Shaq in silver and black?

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Could Shaq join Tim Duncan on the Spurs in a quest for a fifth ring?

AOL Fanhouse’s Chris Tomasson has published a report saying that Shaquille O’Neal’s goal is to play two more seasons, and the team he is targeting is your San Antonio Spurs.

He’d really like to go to San Antonio and team with Timmy (Duncan), and try to win one more title,” said the source about O’Neal, who starred in high school in San Antonio.

Spurs general manager R.C. Buford declined comment.

The source said O’Neal, 38, plans to play two more seasons and then retire. He wants there to be a farewell tour in 2011-12, which he expects would be his 20th and final NBA season.

“He wants to sign a two-year deal,” the source said about O’Neal, who made $21 million last season with Cleveland. “And then the second year will be a farewell tour. He can tell a team that you would sell out all 41 games (that season).”

The story states that there is interest on both sides, from Shaq’s camp and the Spurs front office. But the kicker here is that Shaq is reportedly willing to play for San Antonio for the midlevel exception.

But wait, wasn’t the midlevel exception supposed to go to Tiago Splitter?

Well, yes. The latest on the Splitter situation is that the Spurs have yet to offer the Brazilian a contract. But with the cap figure finalized just last night, and today being the first day that teams can officially sign players to contracts, there’s little rush. The Spurs have exclusive rights to Splitter, they don’t have to worry about another team swooping in and offering him more money. The only deadline they have is a reported July 15 deadline for Splitter to complete a buyout from his Spanish team.

San Antonio’s interest in Shaq is somewhat baffling. Outside of Phil Jackson and Mark Cuban, there has been no greater villain for San Antonio Spurs fans than Shaquille O’Neal.

I’m skeptical that RC Buford and co. have plans to add Shaq to the frontcourt rotation. For a team whose pick-and-roll defense led to its demise this past season, adding O’Neal doesn’t help. At all.

One possibility in this is Tiago Splitter’s camp is looking for the full midlevel exception, while the Spurs front office is only willing to part with a portion of that. Showing interest in signing Shaq to the midlevel may be San Antonio’s way of putting pressure on Splitter and his agent to lower their expectations.

The next few days will tell if San Antonio’s interest in Shaq is genuine, or just jostling for position in negotiations with Splitter. But I think one thing’s for certain, Spurs fans would rather have a 25-year-old Spanish league MVP in Splitter than a 38-year-old Shaq looking for one last ring and a “farewell tour.”

  • Simon

    If you ignore the outside elements (like personality and the “coin” he would generate) and look at it in how it effects the way the Spurs actually play basketball – it is without a doubt, a horrible idea. Our biggest problem last year was pick and roll defence, with O’Neal it would only get worse. If Splitter was already a Spur, it would be worth considering, as he’s not its isn’t worth considering.

  • ldhl89

    Our biggest problem last year was pick and roll defence, with O’Neal it would only get worse

    I agree in a particular way

    The pick & roll didnt kill the spurs agains phoenix. Actually The bench of the phoenix kill the spurs

    First Sign Splitter For a good salarie
    Then look for shaq for the minimum salarie. The idea of shaq is to stop Howard and Bynum

  • ldhl89

    Just Think
    Who is the only player that can dunk on D. Howard? Shaq
    Who is the only player with Hi IQ that can stop Bynum? Shaq

    Sign Splitter First because he is the future
    Then look for shaq

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    July 8th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    Excellent post!

    este
    July 8th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    “I’m amazed at Lebron’s decision. He and Wade do not compliment each other they duplicate each others skills.”

    Exactly! Well put.

    “If Lebron was going to leave Cleveland then the Bulls would have made more sense especially after adding Boozer.”

    IF LeBron truly wants to win, you’re exactly right. If LeBron’s not going to stay loyal & accept the challenge to persevere in Cleveland, how can he not want to play as the SG in this lineup:

    Rose
    James
    Deng
    Boozer
    Noah

    How, I ask you? Plus, they have Gibson as well, and would still have about 8 mil. in cap space to fill out their roster with a couple decent role players & and a few vet minimum players.

    este
    July 8th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    @Lenneezz

    “He folded in game 6 in the East semi’s. ”

    “27 pts., 19 Rebs., 10 assists- Yeah he really folded!”

    Yeah, but you have to remember, he almost had a quadruple double that game — NINE turnovers! That is completely unacceptable from a superstar player in a big game. Having an off shooting night would be one thing, but having that many turnovers is ridiculous. It was like watching the Keystone Cops with the ball. That’s got to be the worst triple double that I’ve ever scene. LeBron was clearly part of what blew that game. And I don’t care about his stat line. He sucked, they sucked, and they lost!

