Portland Trail Blazers 98, San Antonio Spurs 94

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i-2The air of optimism I had begun to breathe was sucked from the room this evening when the Spurs fell to the woefully undermanned Blazers 98-94. There’s always a temptation to point to a few particulars and excuse the loss: We took 21 three-pointers, only six of which went through the net even though the vast majority were decent looks. And we consistently forced the Blazers into taking long jumpers late in the shot clock, many of which happened to fall. As Coach Pop often says, they made shots; we didn’t.

Other details are far more damning. For instance, we were outrebounded by a team that, because of injuries, was left without its first and second string centers. More specifically, we allowed a combination of Juwan Howard, Jeff Pendergraph, and Dante Cunningham to corral 20 boards, six of which were offensive (the Blazers had 11 offensive rebounds overall). When your frontline is composed of Tim Duncan, DeJuan Blair, and Antonio McDyess, there is absolutely no excuse for that.

There are several other macro elements to bemoan: the Spurs turned the ball over excessively in the first half (although my choice of adverb begs the question, “what is an unexcessive turnover?). After going 13-14 from the charity stripe in the first, the Spurs only took three free throw attempts in the second half. And, generally put, the Blazers seemed more prepared to play a physical brand of basketball. But there are a few specific tactical elements of the game that I found interesting/confusing that I’d rather focus my recap on.

In the first quarter the Spurs ran a few pick-and-pops for Duncan and McDyess. There’s nothing unusual about that play; the Spurs run it incessantly. What is unusual is its absence for the remainder of the game. After running three in the first quarter (on which the Spur were 2-3), we ran none in the second, 2 in the third, and none in the fourth.

Whether it ends in a long (but nearly always wide-open) two, a quick pass to a rolling forward, or a mismatch for the driving guard, the pick-and-roll at the top of the paint is a way to get a high quality look on command. The play’s practical disappearance for the final 36 minutes is all the more confusing given that Jeff Pendergraph and Dante Cunningham saw a combined 26 minutes in the Blazers frontcourt tonight, and rookies are notoriously bad at defending the pick-and-roll.

But of all the tactical aspects of tonight’s game, I’m most intrigued by the placement of our perimeter shooters on two plays: one general, one specific.

Throughout the second half, someone, oftentimes Tony Parker, found himself in the corner facing Tim Duncan on the corresponding low block. The man in the corner would dish it in to Duncan, who was being double teamed immediately, sometimes before the pass even arrived. But the double team was not coming from the perimeter defender who was covering the passer; instead the weak side post defender was fully committing to doubling Duncan. In these situations, the perimeter defender was able to stay home on the player who made the initial pass while the two men guarding Duncan were able to crowd the baseline, preventing him from going glass. Instead, Duncan was consistently forced to make a move to the middle, in which is he far less likely to draw a foul.

Meanwhile two or three (depending on the lineup) other Spurs were perched along the three-point line on the opposite side of the floor. My question is, why wasn’t one of those players set up along the near side perimeter or, even better, shifting into position as the entry pass (and subsequent double) arrived?

If you rotate a man to the top of the key or a few feet over along the curve of the arc, you give Duncan, who is an excellent inside-outside passer, an opportunity to make the defense pay for the double. The second near-side shooter either has an open look or is in excellent position to swing the ball along the perimeter and find the player whose man has left him and overcommitted to Duncan. Instead the Spurs left Duncan without a viable pass and with a surprisingly difficult shot.

The specific play that intrigues me began with Manu Ginobili’s rebound with 1:00 left in the fourth and ended when Richard Jefferson missed a corner three with 43 seconds left.

During that play, Richard Jefferson positioned himself in the corner while Roger Mason was stationed halfway between the corner and the top of the arc. Jefferson received a beautiful pass and got a wide open look which, disappointingly, did not go in. My question is, why was Mason at angle and Jefferson in the corner?

Mason is the better 3-point shoooter and Jefferson is the better slasher. But on this particular play, Jefferson was setup to receive a better perimeter look while Mason was given a clear path to attack the rim. My first thought was, they should switch- Mason should be be in position to catch-and-shoot while Jefferson should have the alley to the basket. And for most of the game, that is exactly where the would line up.

But I wonder if their position was switched exactly because of the scenario. Mason is the better shooter so place Jefferson in the corner, which is an easier look, while simultaneously placing Mason on the angle, where he is comfortable shooting from anyways. During any old play, you set Mason up for the three and Jefferson up for the drive. Down by four with under a minute left, you set each up with a three-point look they are comfortable taking.

