San Antonio Spurs 94, Minnesota Timberwolves 91: The defense came through where the offense couldn’t

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AT&T CENTER — Tim Duncan stood on the defensive end of the floor as Tony Parker took the ball up court, looking to attack the reeling Minnesota Timberwolves’ defense.

Parker failed to get a basket and the ball went to Manu Ginobili. Ginobili took a look at the hoop and contemplated taking a shot, but thought better of it and dribbled the ball out to the perimeter to reset the offense. Duncan, still on the defensive end of the floor, threw his hands up in a bit of frustration and trudged up the floor.

It was another sluggish offensive possession full of them for the San Antonio Spurs in their 94-91 over Minnesota, and it was another missed chance to save their foundation’s knees in some small way.

The Spurs shot just 42.3% on the night and committed 17 turnovers, but were boosted by strong performances off the bench from Matt Bonner (11 points and a season-high nine rebounds), Gary Neal (13 points, 3-4 from the 3-point line) and Antonio McDyess (six points and eight rebounds). Ginobili led the Spurs with 21 points.

“[McDyess] did the best job of anybody on Kevin [Love],” Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich said after the game. Love finished with 18 points and 17 rebounds, but it took him 15 shots to get his 18 points.

Gary Neal scored eight points in the fourth quarter and hit two of his three 3-pointers to ignite a stagnant Spurs offense.

“Me being on the floor at the end of the game allows Manu, Tony and Tim more room to operate because on the scouting report, it says ‘Gary Neal’s a shooter, so you have to be aware of him,’ ” Neal said postgame.

But where the Spurs offense was struggling, the defense carried them. San Antonio held Minnesota to under 40% shooting on the night and just 35% from the 3-point line.

The officials allowed a lot of bumps and holds to go on Sunday night, making for not the most aesthetically-pleasing of games. But it did grant the Spurs free reign to be physical on the defensive end.

“We played poorly on the offensive end, but you have to give out guys credit for hanging in and continuing to play on the defensive end,” Coach Pop said.

Some other bullet points from San Antonio’s 31st win of the season:

  • Tony Parker played just 2:06 in the fourth quarter. He was benched by Coach Pop after failing to rotate over on defense and take a charge on Kevin Love. Parker and Pop exchanged words on the sideline after Parker came out of the game, but it didn’t appear to be anything out of the ordinary, just Pop expressing his displeasure with Parker’s decision.
  • I asked Matt Bonner after the game if he’s been placing a greater emphasis on crashing the offensive boards the last few games, specifically after his tip-dunk against the Mavericks a week and a half ago, but he told me it’s just been a case of happenstance. “It’s just a matter of when our team drives-and-kicks, it gets them rotating and they’re not matched up when the shot goes up.”
  • George Hill shot an awful 2-11 from the field against Minnesota, including all four of his 3-pointers, but he hit all seven of his free throws and finished with 11 points.
  • DeJuan Blair struggled against Minnesota’s Love and Darko Milicic, who are listed at 6’10” and 7’0″, respectively. Love and Milicic finished with 27 of the Timberwolves’ 50 rebounds. Blair played only about 13 minutes on the game and just four of those minutes were in the second half. He did grab five rebounds in those 13 minutes, though.
  • Coach Pop was asked pre-game how he felt about the scheduling that forces the Spurs to play the same team in two straight regular season games, as the Spurs play the Timberwolves again on Tuesday night, this time in Minnesota. “I hate doing it. I hate it. I always have, I always will. It’s hard to play a team twice and expect to get two wins. I think it’s difficult to do.”
  • SAinSLC

    Everyone,

    Can we please chill on Tiago as savior talk? Quit throwing Pop under the bus for not giving him 30 minutes a game. Splitter has talent, and he will get his chance.

    It’s well-chronicled that he missed training camp and didn’t get to spend much time with the team in pre-season. That hurts. Once the season kicks off and the team is traveling around the country, playing on consecutive nights, etc the amount of actual practices where Tiago could get some run and experience go way down.

    I, like everyone else, can’t wait until Splitter gets more acclimated, but I also think it would be foolish to expect him to just plug right in to our system (often considered one of the more difficult to grasp and especially master) without a training camp and extensive practice time.

