception by the San Antonio Spurs.

    Spurs actually offered the mid level to this guy? These guys are funny, yet terrifying…

  • ThatBigGuy

    @ ballhog

    You must not believe everything you read, lest you forget that the MLE was reserved for Splitter this year. ESPN isn’t always right.

  • knecht

    Change TP with Luol Deng
    Both team win

  • Bushka

    Woah Tradetp let me get this straight..

    Pop needs to run the offence through RJ to make him effective!!!!????? Genius!

    Tony’s ballhoggery (get a thesaurus buddy you need help), is the culprit for Richard Jefferson not being able to shoot the corner three and in general not having the basketball i.q to get a handle on the spurs schemes both Offensively and Defensively?

    R.C & Pop didn’t bring him in here to carry the team and put pretty numbers on a box score. They bought him in here to be a reliable 4th option.

    Heres a news flash…he fell off a cliff in terms of production. Apparently it was everyone else’s fault or as is the case in every one of your posts, it was Pops fault that RJ sucked. Closesl followed by Tony Parker…

    At some point I think you’ve confused your goals with those of the franchise.

    I.e you like to bend every post to hammer Pop, Bonner, and TP.

    The franchise likes to get a 4th scoring option who is reliable…

    which of these statements are you trying to go with here….Because they are not mutually exclusive.

    Also calling Bonner a dipshit was outstanding. You really know how to class up the joint.

    In final response to your question.

    No if we fail in the finals this year I don’t believe Pop is a fraud, however I will believe for all eternity that you are a wanker.

  • ChillFAN

    Wow, lots of intensity for mid July, I like it–there are probably 2 parts of every Spurs fan

    The (1) part that is proud of knocking off the Mavs last year, and the (2) part that just wants to see the Spurs beat the Heat, Lakers and Celtics this coming year.

    No one “hates” Bonner. The reason he and RJ are polarizing is that it is unclear if their defense hurts #(2) above. So forgive me if I’m not as giddy as the FO.

    Hobs 13, good points. Lets see how the RJ thing plays out. The names you mentioned would not have been bad options: Childress, Outlaw, Salmons.

    @That Big Guy, I guess since I saw BOnner come off the bench so quickly, I was penciling him in as a #7, not sure how will stack up in terms of critical minutes played this season. My point is he is not our #11 man, as you stated, but actually part of the 8 man playoff rotations Pop likes to use.

  • Jim Henderson

    doggydogworld
    July 18th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    “@Jim ESPN is wrong. It happens. Other reporters say the Spurs offered the remaining part of the MLE, which is the most we have to offer at this point.”

    Yeah, I subsequently saw that other reporters got it right. 5.9 vs. 2.3 mil. was kind of a big mistake, but as you say, it happens.

    ThatBigGuy
    July 18th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    “My interpretation of this paragraph is that you think we could have signed someone else for the $4 mil that Bonner got.”

    NO! I was just being sarcastic, suggesting that doggy would rather have Bonner’s OFFENSE for 4 million, than Amundson’s DEFENSE for 2 million. I KNOW THAT WE COULD SIGN BOTH, however, we know that having SIX bigs in a rotation is VERY uncommon, particularly when Bonner was just signed for 16 million to be our FIFTH big. I doubt our intention was to give him that contract to be our SIXTH big, or to trade him. It’s just not very realistic.

    “We were over the cap, so we couldn’t sign a free agent unless we used the MLE or LLE. We had his Bird rights, so we could sign him without using our exceptions. I’m thinking this makes the argument that we could have used the money elsewhere invalid, because we couldn’t.”

    I know that.

    “If I misinterpreted wrong, please forgive.”

    You’re forgiven!

  • Bushka

    I’m ambivelent about Bonner. He didn’t kill any of our MLE, so we grab him. Like Jim I’d welcome Amundson with open arms. Really feel like he is a valuable energy guy that always does positive stuff.

    I will never understand this idea that Tonys a “selfish” basketball player. This ridiculous notion that PG’s are there to pass the ball and hit open shots when everyone else has had a turn belongs in the history books.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    July 18th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    “One night he’s an integral piece of the offense and takes 12-13 shots. The next night (against the very same opponent none-the-less) he’s virtually ignored and takes 3-4 shots.”

