About last summer

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Tomorrow afternoon marks the deadline on the NBA’s amnesty clause.  Back on December 7, Adrian Wojnarowski tweeted that the Spurs had decided to use the NBA’s amnesty provision on Richard Jefferson. Since that moment, everyone has treated the information as established fact. There is the small problem, of course, of Jefferson’s continued place on the Spurs’ roster.

By this time tomorrow, Wojnarowski will probably seem like a man a full eleven days ahead of the events of the universe. He is the most news-breakingest guy in the entire tribe of NBA observers. But I still think there are good arguments for the Spurs not to amnesty Richard Jefferson. The Spurs, we trust, are well aware of those talking points.

One of those arguments involves timing. Another involves cost.

Part of that decision of whether to amnesty RJ hinges on the Spurs’ pursuit of other players, such as their reported contract offer they have out to Josh Howard. One presumes Howard’s determination to sign with San Antonio is also a decision for or against Jefferson’s future with the team.

But all of this points to a bigger question, one that Spurs watchers usually don’t need to discuss. What were the Spurs thinking? Specifically, what were the Spurs thinking when they re-signed Richard Jefferson?

It’s easy to forget that RJ opted out of his contract last summer. The Spurs chose to re-sign him, despite the fact that his contract was an onerous burden to the franchise even before the ink had dried. Simply put, the Spurs overpaid for a player who was already under-performing.  R.C. Buford and his staff don’t make many mistakes, but Richard Jefferson is undoubtedly that—a rare, unquestioned blunder by the Spurs’ typically blunder free front office.

The cost of this mistake is compounded if the Spurs not only amnesty RJ, but sign a replacement player to fill out his spot on the roster. CBA and cap aficionado Filipe Furtado (@filipefurtado) summarizes the Spurs cap situation this way:

If recent rumors are true and the San Antonio Spurs do amnesty Richard Jefferson and pursue a veteran SF with their MLE no fan can complain about ownership’s lack of commitment to winning. In this scenario,  accounting for TJ Ford, assuming Antonio McDyess is retiring, and the Spurs adding a veteran big man to the roster, the Spurs’ payroll would be around 70.73m, which is just above the luxury tax.

The Spurs recently waived Da’Sean Butler, whose non-guaranteed deal would have cost the team an additional $250,000 had he survived training camp. This put the team just beneath the tax penalty under the aforementioned scenario, but the Spurs still risk re-entering tax territory with any additional signing (Steve Novak?).

It’s hard to identify the precise cost of Peter Holt’s total RJ-related expenses because we don’t know exactly how much money the Spurs will need to pay Jefferson post-amnesty. If Jefferson clear waivers, the Spurs would be in for something between 79-82m (depending on willingness to pay tax), but it’s very unlikely that happens as there is no reason to think a below cap team like the Nets wouldn’t at least offer to pay minimum for his services. It’s safe to assume something between 1.5-3m of 9.28m owned to RJ this season will be paid by another team. So in the most likely scenario Spurs should pay somewhere between 76-80m on salary this year.

That’s a steep level of spending for the small market Spurs.

To put things differently, the cost of last summer’s Richard Jefferson resigning was 38.8 million, a number the team is looking hard at swallowing. It didn’t make sense then—the collective hoops blogosphere responded with a “Wait, wha?”—and it continues to problematize things now. Combine that number with the cost of replacing him with even a modest contract (5 million over two years for a new small forward), and the Spurs might be looking at more than 44 million in sunk cost, give or take, on the decision to re-sign RJ.

But let’s put RJ’s boondoggle contract in broader perspective.  Bruce Bowen’s Spurs career earnings were 26.1 million. Robert Horry earned 15.5 million from his tour of duty in San Antonio.  Unless someone eats part of his contact, or the Spurs find a trade partner for him, Richard Jefferson will make 53 million from his two seasons donning silver and black.