    In a fairly recent interview I found on youtube (it’s in Spanish), Splitter mentions that the NBA game is so much faster, more physical and the players are much more athletic than what he was used to. His own words. He needs time to adjust to those things, get his body right so that he can handle the way the game is played and start to incorporate his game into the team concept. Here is the link to the video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoiaoIXKi7U

    As much as it sucks (and I want to see him playing a key role too), there’s no substitution for time, and that’s what he needs.

    Before everyone tears me a new one, I realize that in-game reps are a big part of that timetable. I would like to see him consistently getting 8-10 minutes, but as has been mentioned above, it’s not fair to ask the rest of the team to deal with his learning curve in-game just so he can get minutes. I think we can all agree that he’s not a transcendent enough talent to merit that kind of treatment from anyone, especially not on a team developing great chemistry, especially not from Pop.

    Thoughts?

  • Hobson13

    TD = BEST EVER
    January 10th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    You’re absolutely correct. I’ve been advocating a Randolph trade for months. There’s no reason he couldn’t play the PF position better than Blair, at least at this point. He is an excellent athlete who has a much better shot than Blair and he can block shots at a very high rate. There’s no way we could get this type of player late in the first round. I agree 100%.

  • SAinSLC

    The specific question and answer i linked to above happens at about the 40 sec mark to the 1 min 02 sec mark. And I rushed it, he corrected himself and said the league is more athletic, not more physical. My mistake.

  • Dr. Who

    @Bentley
    I hear what you’re saying. PER is a great stat. It’s also a stat that leads one to believe that the Spurs are abetter team with Bonner playing heavy minutes. I don’t know where Tiago’s game is nor where it should be. He flashes some great stuff and also looks like he’s a first year player. Best way to learn is with minutes on the court, but somethign is keeping him off. I think it’s the rodeo road trop or bust for Tiago. If he’s to be a part of this season, we’ll see some Tiago during the trip. After the trip, inserting him in the line up for heavy minutes will be a little too little a little too late. If he’s a ghost during the rodeo raod trip, I guess Pop plans to have Tiago factor into next season instead of this one.

    @TD=BE
    I know you’re a big trade supporter. I’d love to have a shot blocking athletic length big (huge supporter of it). I just don’t see it happening. Especially given the FO history. I think trades are pipe dreams at this point. Could be wrong, but I don’t see the FO shaking things up. Can’t see the Spurs letting go of a project (Blair) that is actually seeing minutes (see Pops Mensa, Haislip & Mahimi for “projects” with little PT); especially when the Spurs have the best record in the NBA. Personally I think our record is a bit inflated and personnel decisions shouldn’t be based on it; if you can imporve pull the trigger. However, we’ve been much worse recordwise in years past and made no trades Not saying we couldn’t use length, we sure could on the defensive end. but, I think if you’re waiting for a trade to go down, you’ll be waiting a few seasons. Sad but true. This has the makings of a very strange season. Never been so unsure of a first place Spurs team. No doubt we’ll be a different team in March/April but will it be good enough? I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. My hope is yes!

  • LPspursFan

    TD = BEST EVER…I didn’t check out the video, but I remember clearly my first introduction to Randolph; a Spurs game against Golden State where Randolph lit us up for 24 pts on 10-of-18 shooting, had 4 steals, 4 assists, a block and 16 rebs. (Ok, ok, I didn’t remember ALL those stats exactly so I went and looked up the game…2008-09, next-to-last game of our season, he played 45 minutes and Spurs won, 101-72)
    It was his first year in the league and I remember thinking, “This kid is gonna be the next coming of KG with a better jumper.”
    What has he done since?
    I’m not necessarily against bringing the guy into the fold and seeing what magic Pop and the Spurs system could work with him, but to think that it wouldn’t be a gamble is unwise. And while I really could care less about gambling away a No. 1 pick (generally around the 26th-30th pick) I don’t think I’d wanna gamble with DJB.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ jwalt

    “TD Best Ever, you look at some highlight and decide a guy can play? Oh my goodness.”

    We have more tape of him than we do of Splitter, and you are convinced that he is STUD….. Also you use +/- to determine that Bonner is Good……. +/- is and always will be overrated.