My last question concerns Gregg Popovich’s decision to aggressively double team LaMarcus Aldridge. In Monday’s game against the Clippers, Pop chose to consistently play Chris Kaman straight up. Apparently he is more threatened by Aldridge, given that he sent two defenders at him throughout the second half. But Aldridge effectively passed out of the double, and the Blazers nailed five of the eleven three-pointers they took before scrambling rotators were able to recover. What was it about tonight’s game that made Pop more willing to stray from his “stay home” defensive strategy, and risk the open three in order to double Aldridge?

  • Sauce

    This was less of the Spurs losing than the Blazers winning. With all the injuries the Blazers have faced and the great play of Bayless, though a loss hurts, especially when the spurs were gaining momentum again, I don’t think we should dwell on this loss too much.

  • rocko.texas

    I was only able to see parts of the game, unfortunately. However, I did see quite a bit of small ball. If accurate, this would seem to explain two aspects of yesterday’s game.

    1. Although we should have had an advantage on the boards (due to the lack of a true center on the Blazer’s roster), heavy minutes of small ball would negate this advantage. With the size advantage reduced, the battle of the boards came down to other factors. Although we were only out-rebounded by 3 boards, I feel like we gave Portland exactly what they wanted.

    2. Small-ball also resulted in Richard Jefferson being put on Aldridge. Jefferson had no real chance of defending Aldridge straight up. Wouldn’t this mismatch explain why Pop decided to double Aldridge so aggressively? This as opposed to the Clippers game where Kaman was more frequently guarded by a traditional big (if my memory serves me correctly).

    Finally, is it just me or did Ginobili take a lot of contested, deep-jump shots? I understand that he may not feel healthy or quick enough to drive to the basket (which is a problem in of itself). However, I feel like he is making it worse by forcing the action and taking difficult, low-percentage shots.

  • SpurredOn

    Odd, odd game. Another reason why I do not like playing teams that are missing a top player for a game or two; everyone else ups their game in the short term and the opponent has all the pressure in the 4th quarter of a close game.

    Blazers made all the plays but, being short handed, they still would’ve fallen short had the Spurs made any number of wide open shots or done a better job with their offensive sets (as you mentioned). It’s one more close end of game loss to a playoff team, just like losses in Utah and Dallas plus the home loss to Boston. It’s also a wasted opportunity and gives the Blazers tremendous confidence against the Spurs. That’s four consecutive wins in this series and it doesn’t matter how or why. They now feel comfortable playing the Spurs.

  • TimmyD

    Keep on guessing Spurs fans… Bayless OWNED you tonight. Oh, AND you let Juwon Howard outplay Duncan. Nice job Blazers!

  • muwu

    Sooo, is it time to panic already? You know, with all the Spurs people thinking “Oh nothing before the rodeo matters”, what happens on the year that the Spurs finally break down?

    The Spurs are going to need to rebuild some time, and with the non-concern with the first half of the season, we might realize it too late when the time finally comes. It could be this year, it could be the next, or the next.

    Are the Blazers a real true blue playoff team to chalk this loss up to a better playoff team? They’re missing Oden, Przybilla, Batum, Roy, and Fernandez. Is no one alarmed that the Spurs lost to a team that’s missing its top two centers, one of its best perimeter defenders, a starter, and its best player? Can we emphasize that fact?

    All I know is, when I ask “would this happen to the Spurs 2 years ago?” The answer would be no way.

  • duaneofly

    No Oden. No Pryzbilla. No Roy. We still lost. That’s pathetic.

  • Chris

    Surely this is a freak game. Portland hit countless high arching contested jump shots and the ones they missed all seemed to end up with long offensive rebounds. Frustrating as hell to watch.

  • muwu

    A quote from Blazersedge: “The Blazers are now missing 5 of their top 10 players. They are missing all three of their best defenders. They are missing both of their best rebounders. They have lost everybody over 7-feet tall.” And this was before they knew Roy was gone too.

    Spurs losing to a situation like that? Seems to be a lot of “freak” games this season. How many more “aberrations” before we stop calling them freak games and becomes the norm?

  • chromao

    Sooo, is it time to panic already?

    Of course it is!!