    Hobson13
    July 8th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    idahospur
    July 8th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    “The amount of players who remain true to a lousy team are very few indeed.”

    “Surely you aren’t referring to the Cavs of the past few years. They won 60+ games in the past two seasons and got to the finals four years ago. Lebron wanted Shaq. They got him Shaq. Lebron wanted Antawn. They got him Antawn. Lebron wanted a BJ so they did that. They’ve been smooching his ringless arse for the past 7 years. As much as some love to bitch that Lebron had no help, it is simply not true. Mo Williams, Jamison, Shaq, and Varejao are all good players. For those that watched Lebrons last playoff games, it became evident that he quit.”

    Couldn’t agree more, Hobson. Way to tell it like it is!

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    bigtee34
    July 8th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    “@ este
    actually turning the ball over 6 times in the last two minutes and having 9 turnovers in game 6 is kinda the definition of “folding” you played a great game and shot 8-21 to get your stats but when it mattered you made bad decisions. oh and game 5 he went 3-14 and had 6 to’s so yeah he quit.”

    Exactly, bigtree!

    Lenneezz
    July 8th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    You have the LeBron issued pegged. Nice job.

  • td4life

    Llennezz,

    I only smoke the best crack.
    And when I’m loaded I think about what a fun city Chicago is, and how they have created not just winning teams, but dominant and exciting teams in many sports and in many decades. Even when I am really tweaked out of my mind I still think how truly shitty the Browns were last year, and what a bum stroke of luck Colt McCoy got, and I start to wonder if this good crack high must be some kinda crystal meth. Cleveland’ll do that to a high.

    Hey, maybe things will turn around for the “Mistake by the Lake” and Dan Gilbert is right, that Bron’s taking the Cleveland Curse with him. That’d be friggin’ great.

    I ain’t no Lebron fan, and will never root for any Heat team. Now these boys get to figure out if it’s just really fun to play together, or what it means to pound that rock and discover something within themselves as yet undeveloped. Still a steep, indomitable mountain to climb to become a champion, except now they have a fighting chance, and Pat Riley on their side. I root against them, for sure. But nobody is a bigger jerk than Bryant. If LBJ is Mussolini, KB is the Hitler. Do I respect Hitler more? No and never. And I’d know that even if I were sober.

    He ain’t the first player to leave a playoff team, so what. He ain’t no Manu. Praise Manu, he’s a Jedi, man. That makes him a saint and a hero. I’m just glad David persuaded Timmy to stick around.

  • Tim in Surrey

    About the Heat, let’s all remember that James, Wade, and Bosh all signed up for five years together, not just one. The first year might have its problems, but by adding players each year through things like the LLE and MLE (which are supplemented through increased marketability, Florida’s lack of an income tax, South Beach, and Miami’s excellent organization) they could be really tough. And, by the way, did you notice some of those players they picked up in the draft? Varnado and Pittman could be really tough. (Surrounding Pittman with those three, coached by Spoelstra, and managed by Riley, really maximizes the chance that he’ll tap some of that considerable talent.) Varnado in particular would pair nicely with Bosh.

    Additionally, they’ll have Chalmers at PG. He’s not great but he’s not bad, especially as a complementary player. And I’m certain they’ll re-sign Haslem, who loves playing for the Heat. Now there’s a lot of talk that Miller will join them. Suddenly, that’s a pretty good lineup. All they need is a couple of muscular big men who don’t need the ball and a spare shooter interested in a ring. They don’t have much to offer in the way of salary, but there are plenty of guys who fit those descriptions who would do it for a shot at a championship and a slice of the Holy Trinity’s marketing pie. Wouldn’t you?

    About the Spurs, I’m dubious about the whole Shaq thing. But I actually think they’re still in pretty good shape to bring back Jefferson, especially now that NJ, Miami, and Minnesota are out of the SF market. It’s difficult to see RJ leaving the Spurs for the Clippers or the Knicks at this stage. So regardless of what happens in Miami, I still basically see the Spurs as a similar team to last year, with Bonner and Jefferson at lower cost, minus Bogans, Mason, and Mahinmi, plus Splitter and Anderson. If they can find a cheap, serviceable PF/C to play some defense and a wing player to play some defense and hit a couple of shots, they could be very good. If not, though, they’ll simply be good. Considering they’re trying to do the impossible–rebuilding while contending–that’s not bad.

  • td4life

    “If LeBron’s not going to stay loyal & accept the challenge to persevere in Cleveland, how can he not want to play as the SG in this lineup:

    Rose
    James
    Deng
    Boozer
    Noah”

    Yep, this decision by LeBron shows he’ll make a typical nba-star-turned-GM someday.