But the actual cost of Richard Jefferson is 53 million + the cost of a replacement player + whatever tax penalties are associated with Jefferson and his replacement’s contract.  Re-signing Richard Jefferson last summer is something like a 60 million dollar mistake.

This, Spurs fans, is the cost of a single front office miscalculation. Place Richard Jefferson in the Jackie Butler file of regretful Spurs contracts.

And this, for what it’s worth, is why I’m concerned for the Spurs’ current pursuit of players like Josh Howard. There is no need to add insult to injury by paying another past his prime veteran to gum up the books as the Spurs advance toward their rebuild years. One bad contract can throw the entire train off the tracks. Just ask Mark Cuban.

This takes us back to the question of when and if the Spurs will use the amnesty clause on RJ. Despite it all, I don’t think they will. Patiently seeking a trade partner has always made more sense. You can see the cost of amnesty. It’s ugly. And besides, Kawhi Leonard will need time to adjust to the NBA. RJ’s primary value to the Spurs is helping that process along.

*Big thanks to Filipe Furtado for his help with this post.

  • zeanocril

    Okay, now I’m going to give my own perspective on this. Last summer, before opting out of his last contract, RJ was scheduled to make around 15M. And with that contract, the spurs would have been around 6M over the luxury tax threshold last season, so the cost of keeping RJ last year is almost 21M. Instead, RJ opted out and they restructured his new conract that will pay him 39M over 4 years such that they will be just right under the tax line last season. If we subtract the 21M (that would have cost the team last season in RJ’s previous conract) from his 39M contract, we are looking at roughly 18M dollars of additional cost to keep RJ for 3 more years. I call these 18M dollars the “risk” money involved in the RJ extension. So, is RJ worth 18M over 3 years? I think so. I don’t think he also played bad last year. The team won 60+ games last year for crying out loud. I think the only real problem is that everyone expected more from him than what he is able to give the team, especially during the Memphis series. (And actually I am among those who think RJ (and TP to a certain extent) should have stepped up when Memphis is thrashing us, because its hard to blame TD and Manu for their injuries.. 

  • Bob

    RJ’s first year was worth 15mil and his second contract I believe is 39mil over 4 years. But in all honesty who would the Spurs have gotten last summer if they didn’t get RJ? I don’t remeber there being tons of good free agent small forwards that would have signed for the midlevel. They would have either had to trade for one or gone without. I think it was understandable that they signed him and at the beginning of the year when he was averaging 20 it was definitely worth it. To me it makes more sense to try to get 17-20 ppg out of Jefferson. A more aggressive RJ helps the team more. He’s one of their most efficient scorers. His TS% was tied for 17th last season or as good as Dirk.

  • zeanocril

    And btw, amnestying RJ therefore would mean only 18M of money down the drain brought about by last summer’s contract. (thats actually 18M minus the money that other team would pay him should they pick him up the amnesty waiver) 

  • http://twitter.com/jaceman49 Jonas Chang

    “RJ’s primary value to the Spurs is helping that process along.”

    I entirely agree with this provided that our primary goal is already future looking and rebuilding. I think many Spurs fans are torn between the flashes of glory in the twilight of Tim Duncan’s career and the reality of having to build a new roster completely from scratch. The two key questions of this season I think in determining how to deal with Jefferson’s contract comes down to: how much is left in the tank for Manu and Timmeh? and what can the youngsters bring to the table right now (specifically Kawhi Leonard and Tiago Splitter)? 

    Generally speaking, the Spurs are pretty good about keeping the lid on things until they actually happen, and while Richard Jefferson’s trade and re-signing may be a fairly large front office mistake on our part, it’s already been said and done so what are we going to do to mitigate the damage. I grant that Josh Howard really doesn’t seem like a huge upgrade of Richard Jefferson, so why add the extra cost? Yet, I believe the question that drives is also, what are we looking for in Josh Howard that we don’t find in RJ? Certainly given the Spurs’ flexibility with their salary cap/luxury tax situation (of which I do not declare to be an expert) coupled with the small market and aging cornerstones, it’s natural to think that some of the more noted free agents would be uninterested (i.e. Shane Battier) or unaffordable (i.e. Andrei Kirilenko) or both (i.e. Tayshaun Prince).