    It is not just a game we lost. I would very much rather have lost to Indiana w/o Granger. It is one thing to lose to a team without its star; other situation much much worse is losing at home to a depleted team missing four starters (being Roy one of them!). Nate McMillin must have come to the game with the following mind set: we won a tough game yesterday, we lost two more players and now we we are really depleted, so one of to things might happen today (1) we are going to be blown out of this court or (2) we are going to start the game strong just to tire down the stretch due to lack of personnel.

    Mesage to 48MOH Guys: we already lost the series to Portland (two losses out of three) and to Utah (three losses out of four), and we are still in december !! We have already lost to Phoenix, Denver and Dallas (against the latter we are 1-1). The only current playoff team we (still) hold advantage is Houston. Do we really believe we can win a series agains one of these teams, if the playoffs started today? Moreover, besides the Lakers, we have been a team “blessed” with the softer schedulle to start the season. After January, we are going to play a lot more road games, and against much tougher oponents. I sincerely do not understand why people treat this game as just another game, another loss.

    So, it IS time to panic indeed !

  • sj_papi

    Wow.. Wow. this loss is more sobering than anything. lets face it guys, theres no more chemistry these guys can learn. this team is seriously lost and just looks disjointed when up against any real competition. Is Pop still thinking he can right the ship?

  • bduran

    At this point it has to be mental right? I mean every over .500 team we face we’re in it at the end and we can think, if we just did this or that we would have won, except we don’t. Then we go ahead blow out most of the sub .500 teams leading Hollinger and Sagarin to rank us 8th.

    I keep thinking at some point we have to win some of the close games against good opponents, but I we just don’t seem to play sharp against quality competition. I was looking forward to not needing the Big 3 to be the “Big 3″ this year but it’s looking more and more like that’s not the case. We need Ginobili back close to form or we are in trouble.

  • ThatBigGuy

    I think I’ve been the loudest voice calling for us to be patient and to give this organization the benefit of the doubt by waiting for the Rodeo Road Trip to determine exactly how good we actually are. But, to be honest, last night’s game just pissed me off. I couldn’t find it on TV, and only was able to listen to the first half on WOAI, so I don’t have any really good ideas for why we lost. The Suns game can be explained away, as with most of our losses. But this one sucks.

    My support for the “Wait and be Patient” train is starting to waver. I bet Pop had some very choice words for his team in the locker room after the game.

    Come on Spurs, kick it up a notch! Let’s not waste another fantastic year from Timmy, who, by the way, is second in PER in the league.

  • zainn

    most games could be found on atdhe.net. Anyways, I believe the reason we lost was b/c the undermanned blazers found their rhythm. When a player keeps playing continuously, like jerrd bayless and alridge did, they can find a rhythmr. They will keep that rhythm until their coach takes them out. In this case, nate didn’t. They did the same thing they did to dallas. And without matt bonner, we only had one pure three point shooter from last year: roger mason who lit it up in the second half with atleast four three pointers consecutively. This is the example of rhythm that they had, and manu, hill and others, didn’t.

  • agutierrez

    Don’t know if it’s time to hit the panic button or not, but my sense is that Pop has no idea what to do with this group. Part of this is Pop’s own fault as some of the analysis above points out, but part of it is also the wild inconsistency by everyone on the team not named Tim Duncan. On a nightly basis we have no idea what to expect from anyone other than Tim. In the past, we knew exactly what we were getting from guys like Bruce, Fab, hell, even from the JV. But this group is baffling; one night Blair is a beast, the next he looks completely lost. Bogans is the reincarnation of Bruce one night and others (like last night) you know exactly why he was a throw-away player before he came to SA. Tony and Manu have been the same way. Don’t know how much of this is due to Pop’s failure to give players specific roles, definitions and direction or perhaps it just is what it is; namely, the guys have just been inconsistent. Either way, we damn well better figure it out soon or we’re in for a long, disappointing season.

  • junierizzle

    WHAT IS GOING ON???

    SO many things to put the blame on.