    But what if Wade and Lebron do play well off each other, now that they each have someone to pass to, and feed them in the lane? Maybe they’ll even groom some young talents into solid role players, as they have promised? Not by year one, but then again, I’m not necessarily thinking the Bulls are ever going to dominate the East really.

    But the whole “loyalty” backlash thing has been blown out of proportion.

    J Johnson is wanker for robbing his team and calling it loyalty, when we all know better.
    Nash and Nowitzki are honorable fools for taking less money to play for chaotic organizations, because it means more.
    Nobody faults Bosh for leaving his team. Or for not going to Cleveland.
    Dwayne Wade? Did he just pull off a Paul Pierce, or did he blackmail his F.O. a la Kobe Bryant?

    This Top Trio of guys are smarter than Carmelo, they negotiated opt-out clauses, whereas KG, Gary The Glove, Bryant and countless others just whined and asked for or demanded to be traded throughout the actual damn season.

    If Lebron just disqualified himself from being the best in the game, as some posters argue. And Chris Paul is disqualified because his franchise can’t build a team properly, then I guess it’s down to Kevin Durant. That guy dominates the ball, but is one heck of nice kid, committed team leader, and has the right GM hooking him up. Too bad for Super Sonics fans.

  • TradeTP

    LeBron is a dick and this move simply made Kobe look like MJ#2.

    Here are things Lebron didnt think about when making his decision.

    1. If Titles make you the player then WADE will always be better than Lebron. So really LeBron can never be “the best.”

    2. If/when Kobe beats Miami in the finals it will lock him up as GOAT.

    3. Chicago was the place to go to “win multiples.”

    I find Lebron to be a huge piece of shit. He shows no loyalty or respect for himself. Hes a cry-baby and a quitter. There could have been a totally different way to go about this situation, but he had to parade it around and rub it in everyones face.

    Its too bad he has to be such a pussy. I was almost rooting for him to be “the best.”

  • Tim in Surrey

    Oh, and about LeBron and Wade duplicating each other’s skills–yes, of course. That’s why it’s a potential NIGHTMARE.

    Let’s all remember, the only way NBA teams could stop Wade was by swarming him and leaving the likes of Beasley or Haslem to make them pay. Even so, Miami still won more than they lost. But now Wade is the number two option! And Bosh is number three! The fact that they duplicate each other’s skills–when the skills in question are those needed to shred any NBA defensive scheme–is exactly the problem.

    How the hell are you going to stop them now? Seriously. Explain to me exactly how to stop LeBron James when he has the ball, with Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade to pass it to? (Not to mention Mike Miller spotting up in the corner for a three?) How are you going to stop a Wade/Bosh pick and roll, with LeBron James as the weak-side option? Who’s going to guard Chris Bosh? Your PF? Too slow. Your SF? He already needs help with James. Do you close out with your PF and rotate your C? Oops, you just left two of the five best players in the world single covered. Like I said, this could be a NIGHTMARE.

    The problem for Miami is going to be on the defensive end. They are going to have a very hard time handling players like Howard, Duncan, Yao, Bogut, and Garnett. And then there’s that front line in LA (along with Bryant and Artest, who are probably already relishing the chance to guard Wade and James). That’s why Miami is probably going to have some defensive struggles, especially in slower games. But they’ll adjust. Spoelstra’s very smart.

    And also… Pat Riley has been planning for something like this for, literally, decades. Remember who his point guard in LA was? Riley hasn’t been been able to find a strong, quick 6’8″ ball handler since Magic retired. Until now. And this guy knows exactly what to do with one. Late in Magic’s days in LA, Riley talked about his dream of fielding a team of five 6’8″ players, who could all shoot, dribble, pass, rebound, and defend. He got pretty close with Magic (6’8″), Byron Scott (6’5″), Michael Cooper (6’6″), James Worthy (6’9″), A.C. Green (6’9″), and Mychal Thompson (6’10″) as his main guys. They were all long, quick, versatile, strong enough to hold their own, and each capable of playing at least two positions (or five, in Magic’s case). In many ways, Chicago’s best teams (with Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, and Rodman) were similar, with a more emphasis on quickness and less on muscle. Wade, of course, isn’t quite as tall as the LA or Chicago wing players. But his wingspan, strength, and athleticism allow him to play more like a 6’6″ player. (Remember how many blocked shots and rebounds he gets?) With Wade, James, Bosh, Miller, and Haslem, Miami already has the basic ingredients for a Riley-style dream team. If Varnado pans out, that’s another one. Personally, I think they’re going to be very, very good, especially after a year or two.

