Portland Trail Blazers 100, San Antonio Spurs 92: The youngins keep it close, but fall short in the end

by Andrew A. McNeill

AT&T CENTER - I wanted to do everything I could not to mention who played, and didn’t play, in my recap tonight. Unfortunately, it was the biggest factor in the game and has to be acknowledged.

Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili were both expected not to play with injury. That wasn’t a surprise at all. But a little over an hour before game time, news came that Tony Parker and Antonio McDyess would join Duncan and Manu in street clothes.

The gaping holes in the rotation vacated by the big three and Dice left the Spurs lacking significant firepower on both the offensive and defensive ends. And yet the Spurs still scored 92 points, and put in their best quarter of defense of the season, statistically speaking, in holding the Blazers to nine points in the third quarter.

Where the Spurs really missed four of their starters was in the conditioning department. While the players the Spurs did have available kept them in the game and had them in a position to win, the missing pieces — those who normally occupy the bulk of the minutes — left the others to fatigue as the game neared the end.

A 15-1 run for Portland from the 9:18 mark to the 2:02 point turned a 8-point Spurs lead into a 6-point deficit.

When asked after the game if he thought the team got tired, Spurs Head Coach Gregg Popovich admitted that they did, but refused to acknowledge that as the reason for the dry stretch.

“They haven’t played that much, but they sure didn’t play like they were tired,” Coach Pop said.

Instead, he simply felt the team didn’t make shots, simple as that.

“It’s a game that happens to everybody from time-to-time,” he said. “Sometimes they don’t go down.”

And while he’ll say publicly that missing shots was a big reason for the loss. I’m hard-pressed to believe that’s what he thinks when he looks at the film from the game.

But that the Spurs were so close in this game speaks to the effort and energy level provided by those in uniform. From the outset, the Spurs were active on the defensive end and worked hard. It didn’t produce results in the box score, as the Spurs gave up 58 points on 60% from the floor.

But it finally manifested itself in the third quarter when San Antonio held Portland to just nine points, a season low for points in a quarter by a Spurs opponent.

George Hill led the Spurs with 27 points, but was forced to play 38 minutes and eventually fouled out late in the game. Gary Neal was the opposite of Hill, offensively. Neal shot 3-14 in the game for eight points, including a depressing 2-10 in the fourth quarter.

A gold star goes to Tiago Splitter who, in addition to his 14 points and nine rebounds, helped limit LaMarcus Aldridge to just nine points and three rebounds in 37 minutes of action. Splitter did well to stay in front of Aldridge on the perimeter and put a body on him down low.

Splitter looks like he’s getting closer and closer to earning some minutes in the playoff rotation. Hopefully.

  • Blofeld

    I just wanted to point out the obvious…Splitter’s defense on Aldridge. Really impressive, especially considering what a great year Aldridge has had…9 points on 4 of 10 shooting…wow.

  • Blofeld

    I also wanted to point out the obvious (part 2)…Jefferson really, really, really sucks! You would think, as the only “starter” playing tonight, that he would’ve stepped up and lead the team. Instead, George stepped up, AND OVER, Jefferson’s lifeless corpse. Any chance R.C. could trade him for a used gym bag next season?

  • Bruno

    Great Recap. Neal struggling and RJ/Bonner choke killed us. But i don’t expect win this game without Manu,Timmy and Tony.
    Splitter/Hill played very well.
    One thing i can’t understand is WHY Chip changed Splitter shooting style, the guy shot 79% FTs with old style…

  • Sauce

    Great game.

    My key points of the game:

    1) Danny Green was awesome. If only he was taller and bigger, he could eat up Richard Jefferson’s minutes. He played great defense and shot the ball well.

    2) Tiago is really showing promise. A couple months ago I commented in this blog about how Tiago will never be more than a rotation player because he had bad hands and a weak core body. He is making me eat my words by locking down Aldridge twice now, making high IQ passes and just playing hard. If only his hook shot was better…

    3) George Hill is showing that he can be a go to scorer in the very near future. Hopefully he can pick up the court awareness from Tony Parker since he will never become a very good point guard in the passing and court awareness sense.

    4) Steve Novak is horrendous on defense. At least Bonnar tries. There was one play near the end of the 3rd quarter or the beginning of the 4th. Sean Elliot mentions that they put Novak into the game to guard Camby because Camby isn’t offensive minded. That very play on defense, shot goes up, Novak is on the right side of the box sort of boxing out his man and he inexplicably hurriedly moves over to the left side of the box to get away from contact. I almost yelled out in anger. Novak is SOFT. I rather have Bonnar who is in a shooting slump who at least tries than someone who is soft. Not to mention how Wallace abused Novak…

    Overall, great game for the Spurs up until the midway point of the 4th quarter. Really shows how important Timmy is, as well as Ginobli and Parker to close out games. Very excited though with our young prospects though.

  • junierizzle

    Fudge!! I thought they would pull it out. But there was no way Portland was going to lose this one. That loss would have been really bad for them.

    The bright spot continues to be TIAGO during this stretch. I think he’s already earned some playoff minutes if you ask me.

    Nice to see GHill coming around too.

    I don’t know what to expect anymore from this season. I just hope everyone is ready to go come playoff time.

    Wow. A perfect storm of injuries…………………………………

  • LA loves SA

    I don’t think HCA is the end all, but does anyone think we can or will maintain the #1 seed in the west (let alone overall) given where we are at? The lakers are in playoff form and even before Duncan and Manu went out we were not sharp. Now we look like SA of early 2009 (only beating sub .500 clubs). I am a die hard SA fan living in LA and I hate to admit it, but I don’t think we can win it this year. Heck, I think we are hard pressed to make it out of the first round (regardless of seating) the way we have played since the allstar break. Someone please give me a spark of hope because it looks bad for what could be TD’s last year.

  • Bob

    I think Splitter has more than earned playoff minutes. He should be starting next to Duncan. He’ll make his job easier and improve the defense. Then you can have Dice and Blair/Bonner of the bench depending on the matchups. Too bad it took an injury to Duncan for people to see he can improve the defense. Hopefully Pop makes the right decision in choosing defense vs offense.

  • Peter

    Not great numbers from Neal, but did anyone have a problem with his shot selection? Looked like mostly good shots to me. Lots of rim-outs, too.

  • Rafael

    Bruno
    March 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
    “One thing i can’t understand is WHY Chip changed Splitter shooting style, the guy shot 79% FTs with old style…”

    Really?79%? If this is true, Chip is doing a horrible work

  • Rafael

    Good to see Hill playing well, Green looks very good defensive player. Hope we can get all starters back against Boston

  • Mark B

    Neal’s shot selection was fine, he just was missing late. I’d live with him doing the same again, that’s his game, and usually he’s deadly. Bad time to go cold shooting the threes. If the team had just an average night shooting 3s and freethrows it’s an easy win. And it’s not like Portland did a good job guarding the 3 point line, there were lots of open looks. I’m just guessing Neal and company were tired late in the game … although it didn’t seem to me that he was getting a whole lot more moments than he usually gets.

  • Jacques

    @Peter
    Agree. The shot selection weren’t bad at all. The ball just did not go in. Perhaps Gary was tired…

    Bonner and Novak played lofty minutes. Seriously, these guys need to be better w/ their defense. Be more aggressive. Rotation was slow towards the end. Gerald’s 3 killed our hopes.

    I thought this was the game when RJ will finally make at least 10+ field goal attempts. The game proves to me that RJ will never be a 2nd or 3rd scoring option again regardless of who is injured.