    “The last thing we need is an athletic dope to mess everything up. Remember the failed Drew Gooden experiment?”

    Drew Gooden ate Bonner/Blair alive this year and Randolph is way better than that now. As far as his focus, and drive. Also, its easy for young players to start of on the wrong foot when playing on a young team with other young immature stars(Ellis, Jackson, Davis). But on a Team full of vets with a HOF coach and Bigman to teach him the ropes, he will be like Stephen Jackson was here in SA. Model citizen and great on the court.

  • jwalt

    Best Ever, nice defense of your position.

    But I’ve never said Splitter is a stud, I’m lukewarm at best on him.

    Yes, I think +/- is important. Year in and year out Manu and Tim interchange as 1-2 on the spurs in this stat. Pretty good argument that it’s worth something, isn’t it? Or is that just a fluke and Manu and Tim aren’t that good?

    +/- is a tool, not the be all and end all, but a tool. How is it overrated? When Bonner plays, the team does well. If you are a Spur fan, don’t you want to see the team do well?

    And if you would rather have Drew Gooden (on his ninth team) on your team than Matt Bonner, then arguing with you is hopeless.

    Actually, when I wrote that when someone is on another team it’s easy to see his strengths and on yours you see all the weaknesses, Gooden is pretty much example number one. Or haven’t you noticed that he isn’t playing very much for Skiles already? (I know, he’s hurt now, but before he got hurt he was playing less and less).

  • jwalt

    And to further defend Bonner, this is not a one year thing.

    This year he is fourth in +/-, behind Manu, Tim, and George Hill.

    Last year he was third on the team, behind only Manu and Tim.

    And in the 2008-09 season, he was number one at +9.1.

    This is the third straight year that his playing time has meant success for the Spurs.

    And to repeat, it’s not his stats, but spreading the floor is worth it’s weight in gold in the NBA.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ jwalt

    “Why does Pop play Bonner a lot? Because he WANTS TO WIN, not look good.”

    “Or is that just a fluke and Manu and Tim aren’t that good?”

    So if playing Bonner means POP wants to win. Then does playing IndyG and RJ ( Both of whom are way BETTER basketball players) mean that POP wants to loose. Quit looking at box scores and learn to analyze the game.

    “And if you would rather have Drew Gooden (on his ninth team) on your team than Matt Bonner, then arguing with you is hopeless.”

    Who said I wanted Gooden - we have tried that and it failed. But to say that he didn’t abuse Bonner/Blair is just lying. He killed them - go look at his +/- for the game and I’m sure it’s better that Bonner’s for that game.

    I want Randolph on our team, not Gooden. And Yes I noticed that he and Maggette are not playing like they did last year. But those are the Bucks issues, I’m only worried about ours.

    We need a 3rd big that we can count on come post season that won’t get abused and allow sub par players to look like Franchise Players. And 1 that can help cover up our guards D on the wings.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @jwalt

    Also to claim that having Bonner space the floor is a legit argument. But on a team that has 4-5 good shooters it’s almost mute. Plus Bonner folds up like a cheap tent come post season. So why would you want that guy playing Big minutes. Look at his career averages in the Regular season from 3 - 0.413 and then look at his post season % - 0.318….. So ya we need him to space the floor, but only for 10 or so minutes a night. If he gets HOT, ride the hot hand. When he gets cold, pull him.

  • ThatBigGuy

    Here’s what Hollinger has to say about Randolph:

    “Yes, he’s still on the [Knicks] team, although you could forgive Knicks fans if they’d forgotten this detail over the past month or so. Randolph has a lot of skills, but what do you do with him? He can handle the ball very well for his size, but he’s not a point guard and he doesn’t shoot well enough or make good enough decisions to trust him to orchestrate. He’s an incredible shot-blocker, but his lack of strength and fuzzy focus don’t necessarily make him a plus at the defensive end.

    Between those shortcomings and a few brutal cameos, Randolph has been banished to the end of New York’s bench. He’s played only 105 minutes and shot just 28.6 percent. Randolph is only 21 and his physical skills remain impressive, so it’s likely he’ll be traded this year and allowed to develop further for a lottery team. Nonetheless, this season has been a significant step backward after two fairly promising campaigns in Golden State.”