    RIght now Im blaming POP, yeah I said it. HIs constant changes have prevented this team to play consistently.
    For example. The Spurs fall down by 9 or 11. MANU comes in and starts to run the offense. Everybody just plays better with MANU. He slashes, he dishes and helps cut the lead down to 1 I believe, maybe it was 3. Blazers call a time out. SPurs have momentum. Then, POP SITS MANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A minute and a half or so go by and the Blazers push it back up to 9. Then POP puts Manu back in. By then it was too late, the lead went up to 11 and eventually 13(I’m sure MANU really needed minute rest??). WIth MANU they did manage to cut it back to 4 then 2. but it was too late. Why did he sit him??????/?????????????????
    Another example: WHy start BLAIR if he is going to disappear until the 3rd quarter?? ANd why only give him one post play. He moved Aldridge back like a little kid.
    Last example:Why double ALdridge?? He’s a shooter, he doesn’t even want to post up. All that did was give the blazers wide open looks.
    Remember when the SPURS played Tenacious D. No one got wide open looks, everyone at least had a hand in their face. THey used to play D like the CAVS play D. Hmmm, who did MIke Brown used to work for????????

    On a side note, what’s with teams playing like JORDAN against the Spurs??? You think ALridge is gonna hit those long jumpers in Staples Center? NO. Seems like someone is always getting a career high against the SPURS.

  • BayAreaSpursFan

    I think by now the Spurs could have found a starting five that could start the game and give them a lead or keep it close. It seems like Pop is trying to hard to mix and match his players . I know we do not see the whole picture that he sees. It is about time this season that the Spurs put out a starting five that will dominate and a bench that will come in and keep it going.

  • lvmainman

    Doubling Aldridge was based mainly on guarding him with a midget, Blair or Jefferson which is a 6 inch difference. It also led to long rebounds being grabbed over the midgets head. See Ginobili foul on lob to Aldridge for 2 FT’s.

    Who could stop Bayless? No one – not Bogans(too slow), not Parker(too small and lightweight), and not Hill. Hill got benched for… doing the ole’ defense, standing to the side anticipating a screen and allow his man to dribble directly to the basket!! Then got chewed out by Popovich. Hill is a lousy on ball defender.

    Pop should let guards go under screens @ the 3 pt line, because letting guards in the paint or shoot FT jumpers or create big on small mismatches is killing the Spurs.

    Blair on rebounds didn’t block out. A rookie mistake.

    Juwan Howard is a nemesis for Duncan with his fouling every play and no foul called. Amazingly Duncan shot 11 FT’s 1st half and ZERO 2nd half, even though Howard kept fouling.

    It is clear the current makeup of the Spurs roster is not a good one despite all the offseason work.

    We missed out on Stephen Jackson, . Spurs need a young, athletic big man with size! I’d trade Parker and Bonner for Chris Bosh. Then get a guard on the cheap like Randy Foye or Ramon Sessions.

  • SpursfanSteve

    lvmainman-
    bosh is not worth parker and bonner. He’s soft and i dont think hes played defense in 2 years. His biggest strengths are his athleticism and his ability to hit jumpers- but Bonner is a better shooter and can stretch all the way to deep 3. Bosh cant do that. As far as pairing with Duncan, i’d rather have Bonner and Parker.

  • zainn

    I wouldnt mind trading for cb4, but our team has already spent too much money on bigs like mcdyess and ratliff. i also wouldnt mind trading tp9, but toronto will not trade bosh until they are certain that he will not resign with toronto. when we do this trade, it will also open up minutes for hill and mason. parker is not able to charge into the lane anymore, the bigs on winning teams keep making sure he dosent get the and1 and blocking him, killing his morale, and his wife’s reputation. we could maybe trade for cp3 due to the fact that the hornets know that cp3 will not resign with them. a trade for cp3 is possible. Tony parker and matt bonner for cp3 and james posey works in nba trade machine, both tp9 and bonners contracts expire in 1 to 2 seasons, its a win win for both teams. hornets cut salary and spurs become better than lakers.

  • doggydogworld

    Anyone else think Blair is a poor defensive rebounder? He focuses on the ball instead of blocking out. Defensive rebounding is not about getting the ball, it’s about preventing your man from getting the ball.

    He played the first 6:07, during which Portland rebounded 4 of their 5 missed shots (80% rate). With him out Portland got 1 of 4 missed shots but after he came back in at 2:24 they got 2 of 3 misses. Portland got no offensive boards during the 2nd quarter, including the 3:10 that Blair played, but got 2 boards on 3 misses during DeJuan’s 2nd half stints.

    Overall Portland’s offensive rebounding rate was 53% (8 of 15) when DeJuan was in and 12% (5 of 42) when he was out. I don’t know how much was poor blocking out and how much was “bad bounces”, but it was their bigs doing the damage.

  • doggydogworld

    Oops, bad math. Portland’s offensive rebounding rate was 19% (5 of 27) when Blair was out, not 12%.

