Pop: I wouldn’t expect a trade

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Via the Express-News:

“We’ve talked to teams, teams have talked to us,” Popovich said. “That goes on all year long. It just intensifies come trade deadline. That’s what teams do. You’re always trying to make yourself better.

“As we all know, though, very few things actually happen at the trade deadline, and I wouldn’t expect anything to happen for us, either.”

That being said, there are reasons to believe otherwise: Tim Varner (who is at the game, but missed the pre-game presser at which Pop made the above comments) said he was just handed the starting lineup and neither Jefferson nor McDyess are in it. Bogans and Bonner are starting in their place, along with Parker, Duncan and Hill.

On a normal night I’d say this is just another wacky lineup move by Pop, but on the day before the trade deadline it has more significance. Players are often held out of games the day before the trade deadline if the team is intent on moving them. If you don’t see either McDyess or Jefferson check in tonight, that’s why. However, according to Tim, they are dressed.

Update: Both Jefferson and McDyess have checked into the game, so my earlier thoughts have proven to be nothing more than trigger-happy speculation.

  • Tydus

    Pop doesn’t expect a deal. Well the rest of us are expecting/hoping for one.

  • idahospur

    Anything could happen. Teams play it cool until the 11th hour and then have to truly decide if they want to spend the rest of the year with this group. Unfortunately, the Spurs probably want to dump some tax money and have it translate into playoff success. Who knows? Maybe we’ll all be shocked by what Pop is secretly thinking of?

  • not as good as I once was

    I believe the Spurs will keep thier cards close to thier vest. I also believe they will make the right decisions in the long run. So far this season has not worked out but I don’t blame management. Everyone and I mean everyone believed in the moves they made at the beginning of the season. Who would of thought it would turn out the way it has so far. I’ll put my faith in the Spurs to do what is best for the Spurs, be it now or after the season ends.

  • lvmainman

    What an atrocious starting lineup. 1st 8 baskets for Pacers, 7 layups. Bonner scored on by Watson on an up and under move.

    But, the depth of the Spurs is showing. I’ve said since training camp, 10 Spurs players should play at least 12 minutes a night every single game. Tell them play all out for 6 minute stretches and someone will sub on the bench due to the depth of good(not great) players.

    Playing a slew of midget ball but so far so good.

  • JT

    man, the Spurs are catching up to the old cliche… they are boooooorrrrrrriiiiiinnnnngggggg.

    They played decent againt Denver, not back to their old selves.

    Why doesn’t anyone speak of how Timmy has sucked lately, what happened to him, he played great at the beginning of the season, and he can’t do anything now, he jumps about 4 inches now. He is just soooo weak….

  • JT

    uhmm when was the last time Many made a jump shot that wasn’t a 3?

  • JT

    Manu*

  • Ian

    @JT – TD’s stats for the last 4 games: 14.5 ppg 10 rpg 1.75 bpg with 53% FG (26/49). I don’t know, but normally I wouldn’t call such stats as “weak” or “sucking lately”. The guy’s also 33 for crying out loud – it’s natural to lose a lot of athleticism at such an age… give him a break.

  • lvmainman

    Midget ball up 64-50 when Duncan went to the bench with Hibbert on the floor didn’t go so well. Now it’s 69-67 Spurs, a 5 to 17 run against midget ball(no one over 6′ 6″ on the floor for the Spurs).

  • Phoebus

    Finley, Ratliff, and Mahinmi are your DNP-Trade Speculation posse. What light does that shed?

  • ThatBigGuy

    26 rebounds and 2 crucial tip-outs in the final seconds. That Timmy sure sucks!

    (That’s called sarcasm.)

    Got the W.

  • Mr. Anonymous

    Loool @ TD’s statline.

    8 points (4/23)… 26 rebounds… 5 assists… 2 blocks… 2 steals…

    Legend.

  • Ian

    Aaaaand TD also had +19 for +/- stat. Yup he sure is weak.

  • SpursfanSteve

    come back in 3 or 4 years JT and then your comments might be valid :)

  • lvmainman

    Wow, I’m conflicted with the win. Great to see Ginobili and Jefferson come thru in the clutch in the 4th qtr.

    But, Pacers had 3 open looks at the 3 in the 4th qtr from Ford in the corner, Murphy at top of key, and Dunleavy left of top of key that all missed with nobody guarding them. But, no way being up 64-50, should the Spurs be down 69-75 with Duncan on the bench. Should never happen.

    This new starting lineup for the 12 minutes on the floor, I believe scored 17 points. What a waste.