  • TradeTP

    I agree with you Tim about the duplication thing. A physical defensive team would beat these guys though. None of them like contact and play like girls for the most part. Get some mean dudes, I know its almost impossible in this day and age with the queens that are produced on the court, and they fold.

    Lebron is a choke artist, and Bosh has done nothing. These girls just want the attention

  • Tim in Surrey

    TradeTP,

    Point taken. You have to admit, though, that Wade likes contact. :) It’s revealing that the other two went to HIS team. Wade will be the real leader of the Heat.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    “But the whole “loyalty” backlash thing has been blown out of proportion.”

    Nah, it’s simple really.

    A marriage made in heaven turns
    into a divorce made in hell.

    It was a dream fit. High school hero gets drafted #1 by his local NBA team. Ced team is starved for a championship. Finals appearance, 66 wins, 61 wins, 2 MVP trophies. Desperate fans thinking “This is it, we are so close” and then BANG it’s over.

  • Jim Henderson

    TradeTP
    July 9th, 2010 at 1:57 am

    I agree with your post about LeBron.

    Tim in Surrey
    July 9th, 2010 at 2:02 am

    “With Wade, James, Bosh, Miller, and Haslem, Miami already has the basic ingredients for a Riley-style dream team. If Varnado pans out, that’s another one.”

    They don’t have Miller, and they don’t have Haslem, and they literally can’t afford both & still legally fill out their roster to the minimum number of players required. Neither Miller nor Haslem are going to play for less than 5-6 million per year. Miami’s only about 12 million under the cap right now with the max contracts of the HUGE three in place. Varnado is a nice looking LATE 1st round pick, but he’s a long ways off from being a successful & dependable NBA player (if he EVER gets there). Pittman was always considered one of the biggest projects in the draft, and was projected by most to go late in the 2nd round. Again, he has some talent, but he’s a long ways from being even a player deep in their rotation (if he ever gets there). No, I wouldn’t get too excited about the Heat becoming a great team, winning the title, or even winning the East. As it stands right now, the Lakers would kick their ass. You think they have anyone to stop Gasol? Bynum? I don’t think so. And the Lakers actually have a solid supporting cast, an awesome defender in Artest, and others who have played together for several years (Fisher, Odom, etc.). The Heat have a LONG ways to go to get close to that as a TEAM. Plus, the whole attitude the HUGE three had during this free agency season was disgusting. TOO narcissistic, NO character. A team’s leaders have to have character & true grit to be able to lead a stable of relatively low-salaried players to a title. I really don’t think their stars really have what it takes in this regard. Just for example, look at LeBron’s performance in the playoffs with the Cavs this year. He tanked, and I swear it was deliberate. He did not play like a superstar. He probably already had his mind made up that he wanted to leave Cleveland. He’s afraid of failure. Not a good sign. I don’t think Bosh has ever won a playoff series. And D-Wade, had the most dominant center of at least the past 15-20 years on his team in 2006, a solid supporting cast, and they beat a perennial playoff choker: the Mavs.

    And this is the closest by far that we’ve ever come to “buying” a title, if they ever win one. That is NOT good for professional basketball, and it makes large markets even more dominant than they already are.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    The East is now the power conference.

    Who woulda thunk it?

  • Jim Henderson

    Tim in Surrey
    July 9th, 2010 at 2:45 am

    “It’s revealing that the other two went to HIS team. Wade will be the real leader of the Heat.”

    If they all really wanted to play together (which appears to be the case), whose team could they have possibly gone to other than Wades? The Heat had the most cap space in the entire league to support all their fat ego’s, ..er… I mean, contracts.

  • Jim Henderson

    Lenneezz
    July 9th, 2010 at 3:09 am

    “The East is now the power conference.”

    I wouldn’t say that. The Lakers are still the champs, and are likely to three-peat. Plus, the West is still deeper.

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Lenneezz

    So, now that the Knicks got (stole) Randolph, Azubuwke and Turiaf from GS. I think there might be a possible trade for Tony.

    I could see Gali/Azubuike, Douglas/Walker & Turiaf. I don’t see Randolph going anywhere. Ny really has three or even four shooting forwards now.

    Of course, Turiaf would eliminate any chance for the Big Thinker.

  • BigJ

    I wonder about Shaq’s Spurs aspirations: maybe he wants to join an orginization that does things right? To join players who give their best and don’t quit on each other.

    The way things ended in Cleveland this year had to leave a bad taste for Shaq. Take it or leave it Shaq was a part of that team, that set of moments which will be remembered. He wasn’t the team leader but given all of his Shaqness and proclaimations to help deliver a championship to Cleveland, he certainly appeared humbled by James’ lack of leadership during the Celtics series. He looked like a regular person caught up in the runaway train that LeBron was steering.