    Go Spurs, hope the starters heal quickly

  • Titletown99030507d

    Tiago’s confidence is growing and he’s proving to be a legitimate playoff minute taker. I just hope Pop doesn’t roll out with the exact lineup that started the season. That would suck. It only makes it harder on Timmy, they need the two big guys on the floor to start the playoffs and let the opposing teams decide how they are going to defend our two big dudes. And 3 of your best penetrators and shooters to those two and we are set at least for the first 7-8 minutes of the game and then make the necessary substitutions there after. 1st seed or 2nd seed I don’t care as long as the boys are locked and loaded and ready for the run. I can’t wait for the playoffs! GSG!

  • LAKERS3PEAT_AGAIN

    Spurs Stumble as Lakers EXPLODE past them. Can you say peaked too early!!!!!!!!! 3PEAT

  • Spurholic in Mumbai

    How’s the HCA position after these 4 losses? Request team 48 MOH to comment. Also, when will TD be back. Is karma getting back, after an unblievable start to the season.

  • Colin

    Just like to reiterate with a few past posts of mine which stated exactly why Novak should NOT be on the court for any meaningful minutes…………………………………He cant guard my kitchen table! As evidenced tonight.

    Splitter is improving. Very good, promising sign.

  • http://www.bigal.com Alec

    The Spurs must now go 6-2 or defeat Los Angeles at Staples to get the #1 seed, if the Lakers win the rest of their games. Los Angeles will be tested by the Mavs and Thunder at Staples, but should win both. And LA will also have tough games at Portland and Sacramento (the Kings’ final game at Arco Arena), but should also win those too. I project losses for SA at Houston and at Los Angeles, but really believe the Spurs could win the other six games, with the road tilt at Phoenix perhaps providing the greatest test, since it will be the Suns’ last game of the season. Coach Pop better not rest Timmy vs. the Rockets (assuming Timmy plays Thursday vs. Boston).

  • Renato Afonso

    First of all, Lakers’ fan here. Regarding the current form of SA, I don’t think you need to worry. Your bench is solid and this extra burn will get them some confidence for the upcoming playoffs.

    Regarding Splitter, I saw him play a lot before he joined the NBA and also with the Brazil squad. He is a solid player and you haven’t seen the best of him. Once he gets enough minutes on the floor, you’ll see him rack up double-doubles (12 and 10, no more than that ) on a regular basis but he will also be able to turn the best opposite big ineffective (unless his name his Dwight or Andrew and he’s phisically overmatched). But this is not about he future, which will be very bright in SA, it’s about the present.

    The Lakers are not gunning to the 1st seed, but instead trying to lock the 2nd seed and hence avoiding OKC (the scary matchup) and not give Dallas, Chicago, Boston and Miami HCA if those matchups are to happen. SA is a different animal and both teams have a longstanding rivalry. Long enough to know that HCA will mean nothing in the conference finals.

    So, the 1st seed will probably get something like NO, OKC/Den in the first two rounds and the 2nd seed Mem/Por, Dal in those same rounds. Personally, I prefer the 2nd seed schedule…

  • ITGuy

    Not a bad showing by the good guys but I wouldn’t want to go without any of the big 3 for much longer.

    Go Spurs Go!!

  • Daniel T

    Since Portland won, they still have a shot at moving up a seed or two themselves. Their game vs. the Lakers on the 8th will likely still be meaningful for them rather than simply a game where they might want to give some rest to their starters. Likewise, with Portland still breathing down their neck Denver can’t afford to relax against the Lakers when they play them on Sunday. Dallas pretty much needs to beat the Lakers on Thursday to stay in contention for the 2nd seed. By the time OKC plays the Lakers, the game might not have much effect on OKC’s place in the standings and so their effort may be dependent upon wanting to retain confidence for the playoffs. The Lakers themselves have to go all out to win in each game to have a chance at passing the Spurs, but they have 3 back-to-backs and no more than one day’s rest between any games. It would seem likely to me that they are bound to lose at least to one opponent other than the Spurs. If so they wind up with 61 wins if they beat the Spurs, 60 if they lose to the Spurs.

    The Spurs are currently at 57 wins, so if they just beat the Lakers they’d have 58 wins. If they did beat the Lakers, they would have the tie-breaker if they both finish with 60 wins, so they would need to win only 2 more of their other 7 games. It seems to me that there are not more than 3 games for the Spurs (Boston, Houston and Lakers) where the game has much meaning in the standing for the Spurs’ opponents by the time they play. With 6 games to play prior to the Lakers, the Spurs could make that game meaningless for them (Lakers might still be battling to avoid losing the 2 seed to Dallas) by winning 4 or 5 of them. If they win all 6 they’d have 63 wins before the game and the best the Lakers can finish is 62 wins.

    The Spurs “injured” players all looked to be walking about comfortably enough and likely all could play if need be. I think if they were to all skip the Boston game on Thursday they will begin to get rusty and out of game condition, so I hope to see them all play in at least a tune-up game. Seems to be still much more of a must win for Boston than the Spurs, but it would be a very good win for the Spurs to pull off.

  • doggydogworld

    I was at the game. Neal’s problem was not minutes and not shot selection (he took some bad shots, but that’s hardly unprecedented). His problem was the intensity and level of effort. He basically played the final 19 minutes, when the defense was really scrambling. On offense he was often the centerpiece, and had to work very hard just to try and get open. Bottom line, he had to step outside his normal role and did not handle it very well. Instead of the ice-cold, calculating role player we’ve come to know he became too emotional. He got visibly frustrated every time the slightest thing went wrong. This negative emotion snowballed and he missed his final 7 shots.

    It’s one thing to make shots after standing at the 3 point line, waiting to Tony or Manu to suck in the defense. Quite another to do so when you’ve been racing frantically all over both ends of the court, getting pushed and shoved and elbowed, your heart is racing and you feel the burden of carrying the entire team on your shoulders. That’s what makes Manu and Tony special. As Gary himself said recently, he’s not Manu. Fortunately we don’t need him to be.

  • http://www.bpifanconnect.com Alix Babaie

    The problem with this game was best illustrated by Sean Elliott. The 3 pointers were not falling but the guys were able to get penetration against the Blazers interior defense.

    The Spurs kept chucking them up and the Blazers made them pay at the other end.

    My hope is that we see Splitter, Duncan, RJ, Ginobili and TP as the starting 5 and commit to playing solid Spurs defense for 48 minutes.

    I am sure Pop is going to play everyone on Thursday to get that game against Boston and the Spurs will retain HCA throughout.

    Chicago, LA and Dallas will all have some hiccups on the way to the end of the season.

    The Spurs simply need to win a couple more games and you will see the others concede once they see the Spurs hit 60 wins.

  • http://www.bpifanconnect.com Alix Babaie

    For everyone who is in panic mode, read this article, take a valium and chill the fuck out.

    The Spurs will be fine.

    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/03/28/buck-harvey-instead-of-the-panic-button-popovich-hits-refresh/

  • AS

    Just a remark: Tiago needs to regain his confidence just because Pop took it out by not playing him.