  • JT

    Oh God, you guys are hilarious, if Jefferson had those same stats, you would all be saying how crappy he played. I never said that Timmy SUCKS!!! but if you don’t admit that his game has declined in the last 20 games, then you are crazy.

    Yeah he grabbed a bunch of rebounds, come on… its the Pacers!!! You guys are all excited that we beat a team that has lost 35 games by 3 points, but then complain when we lose to the Lakers. Doesn’t make any sense!!! I would rather lose to the Lakers and play well than win by 3 points to this team. Horrible, horrible game!!!! We better trade by tomorrow because it isn’t pretty.

  • wannabe_fan

    Even though it “was” the Pacers…good win. Good Road Win. Like all season, they had them where they wanted them…then let the Pacers back in the game.

    I thought RJ should good hustle…even played some “D”! Keep it up dude!

  • Ian

    @JT – If RJ had 8 points, 26 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals, +19 for +/- and a few clutch plays, or had 14-10 game with 53% shooting, I would gladly say that his 15 mil contract is worth every penny.
    Having said that, I think RJ played well today though.

  • ThatBigGuy

    Anybody else catch the fact that Drew Gooden just got traded from Dallas to Washington on Monday and then just got traded to the Clippers today? That poor guy better be renting…

  • JT

    You guys are not being rational. I love Timmy, I’m not saying he is a bad player, but his game has declined a lot since the beginning of the season when he was by far the best player on the court.

    He shot 4 for 24 tonight. He also shot 3 for 20 a couple of weeks ago and also had 20 plus rebounds (makes sense). I agree that he made it up on other areas, but if you don’t see the decline, then I don’t what to say except that “you can’t handle the truth”.

    I think his knees are being a problem and we are not being told, because ever since his 20000 he has not been the same.

  • ThatBigGuy

    Dallas to Washington on Saturday, my bad.

  • JT

    lol, Gooden is going for the Guinness Record :)

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Graydon Gordian

    I’ll admit, I do feel a little bad for Gooden. What’s the record for the most NBA teams an individual player has been on?

    Also, the Bucks trade Kurt Thomas and Fransisco Elson for John Salmons. So that happened.

  • Zach R.

    What about this one:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz7aasr

    I’d think with such a pass-first point guard such as Nash (like Kidd in NJ) with him, you could even make the case that RJ wouldn’t be such a bad fit in the system, from a Phoenix standpoint… then again thats what we thought.

  • JT

    and in what time span, he has been in Kins, Chicago, Spurs, Dallas, Washington, Clippers…

    All in about a year!!! Did I miss any?

  • Ian

    Saying “Timmy is not the player he used to be (ie. he’s declining)” and saying “Timmy sucks” has miles of difference. If you don’t get the difference, then what can I say? Everyone sees that he is declining but he doesn’t necessarily “suck” at what he does.

    Now the term “journey man” should exclusively be reserved for Gooden for his ordeals… poor guy.

  • Zach R.

    I just re-read the recent comments after I posted this and realized how out of place it was. Haha, my bad.

  • Ian

    Urgh and not to mention that Clips will likely buy him out and he’ll sign a new contract in a few weeks.

  • Ali

    wasnt this the worst possible line-up? i like RJ to the bench(I think he should start but coming off the bench is not awful) but I dont like Bonner starting at all, and RMJ needs to start. Awful Awful line-up. with this line-up we will have no chance against the elite teams.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Graydon Gordian

    If you count the Wizards (for whom Gooden never played a game) he’s been on nine teams: Memphis, Orlando, Cleveland, Chicago, Sacramento, San Antonio, Dallas, Washington and now the L.A. Clippers. All since 2002.

  • JT

    k guys I’ll admit my mistake, I shouldn’t have said
    “Timmy has been sucking lately”, I should have phrased it just “he hasn’t been himself.”

    Thanks for being there :)

  • ThatBigGuy

    I really feel bad for Gooden. If he has a family, this has got to be hell on them.

    But he’s probably gonna make close to $50 million over his career, so I don’t feel to bad.

  • Hobson13

    I sure hope to hell the front office does something before 2 pm tomorrow! We won by 3 against the Pacers, for gods sake! If all we do is unload a few bums for draft picks lets do it!! It aint gonna get any better this year. We are finished with the current squad. We need to move on.

  • Nouse4aname

    I just learned that gooden finally gave up on renting a place to live. He finally bought himself a mobile home to keep up with his lifestyle. Hahahahaha. Poor sod man.

  • Slaw1981

    I ran across this on SI.com, and I didn’t see it discussed anywhere. Maybe your thoughts that a Jefferson deal is coming wasn’t that far off.