    I’m on the fence with Randolph. During the time Jim Henderson got kicked out for his Blair shenanigans, I floated a Randolph for Blair trade. Since then, details about Randolph’s poor attitude have become more apparent and Blair’s play has improved from putrid to merely average for a 4th big.

    Half of me says “Stay away!” because of the attitude issues and the hope that Blair can shake the sophomore slump and be a consistent 10/10 guy. The other half of me believes that the Spurs culture would be a great place for Randolph to cultivate his prodigious potential.

    The real issue here is what do we give up for Randolph? I don’t mind parting with Blair, but he only earns half of what Randolph does ($918K vs $1.97 mil). That means we have to add a first round draft pick, which will probably be another late first rounder, worth about $1 mil. Is that worth it? Perhaps NY believes Blair is worth more than his salary, so they accept a Blair + 2nd rounder. That would be ideal for us. But the question remains: Does NY want Blair?

    All in all, we’re all just relative idiots compared to the FO. Not only are they better at basketball stuff than all of us combined, but they have all the information that we don’t. They know exactly why Splitter isn’t playing, why Blair isn’t producing like we hoped, why Randolph isn’t playing, and who else is on the trade block that we don’t even know about.

    I guess what I’m saying is that we can discuss all this until our fingers are raw, but it’s not going to affect the franchise. So let’s just cheer for the Silver and Black and trust that our championship winning FO has this all under control.

  • jwalt

    ThatBigGuy — thank you for being clarity in the stupid argument between myself and BestEver. And TD — I’ll take the most blame. But this team doesn’t need any high maintenance players, they are trying to win a championship.

    Believe it or not, I’m not a big Bonner fan. He can be as dumb as a rock. He can’t defend the post. But his shooting pct. is not all that important if he can successfully bring a post player away from the rim. Having a Garnett or Gasol taken away from the basket area is a whole lot better than making a Pierce or Kobe worry about a 3 point shooter. So he is not superflous. (I’m analyzing here).

  • Dr. Who

    @TD=BE
    “All in all, we’re all just relative idiots compared to the FO. Not only are they better at basketball stuff than all of us combined, but they have all the information that we don’t.”

    True dat. And that’s why we’re posting to a blog during our day jobs :)

    BTW, to previous Bonner posters…. it’s been noted for years now that Bonner is a PER beast. While I accept he spreads the floor, if his PER is so outstanding why isn’t he a starter? We tried that last year and he got torched by starters. A stretch 4 off the bench against 2nd unit bigs is his place (plus as a situational player to spread the floor on certain sets). Let’s not make him out to be more or less than what he really is. If he went down I seriously doubt the team would be in dire straights. Didnt’ he go down last year? The team survived without him. Who would you rather lose for the season/playoffs Bonner or Dyess? Losing Dyess would have a geater impact. He did a helluva job of Dirk last year. While Bonner would pull KG out on the permiter to play defense, we’d also have to double KG because he’d have a field day with Bonner on him. Dyess has a pick an pop for some spacing and plays much better D than Bonner. That isn’t taken into account with his PER. I’m not a Bonner basher, but I take exception to saying playing Bonner is a large part of why we win. I simply don’t beleive that to be true. For a 3 point shooter at his height, we do have him at a nice salary; I believe his role on any team is as a bench stretch 4 that can shoot the 3. We should also note his PER stats in the regular season vs. the playoffs. The playoffs have not been kind to “Dan Bonner.”

  • TD = BEST EVER

    Hey I just read that the T-Wolves are after Randolph as well….. WE have to make a move before they do. The latest Rumor……
    ” The Knicks are apparently open to giving up Randolph for Luke Ridnour or a first-round pick. However, they won’t do the deal for Sebastian Telfair. The highly talented Randolph has appeared for spot minutes in just 13 games all season for the Knicks.”

    Luke Ridnour or a 1st rounder!!!!! What!! We have to be able to pony up that for a guy that can/will be out 4th most talented player the minute the trade is accepted.

    But I will also play Devils advocate - there are always desperate teams out there - so if it doesn’t pan out in a year or so - trade him to adesperate team for a early 2 rounder. Late 1st - early 2nd is where we are gonna draft anyway.