  • agutierrez

    Positives: 1. Hill’s offense and leadership; 2. Tiago’s offense AND defense; 3. Danny Green’s defense; 4. Chris Quinn’s offense and steadiness (he should have played more). 5. Open threes: even though we didn’t hit many, we had multiple wide open shots.
    6. Pop got extra rest for the big 4 and psychologically told the team (and fans), “don’t panic, we’ve got this thing under control.” That was important.
    Negatives: 1. RJ sucks. Other than rebounding, he’s simply awful; 2. Blair has shown no improvement over the last 2 years; 3. Hill’s defense. 5. Bonner, deja vu all over again

  • SA_Ray

    I was at this game and this is what I took away
    (1) The refs were terrible in this game. They could make a video from only this game on how NOT to call charge/blocking fouls.
    (2) RJ is MIA and I don’t think he is coming back at this point. His numbers have steadily declined all season, especially shots per game. He is just eating minutes out there on offense and playing OK defense at best. Where is his agression, where is his passion?
    (3) Normally I am a ‘In Pop We Trust’ guy but I think he lost the Spurs that game in the last 6 minutes when he pulled Green/Blair/Novac/Quinn to put in Splitter/Bonner/RJ/Neal. The young guys had a quick hands on defense and were chasing down rebounds and loose balls and built the lead that the other guys let slip away.
    I know 99/100 that’s the right move but this time those ‘scrub’ players were ballin. He should have let them finish the game.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I’m not in panic mode. I like what I saw last night from the young guns. Bring on the playoffs where ever it may be!

  • Nima K.

    Hah. Pop rested the starters like I suggested. Maybe the FO does read this message board after all :-)

    I’m happy to see Splitter getting comfortable in his game. As expected.

    I wish Hill would be more consistent like last night. (offensively)

    And JA needs improvement. He can do better.

    I have courtside tickets for Thursday’s game. See u then!!

  • Titletown99030507d

    @SA_Ray,

    You exactly wrong. The lead was 8-9 points at early in the 4th quarter. After they made that nice run in the 3rd with Tiago and the shooters. Tiago kept them with a 3-4 point lead until the late in the third when they exploded then Tiago went out in the last 2 minutes of the 3rd. We didn’t see him until 5 minutes left in the game by then Blair, Bonner and whoever was on the court let the lead slip away.
    The game totally changed and everybody started to do what they did in the last 3 games shoot from the arc when they really didn’t need to. All they had to do is slow the game down with inside presence which they had in Tiago. Face it this guy will be beneficial when boys shots stop falling.

  • Bob

    Splitter has been outperforming Blair with Duncan out. His numbers are 9.2 and 8.4 in 23 min and he’s shown the ability to limit the opposing big. Blair has been 6.8 and 5.3 in 22. His numbers for the season 8.4 and 7. I think Splitter could be even more effective with Duncan with another big to draw attention. He could probably average 12 and 10 in a few more minutes which are Tim Duncan numbers this season (13 and 9).

  • jwalt

    Three thoughts. First, I hope we can put to rest the concept that RJ’s limited offense is due to the team “not calling enough plays” for him. What nonsense. RJ is limitied because he is both bad and passive (which is better than being bad and aggressive). He’s a good 5th player to have on the court but he simply cannot create offensively.

    Second, Blair is a mess and Splitter is coming on like gangbusters. If Splitter goes back to the bench when Timmy returns I’m going to scream. Blair continues his downward spiral.

    Third, it’s a good thing Neal is a great shooter because basically that’s all he can do. He might lead the league in block calls. Give him an ‘A’ for effort but he’s ALWAYS late trying to take charges. And he has blinders on offensively, doesn’t see anything but the rim. But he is a great shooter, and there is always room for that.

  • Hobson13

    I believe that the last 4 games could actually do the Spurs some good PROVIDED we secure #1 seed. Many of the Spurs role players have stepped up against good competition. Hill seems to have rediscovered his ability to be a formidable weapon by scoring 30 and 27 in the last two games. Neal had a monster game against Denver and played well in two others. However, the re-emergance of Splitter has me wondering what our potential might be if he were played alongside Tim in the Playoffs.

    In the first two games against Portland, Splitter played 6 total minutes. Here were Aldridges combined numbers for those games:
    24/37 from the floor or 65%, 18 rebs, and 3assts in 82 minutes.

    The last two games against Portland, Splitter played a total of 51 minutes, most of which guarding Alderidge. Here were Aldridges numbers:
    9/22 or 41%, 11rebs, and 2 assts in 80 minutes.

    IMO, Splitter has the potential to be a defensive monster against the Alderidge type 4′s of the NBA. I sure hope Pop learns his lesson and starts Tiago with Dyess being the first big to come off the bench. That 3 man big rotation could be real nice in the playoffs.

    SA_Ray
    March 29th, 2011 at 7:34
    ” RJ is MIA and I don’t think he is coming back at this point. His numbers have steadily declined all season, especially shots per game. He is just eating minutes out there on offense and playing OK defense at best. Where is his agression, where is his passion?”

    RJ was the only regular starter to play last night and he mustered up 5 FGA and missed half his FTs. That tells me everything I need to know with regards to what we can expect from RJ going forward.

  • DieHardSpur

    To whom it may concern:

    In March, Steve Novak has hit 17 of 28 from deep, and 22 of 39 over all, I would say he is extremely efficient in our system.

  • betsyduncan

    @Bruno: “One thing i can’t understand is WHY Chip changed Splitter shooting style, the guy shot 79% FTs with old style…”
    Wrong! Chip hasn’t touched Tiago’s shot (yet!). Tiago has work to do this summer, for sure!

  • DNITCH

    So how concerned should we be with all these injuries? Are our guys going to be able to be healthy enough to play soon? Im hoping Tiago gets to play for the playoffs, him and Duncan on defense could definitely stop a frontcourt like the Grizz.

  • DieHardSpur

    Sorry - wasn’t done praising Novak…

    That is 61 points on 39 attempts in limited minutes, good for best on the team.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com BHarvey

    Jefferson just is looking more out of sync with each passing day - as a true veteran for end of season playoff runs - where is he?

  • betsyduncan

    @DieHard: I just wish that the boy could defend!
    But I like him, too!

  • ty

    Its like no one wants to talk about how bad RJ is. why did we re-sign him. we were clear of all that money and instead just knocked off a couple mill per year and extended him. this move has to rival the rasho nasteravich move as the worst in spurs history Imagine if we had that cap space for someone that would contribute or at least been able to sign FA like Corey Brewer

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Len

    I’m starting to wonder if Jefferson’s contract is worse than Malik Rose’s old contract.

  • manufan

    @ agutierrez

    Positives: 1. Hill’s offense and leadership; 2. Tiago’s offense AND defense; 3. Danny Green’s defense; 4. Chris Quinn’s offense and steadiness (he should have played more). 5. Open threes: even though we didn’t hit many, we had multiple wide open shots.
    6. Pop got extra rest for the big 4 and psychologically told the team (and fans), “don’t panic, we’ve got this thing under control.” That was important.
    Negatives: 1. RJ sucks. Other than rebounding, he’s simply awful; 2. Blair has shown no improvement over the last 2 years; 3. Hill’s defense. 5. Bonner, deja vu all over again

    Amen.

  • DieHardSpur

    @betsyduncan
    I am with you there, but regardless, he doesn’t give up 61 points on 39 attempts. No matter what, the Spurs net positive numbers as long as we use him INSIDE his role and capacity(situational shooter).

  • SA_Ray

    @Titletown99030507d
    I was not ‘exactly wrong’ though my time was a little off. The Spurs made the run with Tiago on the bench. It was a mix of Hill, Blair, Novac, Green, Neal and Quinn. They went from being down 63-62 in the 3rd to being up 80-72 when Pop decides to put Bonner back in the game with 7.39 left in 4th.
    From there the lead dwindles as Blair, Green and Novac are sitting while Splitter, Bonner and RJ let the lead slip away and then fall behind.
    I totally agree that they should have pounded it inside a little with Splitter and they took entirely too many unneeded threes down the stretch (especially Neal). But I think Pop should have let the guys who built the small lead we had, defend it down the stretch.

  • Bruno

    @betsyduncan
    “Wrong! Chip hasn’t touched Tiago’s shot (yet!). Tiago has work to do this summer, for sure!”