    If I was involved in a poor situation like that I would seek out that which works versus that which does not.

  • Tim in Surrey

    Jim,

    First of all, Miami already HAS Miller, thanks to the trade exception they got from Minnesota. It hasn’t been officially announced, but there are reports on multiple sites about it. It’s 5 years for $30 million, which is just about exactly what Beasley’s trade exception would get you. As for Haslem, it’s not a done deal but I expect it soon. Haslem has long publicly stated how much he wants to remain with the Heat and play with Wade. Plus there is some indication that the three FAs would take less money if it would help bring in a few players. They only said they were signing with the Heat, not that they were signing for the max. Wade at least has publicly said that it’s not about maximizing money, implying that they would take a bit less money if it helped the team. You add the extra room from the salary cap to a proportional sacrifice from each of the big three and you probably have enough to keep Haslem where he would really rather be in the first place.

    As for the rest of your post, first of all I’m not excited about the Heat, one way or another. And if you’ll re-read what I wrote, you are only echoing what I already said about the Lakers. Hell, with Splitter along they’ll have a tough time stopping the Spurs. They’ll also have problems with Orlando, Chicago, Boston, Portland, Houston, and several other teams with quality big men. But then again, how are any of those teams going to guard Miami? Sure, they can’t stop Dwight Howard. But do you really think Vince Carter, Matt Barnes (or whomever), and Rashard Lewis can guard Wade, LeBron, and Bosh? Please. Really only LA has a good answer, with Kobe on Wade, Artest on LeBron, and Gasol or Odom on Bosh, with Bynum to help out. So for the short term, Miami will be very tough on offense but vulnerable to interior scoring on defense. But that will change as they add players.

    As for the whole “team” thing? Says who? These guys have ALREADY played together as a team, quite effectively. And they liked it so much, they arranged to do it in the NBA and not just in the Olympics. If Bosh and James had stayed where they were, they would’ve a) made as much or more money, b) been treated like heroes simply for staying put, and c) continued NOT to win championships. As it is, both are gambling their money and their public images so that they can play together and have a shot at a title. Is it really that ego-centric? Or was Joe Johnson the selfless one, taking as much money as possible and wrecking the future of his team in the process?

    Let’s remember that NONE of these guys volunteered to join their original teams. The NBA uses its monopoly to force players to sign with the team that drafts them. Why do we feel a sense of betrayal when they leave those teams? Certainly LeBron was immature in the way he handled it–particularly in comparison to Durant. But all this talk about betrayal is absurd. Frankly, if I had the choice between staying in Cleveland with the hopes of an entire state perpetually on my shoulders versus moving to South Florida and playing with my friends, for a little less money, frankly I might choose Miami too. I just wouldn’t do it on TV after two months of public deliberating.

  • Tim in Surrey

    BTW, the Clippers are signing Ryan Gomes and Randy Foye, so they’re unlikely to be in the market for Jefferson. New Jersey got Outlaw, Miami got Miller, and New York may be getting half of the Warriors. (And according to the Express-News, they were never interested anyway: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/decision_made_spurs_plans_for_roster_can_move_forward_98087024.html?showFullArticle=y).

    I’m not sure who will bid against San Antonio for him now, other than possibly Utah (who got a $13 million trade exception by signing-and-trading Boozer to Chicago). So it’s looking more and more like Jefferson will be back.

  • td4life

    “And this is the closest by far that we’ve ever come to “buying” a title, if they ever win one. That is NOT good for professional basketball, and it makes large markets even more dominant than they already are.”

    That’s all very true. But it is the future. The Lakers and others have their blueprint for all their future dynasties. The greatest challenge to such big-market dream teams are gonna be the occasional group of several great talents drafted in subsequent years, or in both rounds, by a top-notch GM, probably with a first-time head coach who is equally gifted. A.k.a., OKC. NJ, with Pritchard on board, maybe a cross between the two, though they are a big market. Towns like Indianapolis and Cleveland, and organizations like the Hawks are just as screwed as they ever were. Life just got a lot harder for Detroit Pistons fans. The Spurs went 23 years before raising a trophy. How long will it be until the next one?

    The best case scenario is that this talented trio never wins a single title. Thankfully, Orlando gave that absurd contract to R Lewis, I’d hate to sit back and watch Chris Paul and Carmelo go sign there.

  • td4life

    There is an outside chance that the Warriors, Magic, and Cavs might bid on RJ.
    But the way things are shaping up around the league, the Spurs have the thinnest SF depth of anybody.