    I guess the question of the hour is something along the lines of: where do we go from here? I would ask if we’re closing the window and a lot would argue that it’s already closed. RJ’s contract is done and gone, we know that, but are we selling ourselves short in saying “Well, we’d have to pay another contract to replace him?” I know money is a big issue that most fans don’t think about, but I’d also like to come back to a basketball perspective as well, and for me, that raises some questions:

    1.) Can we do better than Richard Jefferson (skill/talent-wise) in the free agency?
    This is a very iffy maybe for me.

    2.) What’s Kawhi Leonard’s learning/adjustment curve from the NCAA to the NBA?
    Another big question mark, which frankly no one can really tell until he starts playing. Everyone has one, some people get to where they need to be faster than others though.

    3.) Are we already looking at rebuilding mode or do we make another run?
    I frankly think this is one of the most important questions to answer in regards to what we do, because frankly, this, I believe determines entirely how the roster should be optimally put together.

  • Tyler

    Agreed. I think all signs point to RJ being amnestied next offseason. 

    A related point – does anyone really think Josh Howard is going to be any better than RJ of last year? Besides coming back from a knee injury, Howard hasn’t been very good since ’08-09. I feel like he’s lost a major step since his Dallas days.

    Say what you want about RJ, but he knocked down shots a pretty high rate last year. 

  • DorieStreet

    RJ came down to SA and worked on his game with Pop during the summer of 2010. ( I believe they were still trying to move him despite working torward the 2010-11 season. )  I suppose the thinking was everything will come together for RJ in his second season with the team.

    It just turned out between his hesitancy and inconstitency throughout the season, or the schemes/role the coaching staff directed him to produce under, RJ’s tenure evolved into a square peg/round hole problem with very disappointing results.

    It just goes to show you how draconian the NBA’s player salary structure is. Despite exemptions and provisions to help franchises maneuver themselves through the CBA (old and new), even one player contract that doesn’t translate to oncourt success can handicap teams’ ability to achieve and maintain a top-tier competitive squad.
    Even for a team such as the Spurs, who exercise much restraint when it comes player salaries. 

  • Tyler

    I’ll give it a shot:

    1.) Not at this moment. Josh Howard isn’t the same Josh Howard we remember in Dallas. I think the one thing the FO and Pop are looking for is toughness. I think that’s why we went so hard after Butler. But based on what’s out there, it’s hard for me to see anyone coming in and providing more than RJ. 

    2.) I think Leonard will be asked to play a lot from the get go. Not only will we be dealing with a grueling, compressed schedule, but I think Leonard is just that good. Also, like I said above, I think Pop is looking for toughness and I believe Leonard has it. I was able to watch a good deal of Leonard in college, and the guy competes. He’s not the type to be outhustled. He’s got a little “Manu” in him in that regard. I think his toughness and his ability to defend multiple positions will net him playing time right away. I could even see Leonard starting by the end of the season. (Also, I see James Anderson playing a good deal. I wouldn’t mind seeing Anderson in the starting lineup and moving Manu back to the bench so we can better control his minutes.)

    3.) We play out this year and see what happens. Maybe we make some minor moves at the trade deadline, but nothing major. I think next offseason is when things get interesting. We’ll have more financial flexibility with TD coming off the books, a potential RJ amnesty, a great 2012 draft class, and another big FA period. I doubt we’ll go into full blow Hornet’s style rebuilding as long as TD and Manu are around, but I think there’s the potential for a good shakeup. 

  • NYC

    Exactly. I agree with you, Timothy, and just about what everyone here is saying. Using amnesty on RJ now is “throwing good money after bad,” as they say in poker. I find it hard to believe the Spurs org would continue to compound a mistake. Any chance Wojnarowski got it wrong? I guess we’ll have a definitive answer by tomorrow.