    Chip changed Splitter shot, he sayed that in twitter, and he is shooting different

  • mikrobass3

    i’m not sure about everyone wanting to see splitter and duncan on the court together. don’t they each basically play the 5 spot? seems like our offense would be clogged in the lane…

  • Flavor

    So whats the status of Duncan’s injury. I havn’t read anything official… Its like its top secret or somethin…

  • td4life

    Raise your hand if you honestly think the Spurs’ shooters are gonna net them 16 postseason wins? Gimme a break.

  • manufan

    @Flavor
    Pop is former air force intelligence officer.

  • TD = Best EVER

    RJ’s issues are more system related than anything else….. Just like it took us looking for Splitter on the roll and giving him a few post ups for him to find his game……. RJ needs to be the number 1 or 2 option and needs to be in a free flowing and running system….. As long as he is asked to sit in the corner and wait for the ball to come to him he will never shoot more that 5-6 times a game and will continue to look horrible. SPURS need to trade him ASAP to ensure we can get something for him and that we don’t completely torpedo the man’s legacy in this league…… Went from borderline ALL-STAR to 8th man off the bench in a year…….. LOL

  • Titletown99030507d

    @SA_Ray,

    Every time Splitter left the game they were not loosing. (During quarter 1 -3) Check the DVR.
    Yes the group your talking about expanded the lead but it dwindled down to almost nothing by the time Splitter came in at the 5 -6 minute mark. Really its not about rewarding players, its about strategy. They should have gone with the group Splitter had when they got to the point they were up 9-10 points early in the fourth to get the game back to slowing it down eating clock and defending the lane and rim. Yeah they expanded the lead but went away from ball control instead they started clanking shots of the rim and off the arc. Bonner wasn’t making any of those hardly to keep the lead. You start getting in a shooting match with an other team your only asking for trouble especially if there’s no defense in the lane and also on the perimeter. It was deja vu all over again in what they did down the stretch. But I have give them kudos though for playing hard and desperately wanting that win. Defense wins games plain and simple. If your fortunate to get a lead on someone than you have to make defense a priority. You just can’t piss it all away.

  • Titletown99030507d

    @mikrobass3,

    Isn’t Timmy the greatest PF (4) of all time? If he is then shouldn’t he be on the court with a 5?
    If not then change his position to a 5 on the frikin roster. Isn’t that what he is since Blair (a 5 on the roster) spent most of all this season trotting out on the floor with Timmy a 4? Then make him a 5 and Blair a 4 on the roster. Who gives a crap what they are? They’re better off having 2 big dudes clogging the defensive lane than one guy playing his ass off trying to give help to the smaller one. And as for offense they both score inside and get rebounds. Remember the two 7 footers we used to have. Hello? That worked out pretty good. Don’t worry about Tony trying to go into lane with 2 7 footers I think they know when to get out of the way.

  • Bruno

    @Titletown99030507d

    Both(Splitter/Duncan) can play PF/C. Hope Pop put them together against Boston(Shaq/KG)

  • Titletown99030507d

    @Bob,
    +1000
    I agree and an excellent point. Can you imagine both Timmy and Splitter getting double doubles on a nightly basis Splitter with 12/9 and Timmy with 13/9. I’d take that any day. You would have control of the game and wouldn’t have to focus in getting desperation shots from the arc only to take good shots when they are presented making it easier for our shooters. They can still move the ball around fast the only difference they would be dominating the front court if they both were in there together.

  • TD = Best EVER

    I would have to agree with all saying Splitter should START next to TD……. And I have to also admit that I’m not a huge Splitter fan, and in fact I was and may still want to trade him if it doesn’t work out……We seem to have a lot of similar players on our roster and I’m in favor of dumping all the high salaries for lower 1′s if possible…… But back to Splitter……if he can play like this come playoff time I think we MAY have enough size to match the OKC’s/LA’s….. And I think playing him as a starter really helps his confidence as oppose to playing off the bench. He would have to stay out of foul trouble which hopefully he can and we might get back to playing some Great Defense again…….

  • Titletown99030507d

    @Bruno,

    “Both(Splitter/Duncan) can play PF/C. Hope Pop put them together against Boston(Shaq/KG)”

    Yes I hope so too. That really needs to happen now that Splitter has shown what he’s about. The more time Splitter is on the court during a game the better he plays. I would ride him till he fouls out like Sean says. But really I don’t know why people are complaining about the fouls he hasn’t fouled out yet.

  • Titletown99030507d

    @TD,

    +1000

    “And I think playing him (Tiago) as a starter really helps his confidence as oppose to playing off the bench. He would have to stay out of foul trouble which hopefully he can and we might get back to playing some Great Defense again…….”

    So true.

  • jwalt

    td best ever — you are completely correct regarding Splitter. It also took me a long time to come around, but he absolutely needs to play.

    But you are wrong regarding RJ, his problems are not system related, they are RJ related. His role is no different than Neal’s, for instance, but Neal is aggressive within his role while RJ is passive. And everytime RJ dribbles I cringe, he’s a TO waiting to happen. Getting to a good team can expose a player for what he is, RJ could score for losing teams but not for a winning team. But I like him on the floor, he’s a good 5th option to have. But he is NOT being hurt by the system, he is being exposed by it.

  • etomai

    #1 seed currently looking at MEM then OKC
    #2 seed currently looking at NO then DAL

    If that held up, I’d take the matchups over HCA in the West finals. Better of course if NO drops to 8 and we keep 1. But all that is another good reason not to make too much of HCA.

  • Colin

    Diehardspur

    “That is 61 points on 39 attempts in limited minutes, good for best on the team”

    Take away those points against the Warriors, Bobcats, and Wizards and what have we got?

    Not a very telling stat. He will be lucky to have a roster spot with the Spurs next year.

  • betsyduncan

    @Bruno: Tiago will be a liability at the end of games if he doesn’t work on those freethrows! Just saying…

  • MichaelC

    I am proud of the Spurs normal bench warmers giving it their all and playing hard. They showed the great pride of the Spurs organization and didn’t roll over and quit. Did anyone else notice that coach Pop was standing up and walking the bench much more than usual last night? He was just as critical and engaged with our bench players as with the starters… damn good coach. Even though we lost a hard fought battle and number four in a row, I think the team got over its funk last night and things will be great moving forward. I will never question Tims, TPs, Manus, or Dyess’s competitiveness, so I was glad to see them kidding around and enjoying the game for a change since of late everyone seems concerned. Lets keep everything in perspective people, we are still number one in NBA, our health is most important if we want a deep run in playoffs, we certainly are not tanking games down the stretch and this season has been the most fun in quite some time agreed? I’m proud to say that no matter what happens in this years playoffs my SPURS will play their ass off and we will be competitive next season. I want the SPURS to kick Phil Jackson and Lakers off their high chair in the Western Conf. finals. en route to our most deserving 5th championship. At this point in the season, no need to panic, no need to drastically change lineups, guys need to step up when their name is called and we need to come even closer together as a team. Our special run all season is not a fluke, we know what we have to do this as a TEAM and Pop will lead us there.

  • mikrobass3

    @ Titletown99030507d

    i’m certainly willing to give the tiago/timmy tandem a try. i’m just wondering who would cover the stretch 4s, a.k.a. dirk et. al. as for timmy being the g.o.a.t. at the 4, sure! but basically he’s a center at this point in his career.

    good point about playing two 5s with blair and timmy…worked well early but did give us some matchup problems. is tiago a better defender than blair? it’s starting to look that way.

    i do remember those two 7 footers…good times! of course back then timmy was much more mobile and playing further from the basket.

    we’ll see if they know how to get out of the way of tony, manu and/or george when the time comes…lol! or how about this: double high post pick and roll?

    thanks for sharing your thoughts.