    I don’t know what was arranged behind the scenes, if anything, or if RJ was just hedging against the next CBA and betting on the ultimate free agent summer. But someone posted earlier that the Spurs should pull a “Boozer in reverse” on RJ, AND THEY SHOULD! The down-side is any potential trade value would decrease even more. But RJ isn’t worth much more than $6M, if that, and the Spurs shouldn’t pay one nickle more than market value.

    I mean if RJ made a bad decision, so what. It wouldn’t be the first time (last summer’s wedding debacle, for one, which also cost him some coin). Heck if they want to be really nice, the Spurs can offer him huge bonus incentives for each title we win with him in the fold, maybe then he’ll play with real commitment.

  • bduran

    Jim,

    “I disagree. In the final analysis, this is a TEAM game, so unless the HUGE three are willing to each play for about 10-12 million, the HEAT have a MASSIVE challenge on their hands to assemble (afford) a TEAM of 13 players that are good enough as a group to defeat the best teams around the NBA.”

    It is a team game, but I it’s well established that most of the production comes from a teams top 1-3 players. Miami has the best top 3 of anyone, so of course they need less from the rest than anyone else. Unless you disagree those 3 are the best top 3? That’s a different argument. Also, you cares about 13 players? They need to worry about the top 6 or 7. The truth is, if one of their big 3 gets hurt in the playoffs, who cares how deep they are. They put all their eggs in that basket. If all 3 are healthy, then they don’t need to be that deep.

    Also, I believe that they’ll catch something of a break because players will be willing to play for somewhat less to join the hype. Lots of top teams have taken advantage of this over the years, including the Spurs. I believe they have made themselves the number 1 destination team. I think they can add a couple of decent players with the MLE and LLE (do they have this?) and fill the rest out with resigns and guys coming for the vet min.

    One last thing, why is everyone so anti Lebron? I agree that it’s worse for basketball that Lebron is going to Miami. However, would we critize someone for moving to a fun job somewhere else? I’ve always thought that people should spend some time living in another place for awhile. However, we expect Lebron to spend his whole life to Ohio? I would mind getting paid millions to play basketball with my friends in Miami.

    I know he likes attention and hype, but I think the media is more concerned with his legacy than he is. He is not Michael Jordan, he does not have his mentality. When he gets into the HOF he will probably not give a bitter speech despite being declared the GOAT. Why is this a bad thing?

  • bduran

    Oops, of course they dont’ have the MLE, LLE this season. They were way under :). Next season though.

    Also, it looks like Mike Miller is signing with them.

  • Este

    @bigtee34

    “my friend is from elyria ohio and his heart was broke when LBJ quit last year.”

    Well he won’t have to worry about that happening next yr.

  • TradeTP

    Bduran-

    LeBron is a dick because it goes against everything a true FIGHTER or COMPETITOR would do. He will never be considered GOAT. Only some punk ass kid who ran when things werent going good.

    Its not about moving. Its about what LeBron said he was, and turned out to be. Pussy.

    I think people want their superstars to rise up to the occassion and fight. As we see now, and have seen the last (couple) playoffs LeBron is nothing more than a quitter. My second favorite team is WHOEVER PLAYS MIAMI.

    Trade Parker to NY for GS players.

  • ITGuy

    Go Spurs Go!!

  • quincyscott

    Don’t forget that Wade had Shaq when he won a championship. Nobody does it without help.

    I do not begrudge Lebron James’ decision to go to Miami. But the way he went about it was truly foolish. He should spend a little of his money to hire some handlers to talk him out of making stupid decisions like this. Before yesterday, there may have been plenty of fans who would root against James, but there probably weren’t too many fans who hated him. Now, he is hated, deeply, by a lot of fans in Ohio, and will be forever. That’s his home, too. He will never be able to go home without being booed. People in his home town are burning his jersey. Is all that really worth a stupid one hour publicity stunt?

    If Duncan had left for Orlando way back when, he would have done so with class and dignity. I know this, because even as a young guy, Duncan had character. We have been very lucky in San Antonio, not only to have talented guys, but guys that we don’t mind having our sons and daughters look up to. If Tim had left then, Spurs fans would have been very disappointed, but we would have wished him well. James is now a villain in Cleveland, and I’m sure even a lot of people who don’t root for the Cavs have soured on him. I know I have.

    Maybe he came from a rough environment, and maybe he got too famous too fast, and maybe he has never had to grow up, and maybe he is surrounded by an entourage that does nothing but stroke his ego. It’s probably all true, and I do want to take those factors into account. Still, he’s twenty-five years old now, and by now he should be a little wiser. At some point, James needs to grow up a little bit.