  • Daniel T

    TD=B.E.

    You wrote:
    “And should be able to be had for 1 young prospect(Blair) and a 1st round draft pick.”

    I don’t believe that works since there is over a million $ difference in their salaries. The Spurs would need to add someone else to the mix (trade exceptions cannot be combined with players).

    Of course, once you get Randolph you have to consider that he has missed all of training camp and beyond with the Spurs, and that his playing time so far has been less than Tiago.

  • jwalt

    One of the big reasons that the Spurs have been so successful year after year is that Pop doesn’t suffer fools.

    Nothing I’ve heard about Randolph indicates that he is anything but.

    Minnesota sounds about right for him. Let him grow up while playing for a bad team. But don’t let him mess up the grown up mentality of the spurs.

    To quote Phil Jackson, you don’t win in this league with kids. One of the few things he has said that makes perfect sense.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ Daniel T

    “I don’t believe that works since there is over a million $ difference in their salaries. The Spurs would need to add someone else to the mix (trade exceptions cannot be combined with players).”

    Ya I know, i have tried it several times in “The Trade Machine” and it keeps failing….. but if you look at my previous post Ridnour makes 4 mil and The NY wants him. They would have to find a way to add in some nobodies to pull that off as well. So we may have to find a 3rd team to make it happen, but there are plenty of those out there.

    Also, I’m not saying that we have to make a trade. We still have another option. Insert Splitter into the starting line up now. That way we can see what we have against 1st team bigs. We already know what Bonner/Blair are gonna bring, and it ain’t much. So it’s not trade or bust….. Its Tiago time, trade, or bust…. LOL

  • Daniel T

    Did anyone else happen to notice that Bonner did a rather decent job in last night’s game? Once he got into the game he grabbed the next four rebounds, tipping one in over Love. The TWolves then decided to pull Love for the next few minutes and try Tolliver. I believe that nearly all of Bonner’s 9 rebounds came while Love was in, and that while Bonner was in Love had only about 4 of his 17 rebounds.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    OK folks here we go - Here is the trade

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

    Now I’m not a big Marvin Williams fan, but this could work. Williams is not a better scorer than RJ, but does rebound as well and play slightly better D….He is also younger and cheaper, and we can possibly trade him again later… Cleveland needs a SF……
    And before you say this will never work, let me say I already know, but if our FO wants him we can make it happen. And don’t give me that needs time in a system non-sense Neal didn’t need two years. RJ had to get used to being a 3rd option when he was used to being No.1 for the previous 3 years

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ Daniel T

    Bonner did play well….. I don’t know about who he or Love got their rebounds against, but he played well.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    My bad wrong link…….hehehehe - man playing GM is kinda fun.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=47etrd2

  • rob

    Love the passion. End the insanity.

  • Daniel T

    TD=B.E.:

    Seems hard to believe that it could be possible to decrease Minnesota’s win projection by 7 games.

  • Water Buffalo

    About Tiago and injury:

    “Sports injury research has taught us many things, some obvious, some not so obvious….(it) has also shown us interesting things about the rate of injury in players with prior injuries. For example, about half the players with ankle sprains had a prior sprain, and many of those re-injuries happened in the same season. The risk of a sprain increases dramatically in players with a prior sprain. The question is not so much if you’ll sprain that ankle again as much as it is when you will sprain that ankle again. Another important finding is that a major injury is often preceded by an incompletely rehabilitated minor injury—and that major injury doesn’t necessarily happen to the same body part that had the minor injury.” From the ‘Complete Guide to Soccer Fitness & Injury Prevention’ by Donald T. Kirkendall.

    Makes sense to let Tiago heal completely before throwing him to the wolves, or at least, before detouring his development with a major injury before the team finds out if he’s the future.

  • Tim in Surrey

    @TD = BEST EVER - Sigh. Again with the Randolph trades? OK, I’ll bite: First, I believe the Knicks can trade Randolph for Ridnour straight up because they’re under the salary cap. But it won’t happen, nor will any trade of Randolph for some time unless it involves the Nuggets. The Knicks are still hoping to trade for Carmelo Anthony and Denver wants at least one high draft pick. The Knicks claim to be able to add one any time they want, despite not having any of their own to trade. So it’s probably coming from a team that wants Randolph and has extra first round picks (e.g. Minnesota).