  • Bruno

    @betsyduncan I agree, but last 4 games Spurs didn’t score 4th, so if he can get Fts and make half, is a good deal. And his defense pay low FT percentage.

    Nobody talk about Bonner liability in defense and Offense at the end of games…Bonner should never play in 4th

  • Dr. Leonard McCoy

    OH YEAAA! Just what the doctor ordered! I’m not talking about the loss yesterday, but the way our 2nd & third units played yesterday! Too bad they couldn’t finish it out. I’m still disapointed how Pop subs ballers, especially at crunch time. I agree with many of y’all that we should have slowed the pace down with going to T-Splitt. We had a marginal lead & once the clanking started & our defense began to lapse, then I saw a repeat of the last few road games to rear its ugly head! I know that we have been missing TD-21, who makes a HUGE difference in the paint with his defense & offense, as well as his IQ & just overall presence on the court. Watching T-Splitt these last few games has REALLY impressed me! Just imagine if he were playing consistantly since the beginging of the season. WOW! Any who, like many of y’all, I’m starting to fear the worst for Tiago as far as his playing time is concerned. 1: It would be nice for him to start, or if not, come off the bench for Tim so we can continue to have that BIG presence in the paint. 2: It seems that this is Pop’s idea of not putting him back in crunch time, for what ever reason he may percieve to have (lack of exprience, trust, fatigue, it’s a secret? WHO KNOWS WITH POP!), although he did it yesterday. HUH?! Should we read too much into that? I don’t know about you all, but I’m not holding my breath, but to me, it seems that Pop likes to go back to the players that he is confident or comfortable with??? I DON’T KNOW! I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I do know that Thursday night, both O’Neals might be in tha house, so that means that our bigs may have their hands full! It would be nice to have Timmy back & see Tiago log in at least 20 to 25 minutes, either starting or subbing (I believe Dyess will continue to start). I know that poor ol Bonner does his best at trying to defend other bigs, but we must understand that he’s really just a two-guard in a big man’s body, which can be quite cumbersome to him. And RJ. Well, this guy is ONLY doing what he is told to do, nothing more; nothing less it seems. And what is that? to stand in the wing or corner & hit the 3-ball. He doesn’t seem to have the IQ to be a creator, nor does he have the PG to feed him the ball like he was used to, perhaps. Maybe he has this mindset that since he has a diminished role here, he doen’t have to produce much other than what he’s called to do, but the bottom line here on RJ & Coach B is that I’m getting more & more disapointed in both of these veteran players, & it would be nice if they can begin to step it up NOW! Unfortuatly, you can’t be like a light switch, & just like that & BAM! You’re hitting on all 8 cylinders(ARRRG!). NO! It just doesn’t work like that! Any ways, GO SPURS GO! DECLOVER THE CELTICS!

  • TD = Best EVER

    jwalt
    March 29th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    IN regards to RJ….. He and Neal are 2 totally different players……. Neal is a Pure shooter…… so he fits in well with our system….. Bonner, Novak, Finley, Kerr, I could go on….. they all could use pump fakes and dribble one or 2 times and get to the rim because the defenders respected their Jumper so much…….. Not so much with RJ….. yes he isn’t a great ball handler…… But in a Phoenix Suns/Golden State/Denver Nuggets system you don’t have to be…… just be athletic and able to finish at the rim…… but like all things if you don’t practice them over time you loose them….. For example RJ was a better finisher last year than this year at the rim….. he cut to the basket last year more so than this year…….This system asks him to be someone that he simply isn’t comfortable being…… and that’s a bystander/shooter. The Spurs should find a team that’s willing to take a chance on him and I’m sure there will be someone…… We won’t get much back but I think it would work out best for SA and RJ……

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  • Titletown99030507d

    @td4life,

    “Raise your hand if you honestly think the Spurs’ shooters are gonna net them 16 postseason wins? Gimme a break.”

    My hands are glued to my sides on that one. Good observation td4life. People think they can shoot themselves to a finals trophy. Even harder to do in the playoffs let alone the finals where they will be playing amongst better perimeter defenses.

  • Titletown99030507d

    @mikrobass3,

    “or how about this: double high post pick and roll?”

    Wow! Now that’s a thought. On one end you have the passer that has clear view of the recipient because of his height and on the other end you the recipient that could give match up problems going to the rim. Me like!

  • Titletown99030507d

    @Dr. Leonard McCoy,

    “I don’t know about you all, but I’m not holding my breath, but to me, it seems that Pop likes to go back to the players that he is confident or comfortable with??? I DON’T KNOW! I can’t quite put my finger on it, but I do know that Thursday night, both O’Neals might be in tha house, so that means that our bigs may have their hands full!…”

    I was wondering when the Starship Enterprise was going to roll in? I can put a finger on it McCoy. The deal is Pop hates to make adjustments late in the season but if you see him on the sidelines he’s keeping a good eye on how Splitter moves and makes his adjustments. Pop really wants Splitter to help him change his mind, but it’s going to take him lots of convincing to make Splitter the go to guy at one of the 2 big spots. He’s already convinced me and many others. But like I said it takes Pop longer to make an assessment. I guess his ducks are frikin straight all the time. Comon Pop pull the trigger.

  • Bob

    I think it’s possible for RJ to get back on track. I think he’s sort of like George Hill. He needs to be told that to be aggressive. Even if he doesn’t make the shot he can draw fouls.
    I also think the Spurs need to get back to how they were playing at the start of the season. They were pushing the break on makes and misses. Now it seems only Parker gets down the floor. He needs Ginobili and Jefferson to flank him. It will allow Jefferson to do what he does best, getting easy baskets in the open court. Probably due the long season they started running less. But it can help them get easy points in the playoffs. They miss Duncan’s ability to make those outlet passes of rebounds.

  • td4life

    Regarding Tiago Splitter…
    Now, everybody is saying start the guy? Now? Some of us were saying that months ago. It’s nice that Blair got a chance, but he simply isn’t gonna be able to be the critical difference against the best playoff competition, and he hasn’t proved himself a dominant rebounder… all that was very predictable. Tiago’s positional defense and PnR offense has been there all along, and largely ignored and undervalued. He deserved developmental minutes. Added to TD and Dice, and you have a competitive frontcourt. Well see what happens, but it sure is LATE in the season!

    Meanwhile, a loss to Boston and a loss to LA leaves the Spurs 6 games to protect a 2 game cushion… as if HCA really matters all that much.

  • Hobson13

    mikrobass3
    March 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm @ Titletown99030507d

    “i’m certainly willing to give the tiago/timmy tandem a try. i’m just wondering who would cover the stretch 4s, a.k.a. dirk et. al. as for timmy being the g.o.a.t. at the 4, sure! but basically he’s a center at this point in his career.”

    Splitter seems to cover Lamarcus Aldridge pretty well so I see no reason he can’t match up with most stretch 4′s. I would love to see a Splitter/Dirk matchup. We would finally have someone of equal size to give Dirk some trouble.

    Bottom line: Splitter needs to at least be the first big off the bench come playoff time. Defensively, Splitter can give the Spurs more size AND he seems to play well against stretch 4s (he also had a good game against Lamar Oden in the summer games). On the offensive end, I see no problem with him playing with Tim OR Dyess. Tim can work the high post since he can make 18ft jumpers and let Splitter take the low post. This will also reduce some of the wear and tear Duncan might sustain while playing down low.