    Yes, it’s a business. Loyalty comes in a distant second, and that’s the way it has to be. After all, a team will trade away a player in a heartbeat to improve its chances or its finances. Fine. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to go about things, and the respect for the fans who support you should also be considered. James failed on so many levels last night. Even if he wins ten rings, he will not earn my respect as a man.

  • Manu

    Guys let’s face it! It used to take 2 superstars to win a championship! Nowadays it takes 3 superstars and great supporting cast.
    I am not opposed to Shaq coming to the spurs, I think his size and experience in invaluable. I also don’t appreciate Tiago Splitter’s attitude towards the spurs. I really think he is overrated, and he is no franchise savor! I doubt that his addition will help contend with the Lakers!
    The good news is that the West is getting weaker and weaker and that means more rest for Timmy during the regular season. I am concerned about perimeter defense. I think that is more important and the big man on the pick and rolls! Our best perimeter defender is an undersized shooting guard (George), which can not guard everybody. I would try to lure in Raja Bell and make that my priority! I would give the MLE to Bell, he is a better offensive version of Bruce Bowen! Last season, we did not lose the series because of Pick & roll defense, if you remember Spurs did and excellent job of taking Amare and Steve’s pick & roll away. We just couldn’t make enough 3 pointers!
    we get a guy like Raja Bell and we will be just fine! Can we compete with the Lakers? Of course we can,It is Tony Parker’s contract year, we know he’ll be playing at a much higher level. Manu if not injured doesn’t age, and we know what Timmy is going to give us. We don’t need another star, just great role players!

  • DieHardSpur

    Now that Cleveland will be having a fire sale;

    Parker for Varajao and pieces???

  • http://mvgennero@yahoo.com mvg03

    “Parker for varejao and pieces???”
    I think its crazy how we all 4get how good Parker really is. Im not saying hes the best pg in the league but he is truly one of a kind. He finishes at the rim like other and alway shoots %50 and is a better passer/creator than people give him credit for. Fast as hell. there truly isnt a similar pg in the league. IF we trade TP we better get another ALL STAR!! 4get these trash package deals PLEASE

  • StreetBalla

    Now that Lebron has added ‘Deserter’ and ‘Frontrunner’ to the tags of ‘Quitter’ and ‘Poor Sport’ that he already had, let us go after Cleveland’s pieces if we can, without giving up Parker.Blood in the water…Time to be sharks. Even if it does sound callous. BTW, loved Dan Gilbert’s letter reeking with attitude…But if he really wanted to destroy Lebron’s image a kind, nice letter thanking him for everything he did to Cleveland over the last 7 years would have served better :)

  • StreetBalla

    Makes me thankful for TIMMY DUNCAN…the GOAT!!!

  • rj

    this is an utter abomination.

    lebron is a coward. rather than stand tall in his home state and fight off the 2 headed hydra of bosh and wade, he joined. pure cowardice. this wonderful for the NBA, but terrible for competitve sport. if lebron was good enough on his own, he would have titles already. anyone remember when tim duncan got us passed the lakers with a young tony p and a rookie manu ginobili? lebron had an ample supporting cast this year, but is a leadership lacking, self-indulging narcissit that couldn’t be depended on to carry a team when it mattered most.

    lebron is an ignorant, classes slob of a human being. miami will be a reincarnation of sodom and gamorra.

    if their is any justice in this world, this experiment will fail miserably.

    but this is just basketball..

    i hope the spurs don’t panic themselves into signing shaq and we can allow ourselves to rebuild without big band miami in mind.

    i really hate this. as a fan of competitive sports, i am utterly appauled

  • Hobson13

    This may get interesting with Richard Jefferson.
    Miami is no longer an option
    Chicago doesn’t need him with Deng
    NY doesn’t need him with their recent trades
    The Clippers just signed Ryan Gomes
    The Nets signed Travis Outlaw
    Minny just used up their cap space with the Beasley trade

    The only places I could see him going are Cleveland and Golden State. Perhaps we will simply resign him for less money. I don’t think that either the Cavs or W’s have any pieces we would want unless we just get a trade exception in return for him.

  • bduran

    Hobson13,

    “Perhaps we will simply resign him for less money. I don’t think that either the Cavs or W’s have any pieces we would want unless we just get a trade exception in return for him.”

    I’d be fine with either. The fewer options he has the cheaper we can get him and with our cap space it’s not like we have a lot of SF options.

    Also, since he’s not that good, I’d take a trade exception. I’m starting to feel better about the RJ situation. Now if only we’d hear something on Splitter.