    Is this believable or just another rumor that has been twisted (like Mason and McDyess)?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/02/16/jefferson.rumors/index.html

  • SpursfanSteve

    In all seriousness though, JT, i do see your point but i dont think his knees would hurt his shot that much. His jump shot has never had much jump to it. I think if his knees were bugging him his other numbers would suffer more than his points, especially his blocks, but i dont think those numbers are off as much this season from his career averages as they were last year. But i also havent checked so feel free to correct me if i’m wrong.

  • JT

    I’m not much of a stats guru, I go by how I see him playing and I’ve seen a big difference from the beginning of the season… hey I hope that he’s just saving himself for the playoffs, he always comes back strong during the playoffs.

    I just hate when I see him get a rebound and miss an easy put back because he only jumped 2 inches of the floor.

    I’ll have faith!!!!

  • JT

    man, Antwan Jamison would have been nice…

  • Samuel

    I’m just glad the comments aren’t 80% “trade manu” cries. Ridiculous.

  • Phoebus

    9 teams isn’t anywhere close to the record.

  • Big J

    I’m going to base my trade speculation based off tonight’s game minutes. Following this line of thinking:

    1) Mason (22:28)…stays
    2) RJ (29:36)…stays
    3) McDyess (7:00)…is moving

    Let’s also note that Finley didn’t play (trade bait) and Bonner only played for (12:32).

  • -SONofSAN-

    I hope spurs do something! at LEAST trade bonner, finley, and bogans for somebody decent! its not like there doing much now anyways! I know who ever we get wont put us over the edge, but at least we can compete at a higher level!

  • zack

    finley bonner and ian do nothing for this team not because they cant but because pop doesnt use them right, anyhow those three need to be traded to get someone we can hopefully use, you know depending on if they not too young, athletic, want to play in front of finley i mean those are the rules when playing for pop

  • http://www.dominicanbaseballguy.blogspot.com/ KW

    Tim also takes it easy during the regular season. He did the same thing the last couple years then looked great in the playoffs.

    Yes Antoine Jamison or Stoudemire would work. Someone better than Drew Gooden like last year. But prob nothing happens. Maybe they sign a free agent. I would like to see a trade but doubt it. Maybe a free agent pickup.

    Even if they do nothing, they get on a streak and this team can do it. They have Tim Duncan after all.

  • paniolo50

    According to Chris Sheridan of ESPN, prior to being traded to the Milwaukee Bucks, the Chicago Bulls and San Antonio Spurs had a deal to send John Salmons to the Spurs in exchange for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner.

    The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.

    Salmons was told yesterday to stay at the team hotel, which signaled a trade in the works.

    Salmons was never seen as a legitimate starter until he made a name for himself in last season’s playoffs. He defended Paul Pierce well and he showed that he could be a threat on the offensive end, averaging 18.1 points per game in the thrilling opening round series against the Celtics.

    Salmons, once drafted by the Spurs, would have provided some perimeter defense and offense to the Spurs, but in the end, the Spurs were still not addressing a glaring need — a legit big man.

    Stay with Project Spurs as the trade deadline nears at 3 P.M. EST today ands be sure to come back at noon CST for a trade deadline live chat. To stay up to date with all of the latest trade rumors, be sure to check out Project Spurs Trade Central.

    Michael De Leon contributed to this post.

    Salmons Trade

    written by paniolo50, February 18, 2010

    if you look at this trade it hints of another trade, Chicago doesn’t need two more bigs they don’t have room for what they have now. Elson and Thomas are to cover a Tyus trade. it could be Spurs if you do a trade machine. Salmons goes to Milwaukee to give them a shooting guard to replace Redd.Chicago gets gets Elson and thomas but they only need one, so they can trade Tyrus and Elson or Thomas ( Elson to me would be preferable) and spurs send back Bonner and Mason. This gives Chicago a stretch 4 and a replacement shooting guard for Salmons. Spurs get young big and veteran big who knows system. if it works great, if not the contracts expire at end of season. Chicago gets replacement parts for this season and between the 2 trades gets 11 mil ( useing Elson contract) in cap space at end of season. I think this is great for everbody. Maybe not as good for Bucks, but really it doesn’t matter b/c they have completed their trade with bulls already!http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfacrt7

  • paniolo50

    According to Chris Sheridan of ESPN, prior to being traded to the Milwaukee Bucks, the Chicago Bulls and San Antonio Spurs had a deal to send John Salmons to the Spurs in exchange for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner.

    The Bulls had been in discussions with the Spurs on a deal that would have sent Salmons to San Antonio for Roger Mason and Matt Bonner, but those talks died.