  • grego

    They saved money by re-signing him. This means there was likely an under the table agreement prior to him opting out. 

    That said, RJ did shoot a career high from 3pt land last year. He also was pretty good in 4th quarter shooting percentages. 

    The ownership/front office knew a new CBA was coming. They likely had an idea that they’d want a new amnesty agreement. So, perhaps they planned for this possibility with the re-signing (in the case) he didn’t work? 

    Who knows, but as of right now, they did this move first and foremost for money reasons. They also didn’t get any other of the big named free agents last summer, so they were left with RJ as a better option than the remaining guys. 

    It’s tough to say what might have happened if they got one of those wings that they were interested in like Gomes. 

  • grego

    Howard is more of a risk then going with RJ in his 3rd year. At least we know, how well RJ can shoot (career high from behind the arc last year). Would help if the team focuses their offense on him a little bit more. 

  • JustinFL

    The only thing I can think of is that he has somehow gotten into Pop’s doghouse and Pop is standing firm on making an example out of him.  Or some kind of locker room situation that the public is unaware of.

  • Hobson13

    I’m really on the fence with regards to cutting RJ this year.  In reality, our biggest need is at the 4 or 5 spot.  We are really set at the 3 with both RJ and Leonard.  I’m almost certain that the Front Office will cut him next summer with Ducan’s contract coming off the books.  It would be a natural time to hit the reset button for the franchise.

    However, if the Front Office does decide to cut him, I would suggest going hard after Travis Outlaw.  I think we may be able to get him for cheap and he can even play some stretch 4 since Pop has this newfound small-ball fetish. 

    What are people’s thoughts on going after Kris Humphries?  He’s a decent, young player who might fill a need at the 4…

  • Lvmainman

    The Spurs inactivity is extremely puzzling. Last year with a great regular season and got bounced quite easily in the 1st round. Clearly, the team was made for the regular season and not the postseason. No defensive big or defensive wing player. Parker unable to make easy shots or stop Conley, Bonner/Blair getting abused by Darrell Arthur and Z-bo, Duncan unable to score on Gasol in the post.

    The Mavs were in the same situation last year and upgraded their team with the additions of Chandler, Butler, Stojakovic, and Cardinal. The type of skilled vets needed to win a championship. Of course, they had 7 players making $7 million dollars.

    The Spurs had a chance in 09 to parlay Mahinmi, Mason, Finley, Bonner and Bogans into a decent player like Corey Maggette, Stephen Jackson, or Gerald Wallace. They sat on the sidelines.

    Spurs seem to hoping for a 1st round playoff loss and hope for next year with cap space with Duncan’s $20 million gone and amnestying? Jefferson to put the payroll around $40 million with only 7 players (Ginobili, Parker, Leonard, Blair, Bonner, Anderson, Splitter).

    Then what?

    Can James Posey still play? Maybe the Spurs could sign him for this year.

  • Ltimpe

    I hope RJ comes out shooting and makes all these wanna be player/sportswriters eat their words.

  • Dr. McCoy

    Ltimpe, I think that this whole amnesty thingy will HOPFULLY motivate RJ to play like a man with something to prove. It kinda seems to me that the FO got RJ PO’ed by being the first person in the NBA to get amnestied. EVERYONE & their momma has heard or read that, so, I’m stinkin’ thinkin’ that RJ is gotta go out there & prove everyone wrong about him; that he’s a player that’s actually worth that 30 mil or so (cause he’s become the laughing stock of the NBA due to the fact that it has shown in his production, especially how he has disapeared in the playoffs, so his stock value has dropped like a rock! Oh yea! The word is on the streets that he has stunk it up at the Spurs, & RJ knows it, so he’s gotta raise his stock now for his future!). So, I’m hopin’ that this will work. What do they call this tactic? Oh, reverse psycology! Oh, NEWS FLASH! Josh Howard will be going to Utah, so, I think RJ WILL be staying this season. Hey look. This is a shortened season along with a shortened preseason. There is absolutely no time, really, to get a Josh Howard in here & expect him to learn the Spurs’ complex playbook & expect him to produce like he’s been here for 2 years now. It seems to me that the coaches think that chemistry will be important in this shortened season, so by keeping most of the team in tact, they will have a leg up on other teams who have signed mutiple or key positions. Now, on paper, I’m stinkin’ thinkin’ again that RJ SHOULD have his best year yet as a Spur, barring that he’s got somthing to prove with all of this amnesty stuff surrounding him. So, let’s sit back & let’s see what happens! GO SPURS GO!!!