  • lvmainman

    Bonner is not a better shooter according to stats this year.

    Bosh FG% .513 (only 21 players in the entire nba shoot better) - Bonner .493

    Bosh FT% .775 - Bonner .762

    Bosh 3 pt FG% .462 - Bonner .451

    Bosh Rebounds per 48 min 15.4 - Bonner 10.7

    Spursfanssteve, I disagree with your belief that Bonner is a better defender than Bosh. I’d much rather have Bosh in McDyess’ role and McDyess in Bonner’s role.

  • Tom

    I am new to this board. I have been watching the Spurs now for a few years and have become a fan of the team and especially Manu Ginobili.

    Watching the team this year, and watching Manu, it seems that they really miss his ability to score and make things happen. With the exception of a few games this year, Toronto, Sacremento and Charlotte, Manu seems very passive. These last 5 games have been brutal, with him averaging less than 9 points a game.

    It can’t be rust… the season is almost 1/3 over. Has Manu lost a step and lost his aggressiveness? He seems content to just be out on the floor rather than making things happen.

    I think the team goes as Manu goes. If he is going to play 33 minutes and score 7 points, like last night, I think the season will be a lost cause.

  • Dr. Love

    Hoping we might be able to trade-rape some random team in the short run doesn’t really seem like a real world strategy.

  • SpursfanSteve

    I never said Bonner was a better defender. I’m just saying Bosh isnt much better than Bonner. Sure, he’s more athletic, and i seem to remember some monster all around games where i saw him block some shots, but nothing consistent. Bonner has played really well for us. I dont understand why everyone hates on him all the time. He’s not the best defender by any means, but hes not a liability against most teams either. In most cases, he gives us as much of an advantage on offense as he does on defense. Would Odom be able to abuse him, yes. But the number of people who can match up well with Odom you can count on 1 hand.

    Not to mention that Toronto would never do that trade. Not in a million years.

  • Bentley

    I think we’re at the point where we just say that the Spurs just aren’t a title contender right now.

  • Kipconrad

    What the hell is happening to us??? Why do they keep on f***ing losing???? I think we need an assisting point guard not a scoring PG, we already have an SG for that task. All tony did was run and shoot. New players need a facilitator and tony ain’t facilitating. We really really really really really really need an assisting point guard. That’s the essence of a point guard anyway; ASSISTING. I would say that last year’s team was much efficient but not talented compared to this group. I wish we have someone like Steve Nash as a PG. Good luck to the spurs. If they can’t win against the Bucks the next game, entering the playoffs would become a very distant future for us. I am very very disappointed. I’ll keep my fingers crossed. *sigh

  • sagcat

    The Blazers were essentially a bunch of guys getting one of their first chances to really play, and everyone of them played like it. They played about as hard as a team can, and when it’s just a “normal” game for the other team… the more motivated team can make something strange happen. Like upset the Spurs in San Antonio.

  • SPURS STINK

    Spursfansteve… Are you serious? Bosh “alittle” better than Bonner… LMAO. Bosh was on the olympic team and Bonner? Not so much. He shoots 3’s thats it. Bosh can take over a game. Bonner without Tim Duncan would be in the “D” league. The Spurs just stink its time for you people to understand that.

  • junierizzle

    I think all the Bonner haters wish he was in the line up now.

    He would’ve spread the floor for sure last night. And if no one else wants to shoot, then trade for a shooter!!!! Dont trade Parker.

  • vikombe

    I never thought I’d say this but I think we missed the spacing, decent defense and rebounding from Matt Bonner. Without Bonner the spacing on the floor was poor and the blazers took advantage of the spurs having McDyess or Blair on the floor to double-team TD with a second big. When we played small ball, the Blazers had 2 bigs on the floor at crucial stretches of the game and this resulted in 10 of the 11 OREBs. Playing Jefferson at the PF position in our small-ball lineup was a poor decision on Pop’s part.

    Is it time to panic? I don’t think so but I’m starting to get nervous. The thing that worries me most is our defense. Our opponents FG% is .454, good for 15th in the league. We are even worse at opponents 3pt FG% at .350, good for 16th. Our rebounding differential is actually pretty good, +3.9, this is second in the league. Our percentage of total rebounds in a game is 52.4%, which is also ranked second. What’s been killing us is that teams are scoring with ease against us, especially when we go into our inexplicable scoring droughts.