    Blair and Bonner can be subbed in based upon who has the matchup advantages and whether we need rebounding/energy plays or a stretch 4 to spread the court. IMO, both are equally bad on the defensive end. Blair because people seem to just shoot over him and Bonner because he is a zero in the athletic department.

  • J2

    Maybe it was a coincidence, but the Blazers went on their run when McMillan changed the defensive assignment and had Batum guard Hill. he was able to keep Hill out of the paint, and the other Blazer players were then able to play tighter on the perimeter. This change meant a bit of a mismatch with Matthews at 6’5″ guarding Jefferson at 6’9″, but the Spurs and RJ in particular were not able to capitalize and take advantage of what the defense gave them. They needed to run isolations where RJ posts up Matthews to take advantage of it.

  • Colin

    TD=BE

    “Neal is a Pure shooter…… so he fits in well with our system….. Bonner, Novak, Finley, Kerr”

    Neal is much, much better than those guys. I agree with your analysis of why Neal/Bonner/Novak fit in so well (I am very glad they do), I only disagree with the guys you compared him to except Mike Finley. Finley is the only one beside Neal (and only in his “younger” years) who could get to, and finish, at the rim……and Finley was better at that in his prime than Neal is now.

    Neal has a much better handle than the aforementioned players with regard to one on one offensive skills. Neal can get his own shot with better ease, and faster than Bonner, Novak, and Steve Kerr. No one is really scared of Bonner and Novak putting the ball on the floor. In fact, that is what teams WANT them to do……teams run at Neal differently on the perimeter. Teams can’t chase him off the line the same way they do with Bonner and Novak. They HAVE to be wary of his dribble drive because he is almost equally as good at that given 1-2 dribbles.

    I wouldn’t necessarily label Neal as a “pure shooter” either. I think he is more of a pure scorer in the sense that his handles are very crafty. He also doesn’t need to have to have his feet set the same way Bonner, Novak, and Kerr did to get a good shot. He has great range that also translates into an excellent mid-range game off the 1-2 dribble from 10-15 ft out.

    He’s a great complement to the current roster as long as he isn’t asked to do too much, as was the case in the home game against Portland.

  • MSteele

    Pros for Tiago:
    7 footer - Quality team defender - Good finisher around the rim - Good PnR player - Good passer - Will clog the lane on defense - Good rebounder
    Cons for Tiago:
    FT shooting - Picks up cheap fouls - Defends with his hands by his sides (Players like Dirk & Gasol & D West will shoot uncontested) - Will clog the lane on offense
    Pros for Dice:
    Spreads the floor on offense - Good 1-on-1 defender - Has experience/corporate knowledge - Awesome offensive & defensive rebounder
    Cons for Dice:
    Limited minutes due to age - Size is an issue

    There are a lot of positives there from Splitt but I think Dice gives you more and I honestly think we stand our best chance of winning a title if Dice starts. I 100% agree that Splitt should be ahead in the rotation of the rest of the “bigs”. Hopefully Tiago’s play in the last couple of games has convinced Pop he deserves some serious playoff minutes.

    I would love a playoff rotation of:
    Tim - 33/36 mins
    Dice - 20/25 mins
    Tiago - 20/25 mins
    Blair/Bonner - 10/15 mins

  • MSteele

    People who are harping on about RJ - I agree that he’s cooled off a bit, on offense, since the start of the season but everyone on the team has with the exception of Neal and Tony. So cut him some slack he’s giving you solid defense every night, he’s a good rebounder, he shoots 43% from 3 and 51.5% on 2s. He’s reinvented himself as a player to fit in with this team and quite frankly I don’t think there is small forward who would be willing to come to SA and play better in the same role he does (4th & sometimes 5th option).
    People who put forward the idea of Brewer - I watched him the other day against GS and he had 4 fouls in 11 mins,he made about 3 bone head plays in the same time and he doesn’t shoot well from 3. Based on that and all the other games I’ve seen him play in, I see nothing in him that would fit with the Spurs.

  • Bruno

    @MSteele

    RJ will receive 14,2 mil next season, Brewer 1.5 mil

  • betsyduncan

    @MSteele: Gotta agree with all of the above. I like ALL of our players, and for sure I think that Pop has all of the ‘cards’ he needs to run the table in the playoffs. And I think that he’ll play all of them right, to boot. And if we’re not good enough to hold onto HCA, well then we’re not…I think that we can, so I’ll on keep believing.

  • Nima K.

    I agree with the aforementioned:

    Splitter FT was pretty good when he came in. It was at a narrow angle, but it worked. I remember ppl on this very board commenting his FT% as his best asset, at the time.

    Now it’s the reverse, as if they’ve been trying to force Splitter to change his throwing style, and mold him the way they want. And it ain’t working.

    So yeah, I’d say they messed up his FT.

  • grego

    Tiago should play, but he shouldn’t start alongside Duncan. He should be the player coming in for Duncan and Bonner should come in for Dyess.

    That way you always have a big and a shooter who will spread the defense. Splitter also gives another good look and with Bonner spacing the floor, it gives him the space to work (and get rebounds).

    Pop was likely going to play him a lot of minutes even if Duncan stayed healthy. If you think about it, they wouldn’t be dropping 4 straight if Duncan was healthy. That probably means he gives them a night off because they won a few of those games and/or Tiago starts to play to shave minutes off for TD/Dyess anyway.

    As far as Tiago’s free throw shooting goes, Chip is working with him, but you have to break his bad shooting habits before you can fully re-build them. This is what happened with Parker too. His shooting became worse than it was, in his first year. His range became more limited and that’s why he stopped taking 3′s. Now that his re-built shot is done, he has figured out to get the power for his 3s. Chip needs the summer to really get it into high gear, though.

  • grego

    Blair, Parker and Hill are good examples of what working with Chip and staff can do for you. They’ve all seen nice increases in their free throw shooting.

  • Nima K.

    That report about Gustavo Ayos was intriguing. Hope he doesn’t end up going to another team.

    And then you have Ryan, DeColo, Butler, Green,…

    And Tiago and JA will get better and better.

    So they’re already thinking of transitioning into a new era.

  • Easy b

    Alright, time to talk playoffs. Do we have the defensive capabilities to shut down the best opponents when our running game is shut down and defenders are staying home on the perimeter as much as possible?
    Yes: if we play 10 deep
    No: if we flog our starters 40 min per game

    why did Boston come within minutes of winning it all last year?
    They had confidence in the production of their bench even in 4th quarters.
    We need to play 5 bigs in the playoffs- min 10 mins each.
    I think we should keep Timmy to 35-37 per game and Manu as well
    balance is our number 1 weapon
    Blair shouldn’t start, but should be in after 4-5 mins- his energy and bulk is underated right now
    splitter should play big minutes in the 3rd to maintain the energy and let Tim play 10 in the 4th
    we need to have the courage to play all bigs in the 4th and keep the opposition guessing

  • Easy b

    Re: balance is our number 1 weapon - I did mean that, though it could easily be argued that depth is number 1. Balance means we can play multiple styles effectively. If we can play big, big + 3pt, big + guard stretch 4, big + rotationally efficient, big + offensive rebounding, big + pnr defense etc… We have a shot at winning the endurance battle that is a 7 ge series. I am not at all worried about our guard rotation - it is the best in the league in overall production and depth, and contains closers, 3pt marksmen, jumpshooters, slashers and finishers. And they all shoot free throws well, and all play d

  • Bob

    @Easy b
    You bring up some interesting points. It’s easier to trust your bench in the regular season when there’s less pressure. But in the pressure cooker of the playoffs it’s harder. It’s probably due to bench players not always performing as well in the playoffs and coaches just going with known stars. No one is going to blame a coach if he’s plays his stars major minutes and loses. The dilemma is if you have a good bench how do give them confidence to do well and avoid the tendency to distrust them.