  • grego

    The best guys out there were Dorrell Wright, James Jones, Ryan Gomes and Rasual Butler. As you read, the quality starts going from awesome to “OK” at best.  Dorrell was the best one and Spurs tried and failed. GS offered good money for him. 

  • grego

    (If he doesn’t ever get waived) This season + one more and then he’s a last year contract with a decent chunk to make in a trade to a team looking to shed some salary… 

  • Tim in Surrey

    The Spurs never had a chance to get Gerald Wallace for Mahinmi, Mason, Finley, Bonner, and Bogans. I wish you’d keep your discussions based in this universe, Lvmainman, not that alternate Bizarro one you’re following.

  • Anonymous

    RJ had to have been coming back before his opt-out, but I recall weeks of impassioned pleas in these very posts to go after Dorell Wright. The Spurs didn’t pursue Wright at all, who signed with a then failing franchise for nearly 1/3 what the Spurs paid RJ.

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny, I argued prior to both signings last summer, that in each case, bringing back RJ and Bonner was exactly that: “throwing good money after bad.”
    Sux to be right sometimes.

  • Bob

    I would have no problem with ’06 Josh Howard. He basically made it impossible to match up with them because we had to put Bowen on Nowitzki. That kind of forced us to play small or have Duncan/Mohammed guard Dirk. Our lack of having a good defender for Nowtizki and him killed us. Pop went with Finley in the starting lineup and that was the start of the Spurs trying to win with offense instead of defense.

  • Bob

    Exactly what I’ve been saying. He’s a more efficient scorer than the big 3 in terms of true shooting percentage. That’s part of why the team was doing pretty good when he was averaging 17+ ppg. They were getting him easy points. A good team wants to get as many easy points as possible and deny their opponent easy points. It’s basically what happened in the Grizzlies series. They got easy points in the paint and we struggled to score.

  • Bob

    The Spurs couldn’t have afforded Wright. There wouldn’t have been any cap space even if they didn’t resign Jefferson.

  • grego

    They did, but Wright went after the money, and rightly so, since he’s young and has time to focus on winning later. Spurs could not offer as much. 

  • BALLHOG

    Time to come out of denial.  Spurs did go after several free agent players.  Not one, but all of them snubbed the Spurs and signed with other clubs.  BUtler was understandable because he got nore $ elsewhere.  However, the fact remains that from the outside looking in, NBA players, especially the better players simply do not want to play for Greg Popovich.  I mean, who would?  Players have watched as Spurs brought in player after player and sat them on the end of the bench or sent them back and forth to the D Leauge.  Players like Mahinmi, Haislip, Ratliff, Novak (who is a better athlete, defender and rebounder than Bonner by far and can spread the floor just as well), Guys that could have contributed like Pops Mensah Bonsu and Malik Hairston.  I wont even mention Garrett Temple who I still cant begin to understand being released by the Spurs.

    Getting into this predicament didnt just happen.  We can track this all the way back to the release of Louis Scola for nothing.  Bringing in Mason and Bogans, refusing to release the underachieving Matt Bonner, and resigning Jefferson after he had opted out.