    I’ll say again what I’ve said before: I follow the SEC very closely, so I’ve probably been watching Randolph longer than anyone on this board (unless there’s an LSU fan lurking somewhere). And my take is that Anthony Randolph is Stromile Swift 2.0. Does he have the talent to be a star in the NBA? Yes, obviously. Will he be a star in the NBA? Not unless he undergoes a dramatic, Andre Agassi-style mental transformation. Could that happen? Certainly, but it’s unlikely and it isn’t the kind of thing that can happen mid-season. Besides, if Pop won’t play Tiago Splitter after 2+ months because he hasn’t yet learned the Spurs’ defense, what makes you think it will be any different with someone who can’t be bothered to learn enough defense to play for Mike D’Antoni and Don Nelson?

    He is undeniably talented, though. If you really want him on the Spurs, the thing to do, IMHO, is establish a good connection with him, wait a couple of years, and then trade for him when he’s about to bounce out of the league. That’s when putting him in Pop’s hands and immersing him in the Spurs’ culture would really have a chance of working.

  • DorieStreet

    @ SAinSLC

    1)No one claimed Tiago is a “savioir”. 2) No one is throwing Pop under the bus. The fanbase wonders what to make of this circumstance, in that Splitter is an accomplished player with years of experience in other professional leagues and international competition, and that our franchise selected him some time ago (3 1/2 seasons) in anticipation of him contributing once he arrived and joined the team. It particularly stands out given what has taken place in the last year-notable contracts were given to 2 of our ‘Core 3′ to ensure that they will remain together at least 2 years, to make a final playoff run (along with the newer additions & a revamped method/style). Most of us fans didn’t anticipate (for whatever reason) a prolonged adjustment by the long-awaited draft pick that we assume will have to contribute for the Spurs to be legitimate championship contenders.

  • Tim in Surrey

    @TD = BEST EVER - Oh, and nice work with the trade machine. You managed to make the Spurs six games worse without giving up any of their core players! Imagine what you could’ve done if you’d included, say, Manu for Eddy Curry: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4ojohua

    I’m sure the Knicks would go for that one…

  • DorieStreet

    @ TD = BEST EVER

    For an overall No. 2 pick in the 2005 draft, many fans believe Marvin Williams has underachieved as a Hawk. (I recall how ESPN’s Jay Bilas hyped him during North Carolina’s championship run that spring-saying the freshman’s upside is so tremendous, he was better than eventual No. 1 pick Andrew Bogut.) I believe Williams could be as good a scorer as RJ; he just gets lost in the mix most nights in the Atlanta offense. He can be just as explosive to the basket, too. And Marvin has a demeanor that fits right in with the Spurs.

    Got to give it to you TD=BE; you do your homework on the league. Your posts provides knowledge as well as opinion.

  • Nick

    I know this would be somewhat of a gamble and I’m not nearly ready to get rid of Tiago, but I’d be interested if the Spurs went after Greg Oden this summer. He has tremendous upside, is a class act and could still be a superstar in this league. Someone can knock some sense into me but as far as finding the next selfless superstar (other than maybe kevin durant), I think it’s Oden.

  • TD = Best EVER

    @ Tim in Surrey

    “First, I believe the Knicks can trade Randolph for Ridnour straight up because they’re under the salary cap. But it won’t happen, nor will any trade of Randolph for some time unless it involves the Nuggets. The Knicks are still hoping to trade for Carmelo Anthony and Denver wants at least one high draft pick.”

    Ridnour for Randolph doesn’t work…. I tried it a few time in the trade machine so a throw-in player would have to be included. And If you follow the NBA you would see that Melo is probably going to NJ Nets. They have the picks and Derrick Favors to give.

    “And my take is that Anthony Randolph is Stromile Swift 2.0.”

    I may have not followed him in college….. but when did Swift learn to shoot as well as Randolph can……. O ya he didn’t and still can’t shoot the 15-20 ft jumper.