    What’s up with two of our big 3? Manu is in a super slump while TP is playing average at best.

    George Hill’s play is below average. He needs to be more aggressive and find a way to get to the line.

    I like the spark Mason has been providing off the bench.

  • Rye

    Pop’s coaching this season has been deplorable. The Spurs face an injury depleted roster with one legit big and a lack of shot creators around him on the perimeter and they proceed to play small on him and consistently double? All this did was open up wide open looks for a bunch of players who aren’t looking to go one-on-one off the dribble.

    McDyess and Ratliff should have taken the task of playing Aldridge straight up and the Spurs should have stayed home on everyone else. The Trail Blazers likely wouldn’t have had enough offensive creativity to win the game this way. Instead, the Spurs played right into their hands and lost. Unbelievable.

    At this point, this team is easily the biggest underachiever in the entire league and a joke until proven otherwise.

  • werdb

    Pop’s lack of coaching, letting Parker and Hill call the plays seems to be causing issues a bit, but the biggest problem I saw was the lack of spacing in the game.
    Countless possessions I saw a pass into Duncan with 3 Spurs hovering around him bringing their defenders with them clogging passing lanes and cutting lanes.
    The team looks like it could break out at any moment but having players look lost and not keeping their spacing is killing them.

  • New York City

    I am so pissed off right now. Not even angry-just disappointed. I am so crushed, I can’t even muster up the gumption to be angry.

    How the hell did we lose this one?? How???

    They have their best player out (Roy), their second best player’s out (Oden), his back up is out (Pryz…pryz…whatever), their fourth best player’s out (Fernandez), two forwards and another guard are out, they don’t even play Tolliver (who they acquired as a hardship fill-in for that center spot) and we still can’t beat this Portland team? Are you kidding me?!?!?

    Did I mention their coach is on crutches-crutches!- because they’re so shorthanded he has to suit up for practice, thereby injuring himself?

    They’re missing an entire position for christ’s sake! They’re playing Juwan Howard-who is ancient-out of position and he goes ape shit with a double-double. He had a +22, the highest rating of any player in the game. If he can do that, then there is no excuse for us to lose to any team, let alone a depleted Portland with no center!

    That’s the equivalent of us having no Tim Duncan, no McDyess for back up, no Ginobili, no Jefferson, and no Mason or Finley (roughly equivalent to two forwards and a guard). And just for shits and giggles, we won’t suit up “Yawn” either. (What else is new?)

    Can you imagine us trotting out a starting line up of Ratliff, Blair, Bogans, Parker and Hill, with Bonner, Hairston and Haislip coming off the bench and beating a Lakers team missing only, say, Vujacic and Fisher? (Those would be the equivalent to Finley and Bonner: Vujacic being a three-point shooter not good for much else [ha!, we got you beat: ours is lame AND old], and Fisher being a gimp point too slow to match up with other pg’s in the league and who shoots the three [as opposed to Bonner, a gimp center too soft to match up with other centers in the league and who shoots the three].) And Pop would have to take to the court during practice and rupture his achilles to match.

    We can’t beat a single +.500 team with all our guys healthy; forget about LA . And now apparently we can’t beat a Jail Blazers B-squad either.

    I just have no words left. I am officially hitting the Panic Button on the season.

    I hate to say this, but I don’t think we will even make it to the playoffs this year.

    Hate me if you want, but I am just too dejected now to see any hope of salvation. I’ve been defending this team and letting the nay-sayers roll off my back up to this point, but this loss is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

  • hobson13

    I am not ready to pull the plug on the season just yet, but this has to be the low point for the young season. The Spurs barely pull out a win against the Pacers sans Granger and then lose to a team who is missing half their players (both home games I might add). I can be patient for 10-15 more games, but at some point this team needs to show some signs of improvement. Right now I don’t think they’s last 5 games in the playoffs against anyone above .500 in the west.