    In Jefferson’s defense, he was a productive player until he arrived in San Antonio.  Pop’s insistence on changing RJ’s game to fit his scheme has hurt RJ’s production.  Solution, get out of his way Pop, and just let the guy play his game.  Get over the ridiculousness of playing Blair at the 5 spot.  Move Duncan to the 5 spot.  His PF days are done, but in the 5 spot he extends his career and helps the team to improve,  Splitter is no NBA starter and Mcdyess is no 5.  Just as Hill was no point guard.

    Unfortunately, our Overseas player luck has run out, marquee NBA guys want no part of this coach, and the FO has stagnated, failing miserably in providing a viable supporting cast,  and has cost the current core Big Three their opportunity to get another ring.

    Until Spurs get new coach, new scouting team, and new GM, the outlook is bleak.

    The only players the Spurs will attract are players that have no other options.

    Just ask Carter, Butler, Howard, and Williams, who all snubbed the Spurs and signed with other clubs.

    On top of that, we didnt need any of them.  We have more than enough 6’5-6’6 players, some approaching 50, on this roster.  Weve needed front court help for years.  What do Spurs do to address the Front Court?  Sign TJ Ford!

    Gotta Love it! 

  • Anonymous

    Understand the frustration of some.  But a bevy of perimeter players (including Jefferson) could help in landing a quality young post player.

    RJ’s fiscal fiasco isn’t what hurt the Spurs last year.  As pointed out, he did hit the 3 on a consistent basis and to be fair to RJ…being asked to man the 4 spot simply wasn’t fair to him.

    That along with the news that the Nets amnestied Travis Outlaw may still spark an interest in pursuing yet another SF.  Speculating the Spurs might bid for Outlaw’s services, the Spurs would have to amnesty Jefferson to be qualified as a team under the cap to pursue Outlaw.  The Spurs were not in the position with the other FA’s they pursued to have to amnesty Jefferson until they found out if those other players would accept playing for the Spurs.

    I would be OK with signing Outlaw who would be a better 4 player than Jefferson if the Spurs continued to position their SF’s in that manner.  By the same token…if RJ is amnestied…the Nets could bid for his services and RJ goes back to where it all started for him and have one of the best assist PG’s in the game to set him up in Deron Williams.

    As far as big men.  The only option the Spurs have in acquiring one is via trade.  This trade I propose to you and others.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lg963z

    McGee has not been the happiest player on the Wizards team.  He goes back to his home town area of Flint which would relieve the Pistons of loosing Monroe.  Monroe comes to the Spurs solidifying the team’s weakness in the post.  Washington gets a proven scorer/3pt specialist in Neal (who happens to be from that area as well) and Blair who’d probably be ecstatic to playing back east where he is from.  Not to mention both player’s favorable salaries.

    Anyway.  Chimed in.  I used to post here as “Rob” but have been away for a while.  New cba…new name for me.  Good to read the posts and comments once more.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I really can’t blame RJ for what happened in the playoffs when Pop really messed with the line up and insisted on the  awesome Bonner/Blair dynamic tandem that they weren’t. I really hope this doesn’t repeat itself again. If it does call it tribute time for Timmy.

  • Chris

    Spurs will not amnesty RJ (before) the season.  They might afterwards if Duncan takes a decent paycut, and there’s a free agent out there they simply must have.

    I’ll defend the Spurs re-structuring of RJ’s contract.  It made his annually salary much more palatable, and helped keep the Spurs out of luxury territory.  At the time, Pop was working in the gym with RJ, and probably had a private deal that said if he opted out, they would re-sign him as they did.  If you recall, RJ started the year off GREAT, he was everything the Spurs needed in a starting SF, but then he regressed into the timid, unassertive, totally-lost-defensively guy we’ve come to know and loathe.  I think he’s a good guy to have around as you’re bringing Kawhi along; and what they could really use is a guy to light a fire under his ass occasionally (oh, Avery, where for art thou?!).  Like it or hate it, we are stuck with RJ for the time being.

  • manufan

    We could sign Nenad Krstic. He is not Dwight Howard but he could help.