    Well, your observation of RJ’s inconsistent play is correct, but the “reason” (that he was “virtually ignored”) is at least questionable, particularly if the “reason” for him being “ignored” is attributed mainly to Pop. The fact is, it is just as likely that RJ took himself out of flow of the action, or that the guards on the team could not figure out how to get him really involved in the offense on a consistent basis. But to be honest, I put it mainly on RJ. RJ simply did not play with confidence like he has in the past, and CONFIDENCE is HUGE in b-ball, as you know. Veteran, talented guys that have confidence on a nightly basis are usually going to figure out how to make their mark on that game, whether it’s scoring, rebounding, or defense. There were too many games where RJ had no to little impact on the game. RJ has to be willing to assume responsibility to better our team. If he feels like the guards aren’t getting him the ball in the right spots, he needs to demand that from his teammates. This guy’s a 9-year vet, former freaking all-star. He can’t allow himself to disappear into the woodwork just because his teammates don’t feed him the ball on a silver platter. Get cocky, get assertive, demand the ball, make plays at the defensive end & on the boards, and by all means, EARN your new teammates respect for God’s sake!

    “Pop and Tony NEVER figured out what RJ’s role on the offensive end.”

    That may be true, but it’s just as likely that RJ simply didn’t take a bull by its horns and run with it. He was too timid, too afraid to make a “mistake”, and he turned himself into a different player. I can tell you right now, Pop did not ask RJ to simply be a spot-up three point shooter a la Bruce Bowen. They had options in their offense for him (to utilize his strength at slashing to the rack, for example), but RJ was just too indecisive, too deferential, and did not act like the old, confident RJ. I do hold TP partly responsible, but I give him a partial pass because he was saddled with chronic pain and injuries the whole year (I know what that’s like!). Nevertheless, TP’s got to push RJ to be more aggressive, and make more of a special effort to get RJ involved early on, particularly in transition, which is a major strength in RJ’s game. Leadership is inherently a big part of a championship caliber point guard’s role. I’m confident TP will do a better job of this this year, but RJ has to be ready, responsive, and accountable.

    “Pop and Tony need to get the hell out of RJ’s way on the offensive end. I’m not saying RJ needs 20 shots/game, but he needs a minimum of 10-12.”

    You see, this is where we might have a “slight” disagreement. For me, the main thing is for RJ to be FULLY INVOLVED in the game on a consistent basis through proper preparation, aggressiveness, confidence, & effort. I really don’t have a set minimum number of shot attempts that I think is important for RJ to reach every game. I would however like to see an overall more consistent & balanced performance in ALL facets of the game, which of course, generally speaking includes “not having as broad of a range in shot attempts” (some games 4 attempts, other games 20). I’d like to see that range be much narrower on a consistent basis (e.g., generally between 8 & 15 shot attempts per game). But the main thing is that even when his shot attempts are closer to eight (or even below, on occasion), he has to be even better on “D”, he has to get himself to the line more, and he must be even better on the boards so that he’s almost always making a solid “impact” on the game.

    “With that said, we have the talent to be top 5 offense in the league with more adjustments, better team chemistry, and more experience.”

    I agree, but you also seem to agree that defense is more of a priority right now, and that’s not just for RJ, that’s everyone down the line. It’s our only chance at getting a crack at a WCF appearance.

    “At this point, RJ isn’t even close to Bowen on the defensive end. With Jefferson, however, his problems are mental.”

    That’s at least part of it. I agree that he has the physical tools to be better defensively than what he showed last year, and he’ll have to be for us to have a chance.

  • andy

    wow, i spend a week in mongolia and look what happens.

    relieved that we’ve finally signed splitter (and what a contract!), am ok with signing bonner, though less/year would’ve been nicer.

    after reading up and watching some clips, i’m getting more excited about the upcoming season. if we can resign jefferson to a reasonable contract and get him to commit harder to defense, i think we’re pretty close to contention. maybe another wing or big who can soak up some minutes with energy and defense would do it.

    tell bonner he needs more variety. call me back when he makes a good muffaletta.