    Boston trusted their bench successfully right up to game 7. However, in game 7 Doc Rivers wavered and stuck with his stars. It backfired when they didn’t have enough gas to close the game out.

  • Easy b

    @bob
    they did run out of gas. I also felt that they made similar mistakes that the spurs make closing games: they play too much to the predictable strengths that teams PLAN to defend. We have a TEAM that if we stay true to, can win in multiple ways. No team playing 5 guys 40 mins will beat 9 guys playing 20 if those 9 are plugged in and effective from the get-go.

  • Easy b

    @bob
    they did run out of gas. I felt they should have played 2 man ball with kg and pp, with Ray on the wing ready to hit a three. They weren’t coherent enough offensively down the stretch.

    Spurs need to have Neal and hill on the 3 pt line, ready to drive, with td and Manu playing 2 man with Tony ready for a perimeter “shift” in order to give him a late one on one option.

  • TheRealKman

    Bruno,
    Your numbers are way off. Jefferson will make 9.2mil next year not 14mil. If he made 14 million as you suggest that would make him the second highest paid player on the team, ahead of Manu and Parker.

  • betsyduncan

    I believe that I heard Sean commenting on Tiago’s FT’ing style during a recent game, saying that Tiago had “two motions” (knees bent and another movement) that he needed to get rid of. Chip has been a valuable asset to our coaching staff, and I sure hope that he can help Tiago become a better shooter!

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Bry

    @ Bruno
    Umm, no. Brewer will get 3.059 million next season and 3.243 the next. The Spurs couldn’t pay that much. They were only in the conversation because they shaved a couple mill off Jefferson’s contract for this season. Jefferson made 8.4 million this season and will make 9.282 next year. Where did you get the 14.2 million and 1.5 million numbers that you’re quoting?

  • Tim in Surrey

    @Bruno - You’re using last year’s salaries. Jefferson resigned for much less and after Corey Brewer was released by the Knicks he signed for a much larger salary.

    Those of you who are dissing Jefferson, please remember that if we hadn’t re-signed him, we would’ve received nothing for him, still been over the cap, and had virtually none of our mid-level exception left. So it was basically RJ or a minimum-salary player. I’ll take RJ, thank you.

  • Bruno

    @Bry I see this salaries in trade machine

  • Bruno

    You are right @Tim in Surrey last season he receive 14,2 mil. This season 8,4, but he needs play better.

  • Titletown99030507d

    RJ in this system is not in his element. He is still a hell of an athlete. I think they should run plays for him maybe some type of give n go scenario. I thought about not going in deep in the paint for rebounds but to stay back some off the key and there down the floor on transition with the guard but that would only give him less rebounds. Something to get him involved because he is still capable of scoring big its just how? Just my thoughts.

  • td4life

    Tim in Surrey-

    If the Spurs hadn’t offered RJ the restructured deal, he wouldn’t have opted out and left the Spurs with a valuable expiring contract as a trade chip. Nobody thought he would make more money by opting out, but obviously Holt and RC had a negotiation in place prior.

    If the Spurs had made some trades in might have resulted in fewer regular season wins, but I think it could have been a much better move than keeping RJ and Bonner (and even Blair) in the fold… but what’s done is done.

  • grego

    Even though RJ would have been an expiring contract this year does not guarantee that the Spurs would receive anything out of it.

    It also changes the way the team makes their moves for this past season. His deal allows all the transactions that took place this past season to occur.

    The guy is still shooting the 3-ball, the shot he gets the most really well. His 2 pt shots are also effective. he makes the majority of shots he gets. the only thing he doesn’t get is a lot of attempts. part of it is system and part of it is him, but if you don’t get a lot of shot attempts over the season, it’s hard to establish a routine.

    He’s not good at making stuff happen/improving, but not many are off the dribble. This is why the ball is in Parker/Manu or Duncan’s hands (although much less) most of the time.

    The team calling his number on set plays can make his scoring capabilities better. His jump shot is much improved and if they ran him off screens ala Rip Hamiliton, they could get more out of him. that would give him space and also more opportunity to get to the basket if the defender doesn’t go around the screener.

    His rebounding and D will be useful in the post season. He’s a great piece when the starting 5 is in (Duncan/Dyess/Parker/Manu), since he’s likely to get the shot. He’s a better defender than Neal (although I love his heart and determination).

    RJ is also a pretty good help defender around the rim because he can get up and block/alter shots. A lot of what RJ does well isn’t seen in the stats. He wouldn’t get a lot of play time if he didn’t play well.

    Brewer still hasn’t proven much. He has a nice body for D (but still reaches a lot) and was great at Florida but his game is still inconsistent and bogged down by his lower bball IQ. If he were a Spur, the earliest you’d see a lot of progress would be next season after a summers worth of work.

    The season is not over yet, so lets see what we can get from all of the team in the post season. There are no guarantees. Anything can happen.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Bry

    Because traded salaries have to match, and you can usually pay your own resigned players more than other teams, Jefferson’s contract does have some potential. They could always trade him for some disgruntled 8 million/year player at some point. That’s what the Mavs and Lakers have been doing for years. That’s how they stay massively over the cap, and then resign their players. I don’t know what’s coming with the new CBA, but it better have a harder cap than this one. The team salary disparities are ridiculous.

  • Hobson13

    Titletown99030507d
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “Something to get him involved because he is still capable of scoring big its just how?”

    RJ has been an enigma for the better part of two years. I think he still has the physical and athletic abilities to be at least 80% of what he was in his prime. However, he has displayed that ability just enough to make one think he still has it, but not enough to make a big difference in the season. Some argue that it’s Pop’s system that limits RJ. Others argue that RJ is simply not aggressive enough and turns into a ghost for vast portions of the game.

    I think it’s a bit of both. I don’t think the current offensive system is conducive for him putting up good numbers, but I still think he should take the initiative to freelance a bit. Manu does. Besides, what would Pop really say if RJ was more aggressive and made good plays for the rest of the team? I don’t think he could say much if he were to help out Manu and Tony more.

    Bottom line: For whatever reason, I think we are stuck with this RJ for the next 3 years. He’s been a Spur for almost 2 years and this is what we have. I don’t see him ever averaging more than 12pts per game and occasionally teasing Spurs fans into thinking he could do more.

  • Bruno

    RJ need step up, Spurs just beat Dallas in 1st round last season because RJ played well in game 2. And now without Duncan and Ginobili, he needs help Spurs to beat the Celtics

  • Colin

    Betsyduncan

    “I believe that I heard Sean commenting on Tiago’s FT’ing style during a recent game, saying that Tiago had “two motions” (knees bent and another movement) that he needed to get rid of.”

    Interesting. I’ve heard Sean mention that too. and What I’ve noticed and what I took from Elliott’s comment is that he straightens his knees before the release of the ball. Hip/knee extension should be more simultaneous with the release of the ball from the fingertips.

  • betsyduncan

    Right, Colin. Kinda herky-jerky and not real smooth.

  • Spur4Life

    Any positive info on any of the injuries?
    Thanks fellas

  • TD = Best EVER

    @ Hobson13 and others regarding RJ

    “I think it’s a bit of both. I don’t think the current offensive system is conducive for him putting up good numbers, but I still think he should take the initiative to freelance a bit. Manu does. Besides, what would Pop really say if RJ was more aggressive and made good plays for the rest of the team? I don’t think he could say much if he were to help out Manu and Tony more.”