  • RogoBarns

    Why doesn’t Duncan restructure his contract? He’s done it in the past to give the Spurs flexibility. He definitely has earned his $20M+ salary and then some but it just seems a little un-Duncan like.

  • Anonymous

    Humphries is looking to get paid.
    Outlaw? Outlaw is a good weapon in small ball situations, that’s about it. People like to think he’s clutch, but the fact is the guy is consistently one of the lowest IQ players you will ever see play.

    The time to extend the big 3′s window has come and gone. It required a legit defensive big. The window shut with resignings of Bonner and RJ. Travis Outlaw definitely isn’t gonna change that fact. Incidentally, niether would Kris Humphries.

    By the way, small ball may get it’s golden era just around the corner… Bosh has taken on the challenge of playing center, and LBJ is moving his game to the low post. James is one of the strongest players in the game, but has never been comfortable with contact. Using his body on offense may well make him learn to play more comfortably when being defended physically out on the perimeter as well. With a hungry LBJ, and Battier or Miller, they may dominate after all.

  • Tyler

    Travis Outlaw is definitely not the answer. I’d much rather give small ball minutes to Leonard or RJ.

  • Tyler

    Stephen Jackson demanded a trade after we picked up RJ. 

  • Anonymous

    Those numbers look scary for a small market team. Who would the
    Spurs trade RJ too and for who? Either way, it seems that the Spurs lose out.

  • Zain521

    corey brewer could have been an amazing signing for us, but he was traded to the nuggets for a 2nd round draft pick. We couldve given dallas that or even better. fail by the spurs.

  • Camshaftthegreat88

    3 years 15 mill?

  • Camshaftthegreat88

    Dallas wouldn’t have “given” us Brewer. They quickly signed him last year before we could and never even planned to use him.

  • Titletown99030507d

    What is Timmy worth next season anybody?

  • TD BestEVER

    8-10 million……… just really depends on what San Antonio can bring in…….. if no one he might just walk away

  • TD BestEVER

    they would have considering that they finally won it all last year and are no longer looking up to us……….. We indeed did FAIL on Brewer

  • TD BestEVER

    Would you tell your boss to take back some of the money he pays you……NO….plus there is no guarantee that we even get him some help with the restructuring

  • TD BestEVER

    The Spurs continue to disappoint……….. We need to trade Parker…….. That will allow RJ to return to form……Parker/Rj both NEED the ball to be effective(They have to play aggressive to contribute).  But how can RJ be aggressive when he is told to GO AND WAIT in the corner…….Trade TP with Anderson or Neal and get a young cheaper Big for SA……… This is what we should have done last year and can still do considering TP scored well last year and someone would still want him if we put in a draft pick or 2

  • Miggy

    I’ve been pondering the small market question or shall I say attraction issues when it comes to player movement. I think one other hardship to overcome in San Antonio is the Popovich equation. Small market combined with being pigeonholed by Popovich equals cerebral/championship aspirations only. Scary proposition, but I’m buying.

  • Cgonzo420

    C’mon, Ballhog. Are you serious? I don’t see ANY of the players you mentioned above contributing meaningful minutes on meaningful teams. Mahinmi, Haislip, Ratliff, Mensah Bonsu, Hairston, Temple? They are/were at the end of the bench for a reason. It’s not like they moved on to another team and are now productive players.

  • spursfanbayarea

    Sorry, but pistons are not giving up on monroe. He is a solid double double guy. good locker room presence and is only going to improve. Mcgee is talented but is a total knucklehead. Not to mention very poor offensive games. He is a poor mans tyson chandler. Maybe if package blair with jefferson and take back a toxic contract like charlie V or gorden. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine. We would have to give up 4 players, and pistons could amnesty jefferson and have 3 young pieces. We would get gorden and monroe. Or http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine. This way they get blair at a bargain, and cap space and get ride of a player that doesnt fit. We could also amnesty either player taken, but at this point we need any players that can contribute. 

  • Michaelowen042690

    Fransisco Elson on the cheap