    So far this year we have lost games in every conceivable fashion. Poor fg shooting, bad free throw shooting, excessive turnovers, pathetic defense, you name a weakness a team can have and the Spurs have lost a game because of it. Gang, we are 26 games into this season and I have seen very little improvement from one game to the next. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to their performance and the only thing consistent is that they lose to teams over .500. I’ve watched bball for a llloonng time and I still can’t figure out this team…

    If this team can’t show something by the half way point, the FO really needs to look to the future. ESPN ran an article several days ago confirming what I thought: good players can be for firesale prices for teams willing to shed expiring contracts. The Spurs have numerous expiring contracts and trade assets that can be bundled to get some young blood on this team. Expiring contracts like Manu, Mason, Finley, Bonner and good contracts like Tony’s (who’s been a huge underachiever so far this year) would be good trade bait. Just off the top of my head here are some names brandied about on the trading block…

    Chris Bosh
    Chris Paul
    Kevin Martin
    Nate Robinson
    Monta Ellis
    Anthony Randolph

    All these guys (nate maybe a stretch) would be great young players for the future if this team can’t cut the mustard come trade deadline time.

  • alfahdlan

    Calm down fellas, spurs shun physical play till its the rodeo trip where they fine tune for the playoff. What matters most is that our important weapons are healthy come playoff time. Regular games are for training and learning. We still have the weapons. We unleash them to the maximum when it matters most. For now health is the most important. We hold back a little bit the aggressiveness lest our players got injured. Remember most of our key players have recent history of injuries. Keep the faith.

  • NickyDubs

    lvmainman, I want to give you props on recognizing that our guards go over screens that are 30 feet away from the basket, even against guards that can’t shoot but sure as hell can drive. That is a huge reason that Bayless killed us. And for all that Tony gives us, it pains me to watch him play “defense.”

    alfahdlan, I’d like to address your point, too. It’s true that in the past our Rodeo road trip has been the beginning of our rise. I searched but couldn’t find our W-L records for this point in previous seasons, but I believe that in the past we’ve been in a much better position going into the new year. We’ve been younger and haven’t had to limit the minutes for our 3 best players as restrictively as we do this year. The 3 best teams we have beat are Houston, Dallas, and Toronto. Essentially, we are in a situation in which we have never been before. We have been able to count on the Rodeo road trip in years past, but this year has been so bizarre that I don’t think we can feel comfortable relying on it.

    It may not be time to hit the panic button, but we should have opened the little box and have our hands hovering just above it. This loss should at least result in a paradigm shift. No more apologies. No more excuses. No more losing to teams we should beat. And why don’t we go ahead and get a victory against a contender while we’re at it? We’ve had enough moral victories to last us for the rest of the season.

  • wannabe_fan

    Well, after seeing the blazers beat denver, I don’t feel so bad. I still think we’ll pull it out, although I’d like to see some sign of life well before the rodeo trip.

  • dave25

    You know it is really sad that the people on this blog are so delusional. wannabe_fan, Im not picking on your post everyone is entitled to their opinion. The point needs to be made that Brandon Roy played a hell of a game against Denver. S.a. lost to Portland/against mostly scrub players and Lamarcus Ald. What do the people on this website have to see before they will admit that the spurs are not the team we thought they would be. They are not even an average defensive team, that has always been there calling card during the championship years. Spurs can only hope to make the playoffs, were they more than likely won’t make it out of the first round.(Not going to happen). With just about 30 games, that is a good indicator of what kind of team you have. Pls stop making excuses Spurs fans.

  • duaneofly

    I was able to catch the 3rd quarter of the Boston vs Orlando game yesterday. While watching that I couldn’t help but think Vince Carter would have been just what we needed. Every time he got the ball he immediately drove to the hoop, made a basket, and/or drew a foul.
    If we could have picked him up, at the expense of Hill, Mason, + expirings, instead of RJ, I wonder how our season would have played out so far.

  • wannabe_fan

    re: Dave25: That’s the problem with blogs and the internet in general. Some folks don’t recognize things for what they really are. “Delusional”? No. Sarcastic? Hell yeah! Realistic? Yes, again.

    We’ve not played to ESPN’s predictions and everyone is pissed. Myself (somewhat) included. Are we going to be in the 09-10 Finals? Not likely. 1st round exit? Again, not likely.

    The problem with most fans is they are blinded by the glare from the 4 trophys, and they’ll be pissed unless we get another one.

    What is the team’s problem? Well, that’s been discussed here and everywhere ad infinitum. I don’t think I can add anything unique on that topic.

    What can I add? Only the perspective from the lean years (McHone, Cotton-ball); the crushing disappointment of the ’79 EC finals (and more), so my expectations are somewhat more grounded. If it happens, it happens…

    What an I going to do? Watch the next game, curse at the TV if we play bad…and wait for the next game. My real, honest opinion: as in many years, we are under the radar and will surprise some folks in the end. Delusional? Not a chance.