    The thing is RJ is not a play-maker…. he is a finisher…… he needs people to pass him the ball when he is cutting or while on the move to the rim…… he needs plays ran for him and he needs to be on an uptempo running style of team. SA does none of those things……. I know he has lost a step, but he should still be getting 15ppg, but simply can’t w/o the attempts. Think of Rip Hamilton in our system…… he would also struggle because we will not run all those screens for him……

    Most teams/coaches adjust their system to fit the players on their roster….. Think of Dallas, posting up Shawn Marion/Butler/Kidd when ever they have a favorable mismatch……POP doesn’t, he adjust the players to fit the system…..The Spurs never really make it easy on our role players anymore……. Not since we had Finley/Hoory have we really ran plays for the role players on a consistent basis……. and that’s why RJ is just a bad signing…….He doesn’t fit what POP wants/needs him to be…….

    That’s why I think we should have gotten Vince Carter when we had the chance…… we would have another quality options….He is more suited to handle the ball on pnr and shoot over the other teams players……..

  • doggydogworld

    @Titletown99030507d
    March 29th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Every time Splitter left the game they were not loosing. (During quarter 1 -3). Check the DVR.

    You really think you can just make crap up? This is the internet. It’s too easy to catch people in lies. Here are the times and scores when Splitter left the game:

    1st Q 5:50 12-9 Portland
    2nd Q 0:48 56-46 Portland
    3rd Q 4:26 63-62 Portland

    And of course the Spurs were also losing when Splitter left the court at 0:00 in the 4th quarter. The Spurs were -10 in Tiago’s final appearance.

  • DorieStreet

    @ TD=BestEVER

    RE: RJ & other acquired veterans

    +20 -I think there’s a misconception with FO/coaching staff in whom they acquire-are they picking them up because of what they were in their prime; or are they added because they have a skill/ability that can selectively be used for what the ‘Spurs System’ needs?
    If SA gets RJ when he was traded from the Nets to the Bucks-then it’s the explosive, take charge player that would have been the 3rd option in our offense—Spurs adjust to his strengths; but 2 the past 2 seasons seemed to prove it is the latter, that RJ whole game is not the priority here-and therefore the puzzlement/quandry in his 2nd year as a Spur exists on the eve of the playoffs.
    RJ’s contribution/production needs to be maximized-whether it’s a game-to-game, “steady eddie” groove, or a timely bust-out performance when needed at a crucial time in a series.

  • BigJ

    Noted a few dour comments in need of something to be hopeful about. Here’s an article doing just that http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/msn/03/29/11/Spurs-injury-woes-a-temporary-setback/landing_spurs.html?blockID=492741&feedID=3629

    GO SPURS GO!

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Bry

    RJ is fine. He’s overpaid, but there’s no changing that. He’s less overpaid now than what he was before and he’s filling his role. Considering how few shots he’s getting I’d like to see more lock-down defense from him. But, when you’re the fifth scoring option of the starting five, what’s needed is a high percentage of FGM, not higher FGAs. The Spurs still lack a real lock-down wing defender, but will have to wait until next season, or hope that Green fits the bill.
    It’s funny how everyone is panicking about the Spurs losing the top see when they are 3 and half games up with 8 to play. I’m really not that concerned. And for those of you who think the #2 seed is the easier route, I strongly disagree. Memphis will likely surpass NO for the 7 seed. NO is crashing with West out for the season, and will be an easy match-up for whomever gets them in the first round (losing an All-star starter will do that). 2nd round would be the victor of the battle between Denver and OKC. I definitely want the Lakers to play the Mavs for a draining series than avoid them and play some young unprepared team. The #2 seed likely gets Memphis first round (or Portland) then either Mavs or Lakers 2nd round. You want that route to the finals?

  • Bankshot21

    Lmao @ the call out. Let’s stop making things up when they can easily be discredited. You make all previous and future statements look shakey.

  • betsyduncan

    Nice link, BigJ!

  • rob

    I’m in agreement with Jwalt regarding RJ in that he is not aggressive enough. Whether that’s by plan or player could be questioned. I think it’s a combination of both.

    And… RJ is seemingly overpaid to be a fifth option. But he’s not overpaid to help provide insurance to winning games. And he helps win games in what others have pointed out in ways that don’t appear on a stat sheet.

    Tiago is logging valuable minutes and is getting better with each game. There is hope in the playoffs where once was a legitimate concern regarding the team’s bigs…now there can be some optimism that it won’t be as bad as once suspected.

    Gary Neal suffered a bad game. But what was that?…a bad game out of how many good games he’s provided. I think he’ll be fine. He appears to be a tough minded player as well as being better than one could have expected.

    I don’t know what happened with Hill but I hope it continues. He went from looking horrible to suddenly looking like a starter. Great sign and mental strength on his part to overcome the adversity in time for playoffs.

    Combined…tough losses but none that were catastrophic. Playing without the big 3 while inserting role players to starting status against playoff bound teams all the while creating leads only to be lost in the last minutes of these games against opponents who were at or near full strength is cause for optimism when the big 3 are healthy enough to play all at once again.

    Go Spurs Go!!!

  • TD = Best EVER

    Looking at the playoff picture……… WE are basically destined it seems to battle Memphis in the 1st round…….

    The bottom 3 teams and number of losses

    32 - NO
    32 - Portland
    33 - Memphis

    So Memphis is a full game back with 7 left to play……

    Here is there remaining schedule
    @ NO
    vs Minn
    vs Clippers
    vs Kings
    vs NO
    @ Portland
    @ Clippers

    Just looking at those games I could see them going 5-2 at best…… They are a tough team, but they can also struggle against teams that aren’t that good.

    0-2 against NO
    1-1 against Portland
    3-0 against Memphis
    2-0 against Clippers
    2-1 against Kings

    So it basically comes down to the head to head matchups Vs NO and Portland…..

    If they loose the Portland game, they would need to win both NO games to get out of the 8th spot….. because of tie breaker rules……

    So there’s the playoff picture for you……

  • BigJ

    @BetsyDuncan
    Happy to share.

    Hey, it’s interesting to read the balance of Spurs and Lakers posts here. While the Spurs woes are well detailed it seems like a few things must be noted about the Lakers woes.

    - The lower seeded teams are not intimidated by the top seeds. Although the Lakers enjoy the flexing Artest represents it’s carry over effect is not what it once was. The lower three seeds in the West are salivating for the opportunity to drop a top seed and that includes the Lakers.

    - The Lakers front line strength is evident, their depth is not. The bench has disappeared for great stretches of this season and suggesting their recent win streak cures all ails is short sighted. The Lakers bench weakness has the potential to bite them in the playoffs.

    - Kobe’s injuries. The attention to Timmy is well detailed. Tell me, though, what happens if Kobe’s injuries zap his potential? The point is, the emphasis on this being somewhat of a Spurs/Celtics issue has a narrow scope.

    - Highlighted by the last two points, all of the top seeds (save the Bulls and Heat) are succeptable to ill effects from back to back prolonged series during the play offs. Once again, the Spurs are not the only team who could be adversely effected by this scenario.

    My aim is to note it’s easy to point out the foibles the Spurs face and to accept them as overly unique to their situation. More so than previous years many other contenders share these burdens.

    GO SPURS GO!

  • grego

    Lockdown defender? There aren’t many. Battier is a free agent, but he is getting older. OKC is not letting Thabo Sefolosha go.

    The hope would be that Green and/or Butler can be developed into becoming capable defenders, but even next year they wouldn’t be “lock down”.

    Honestly, the Spurs would benefit more from multiple good defenders rather than one great defender, because there are very few great defenders. A lot less holes if the team is really good, even if there’s no great defender.

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