    And as far as his attitude and not playing D…… when you are young and playing on a young team w/o veteran leadership and coaching… you tend to make poor choices. I’m sure you noticed that GS traded a lot of their players, so it wasn’t just Randolph. And as far as minutes… With his talent/ceiling (which is way higher than what we have on our bench now) he would get minutes and would be the exact type of player that the team can build around….. We need a STUD to take over after Timmy/Manu is gone. TP will be 32 and a few steps slower.

    And Finally as far as making us worse….. that’s BS….. from what we have gained - ALOT better D….. we would be just fine overall… and much better suited for the playoffs, come late April/May

  • Tyler

    Damn you ESPN trade machine!

    Blair = a known quantity - a young, solid role player at worst

    Randolph = an unknown quantity that while undeniably talented, has been nothing more than a fringe rotation player in any of his first 2-1/2 seasons

    From a risk/reward perspective, based on what they’ve done in the past, this isn’t likely a deal the Spurs would pursue. Put it this way, the RJ deal is about as risky as it has gotten over the last decade, and even then we only gave up older players who were on expiring contracts.

    Personally, I wouldn’t do the deal either. Not only do I have some serious questions about Randolph’s work ethic, the Spurs would be taking on $6M more over the course of the next 3 seasons (including the qualifying offer).

    I’m with you Nick. I might be getting ahead of myself, but Oden with the midlevel this offseason (if the midlevel still exists in the new CBA)? That might be something I can get behind….4 years, $20M (just a few more dollars than we gave to Bonner)?

  • Tyler

    * Spurs would be taking on about $5M over the next 2 seasons (including the qualifying offer).

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ Tyler

    “Blair = a known quantity – a young, solid role player at worst”

    If we are 100% honest with ourselves we have to believe that Blair will ALWAYS be a role player. His career season will look something like 13.8 and 8 per game. And Splitter 15 and 7 He will always be short and his Offensive game will improve, but not to the level of a K-Love, Boozer, Elton Brand and other undersized PF. They pretty much all had a jumper from their rookie year… They just expanded their range and other shots. Blair still has a long way to go on shooting the jumper.

  • TD = BEST EVER

    Also, I forgot to mention. Blair is really gonna have to add a “face up / off the dribble game”.

    But back to Randolph - he has all the skills and as far as his attitude. He is young(22 i think) And he has played on 2 young teams without VETERAN leadership! Amare is the only true Vet on NY and he has had his issues as well.

    These players seem to always find there way and start tearing up the league eventually - Let’s for once get some of that talent before its too late.

  • Tyler

    @TD

    I agree on how Blair projects as a player. I think he ends up as a solid role player on a very good team, whether that means starting or coming off the bench.

    However, like I said, based on deals in the past, this isn’t likely a deal the Spurs’ FO would pursue. Trading Blair for a riskier and more expensive project goes against precedent. Look at the two most “risky” moves over the last decade - RJ and Ian. In both cases, we gave up very little - role players at the end of their career and a late first round pick that we stashed overseas for a year (s) then brought over to play in Austin. However, out of those two deals and your proposed deal, we’re giving up the most in the Randolph deal. Based on precedent, that strikes me as too much risk.

    “These players seem to always find there way and start tearing up the league eventually – Let’s for once get some of that talent before its too late.”

    I would strongly disagree. For every young, long athlete with question marks that figures it out (ex Lamar Odom), there’s a dozen that flame out (ex the immortal Keith Closs).

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ Tyler and everyone else on the board - WE GOT LUCKY and got TIMMY…… David got hurt and missed like 50 games or something Stupid…… The only chance we got of getting an “impact player” of Randolph caliber is to just tank for an entire year, or PRAY that god fuses Blair attitude and hustle into Splitters body. So how do all of you plan on winning after Timmy is gone. Who will be the rock we build upon. All we have now are good role players and a few Possible 2 or 3 time ALL Stars. That’s not gonna get you anymore wins than The T-Wolves are gonna win this year (35 maybe) Randolph can take that 35 win team and pull them up into the 50’s and give them title hope. Let’s hope the FO isn’t going to sit around and hope to get lucky again, and that they actively go out and find that guy.

  • rob

    @ Tyler

    Spot on.