    Salmons was told yesterday to stay at the team hotel, which signaled a trade in the works.

    Salmons was never seen as a legitimate starter until he made a name for himself in last season’s playoffs. He defended Paul Pierce well and he showed that he could be a threat on the offensive end, averaging 18.1 points per game in the thrilling opening round series against the Celtics.

    Salmons, once drafted by the Spurs, would have provided some perimeter defense and offense to the Spurs, but in the end, the Spurs were still not addressing a glaring need — a legit big man.

    Stay with Project Spurs as the trade deadline nears at 3 P.M. EST today ands be sure to come back at noon CST for a trade deadline live chat. To stay up to date with all of the latest trade rumors, be sure to check out Project Spurs Trade Central.

    Michael De Leon contributed to this post.


    written by paniolo50, February 18, 2010

    if you look at this trade it hints of another trade, Chicago doesn’t need two more bigs they don’t have room for what they have now. Elson and Thomas are to cover a Tyus trade. it could be Spurs if you do a trade machine. Salmons goes to Milwaukee to give them a shooting guard to replace Redd.Chicago gets gets Elson and thomas but they only need one, so they can trade Tyrus and Elson or Thomas ( Elson to me would be preferable) and spurs send back Bonner and Mason. This gives Chicago a stretch 4 and a replacement shooting guard for Salmons. Spurs get young big and veteran big who knows system. if it works great, if not the contracts expire at end of season. Chicago gets replacement parts for this season and between the 2 trades gets 11 mil ( useing Elson contract) in cap space at end of season. I think this is great for everbody. Maybe not as good for Bucks, but really it doesn’t matter b/c they have completed their trade with bulls already!http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yfacrt7

  • Steve9121

    OMG!!! When the hell are the Spurs gonna listen to their fans plea to trade Manu? His reckless passing habits lose as many games(if not more) as he wins for us. Not to mention in every game I’ve been able to watch this year, his shooting has been horrible. Get rid of him before no one else wants him. Ideally I’d like to see Manu, Bonner, and a seldom used(maybe Theo) go to Portland for Aldridge and Webster. I know I’m dreaming, Portland would be insane to give up Aldridge, but if we could pull it off by adding a draft pick- pull the trigger. I’d like to see them get Thaddeus Young from the Sixers(great defense), and DeAndre Jordan from the Clippers would be a solid addition looking toward the future. Bottom line, Manu’s too reckless, and Bonner isn’t athletic enough or effective enough. Even if we don’t get a SG back, give Mason some more minutes. I don’t know why he’s been in the dog house, he was great for us last year.

  • td4life

    @Steve9121

    I spend lots of time in portland, and Aldridge is the number one whipping boy of disgruntled fans, (followed only by Webster who is the Blazer fans most wanted to live without), nobody loves a soft big PF who thinks he’s a shooting guard. That said, your trade proposal is without a doubt an impossible dream, NO WAY whatsoever the savvy Blazer FO (trained by the Spurs organization) trades the youth, size, and talent of Aldridge for so little. Right now, locals are really hoping to trade Aldridge in a in a package to give Toronto something back for Chris Bosh this summer, and have Roy alongside CB and Oden (backed by Camby and Pryzbila) and Batum. Webster can be had for very little, he is forever losing his starting SF spot to other guys, he is finally starting to show adequate defense, and will always be super streaky (and often a disappearing act) on offense. Is he better than RJ has been, maybe. But is he really the answer we need?

    DeAndre Jordon may never be the answer for anyone, the clippers are about to find out over the next 40 games. Washington will determine the same regarding Thornton. That said, I would be willing to try those guys out, we need to do something!

    As for your “OMG!” regarding Manu: I’d love to see a poll on this website regarding whether Spurs fans would rather part with Tony or Manu… Comments to the “Wayne Winston part 1″ blog by BlaseE, myself, and others point out what has long been obvious to the intelligent fan… Manu elevates team play, and this is statistically proven, far more than Parker does. Parker’s lack of playmaking, IQ, and defense where acceptable when Tim, Manu, and Bowen could pick up the slack, but his one dimensionality should be exchanged while we can still get some value for him, using the same logic you suggested.

    I am quite sure that comments to a 48MoH poll for those in favor/against trading Manu, and another for Parker would a) contradict your “fans plea” comment, and b) would show much sounder reasoning by the “keep Manu” contingent versus the starstruck “Tony is an Allstar” loyalists. Sure we only get a few more years of Manu, but he’s an real asset, and currently our 2nd best player… I do agree with you though: we do need more true ballers.