    On a side note, I saw on True Hoop that all the stat geeks are predicting wins in the low to mid 60s for the Miami Big 3 and a bunch of scrubs. This will be interesting to watch. A lot of the media is saying 3 great player aren’t enough with out decent role players and the stat guys are saying they are. I guess we’ll see who’s right unless, of course, Miami makes some more Mike Miller esque signings. Then it won’t exactly be a bunch of scrubs.

  • rj

    i wouldn’t be surprised if mahinmi ends up on miami. miami? mahinmi? if been his biggest fan, but if he goes over there, i’m burning my homemade #28 jersey (i don’t have a homemade #28 jersey)

  • Este

    Please Miami sign Matt Bonner. Pat Riley you will love him he could be your new Kurt Rambis.

  • Tyler

    Why are we so intent on a S&T with Jefferson? Unless he brings back several young, cheap prospects and/or draft picks, a large trade exception or a bonafide All-Star, why not simply let him walk and save the tax money? At some point, we need to get his salary off the books and now is that time.

    At this point in their careers, in order for the young guys to get better (Malik, Gee, Temple, Jerrels) they need to be in an NBA setting, either playing or getting evaluated by those that make the player personel decisions. Sending them back down to the D-League will probably only make them marginally better (you don’t get a whole lot better by playing with/against guys who are on your level or inferior; the improvement comes when you play with/against guys who are better than you), whereas in an NBA setting day in day out, they’ll be afforded the opportunty to get drastically better. We’ve spent a lot of time and money developing talent in Austin. At some point, we need to figure out if it is worth it. Sink or swim time.

    If I was making the decision, I’d let RJ go and replace them with a combination of Anderson, Hairston, Gee, and Temple. Based on RJ’s production last year, and the production of the young guys in the D-League and the NBA last season, I think as a unit, they can more than make up for the loss of RJ.

    The last thing I would want to do is a S&T for another long term, guaranteed contract for a marginal player. And based on the fact that acquiring an All-Star for RJ probably isn’t in the cards, I think it wise to choose the cheapest option, while also getting younger.

  • senorglory

    I want Tim to finish with more rings than Shaq, so Shaq can’t be on our squad when we win the next two.

  • lvmainman

    I don’t understand the doubt of the Heat being able to compete for a championship.

    After Lebron on the Cavs, who could help him win? Mo Williams? please, Jamison? no way, Varejo? a role player. It is easier to get a championship with stars and then add role players. The Spurs have done that for a decade with the big 3.

    Role players are a dime a dozen. That’s why Travis Fisher playing along Shaq was made to seem like a superstar (see the free agent contract he signed with the Celtics at the time).

    Heat have Mike Miller, Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Shaun Livingston and plenty more hungry players looking to join. Maybe even Shaq.

    I’ll be surprised if the Heat don’t eventually win a championship.

  • ThatBigGuy

    How do you stop Miami now? Zone defense. LeBron and Wade can’t shoot the 3 ball. Pack it in, be physical with Bosh and take him out of the game, then let LeBron and Wade shoot 3′s all night. There’s no way they can win more than 45 games that way.

  • bigtee34

    Miami has already sold out season tickets. They were 15th in ticket sales last year.

  • http://mysa.com TiMVP

    So I heard from a friend about a quote that was said by Coach Pop. I think t went something like this I…. ” I Can’t get you much money but I can guarantee a championship”. Did Pop really say this and who was this directed to? Also, is there somewhere I can read about it or see the video?

  • BigJ

    Watching all this crap go down over the last day sure makes me glad to be a Spurs fan. What a great team, a great star in TD and a great orginization.

    One of the best reads on this mess http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmddE3QcJVWok.xuRYYlgXq8vLYF?slug=aw-lebrondecision070910

  • Jim Henderson

    Tim in Surrey
    July 9th, 2010 at 4:21 am

    Let’s put it this way, I don’t call what LeBron did “immature”. I call it a “fear of failure”, I call it “selfish” (he’ll have plenty of tax advantages in Florida), I call it “narcissistic”, I call it “heartless” (his “Truman Show” number), and I call it exploiting and brandishing a pathetic trend in professional basketball, which if continued, could end up corrupting the entire league.

    As far as salaries, all three of them have been promised MAX contracts, which means the Heat have to dedicate close to 23 mil. per year to each player over the next 6 years. That will inevitably crowd out other talented players that simply won’t play for a salary considerably under their market value to play with three megalomaniacs. Nobody knows yet how the deals will be structured, but even if they’re back-loaded to some extent, the Heat have just 58 million to deal with this season. The Heat basically got rid of Beasley to open up an additional 4-5 million to sign other players, but my understanding is that “trade exceptions” can only be used to acquire other players through trade that are already under contract, and cannot be used to sign other free agents.

    Thus, as an example, if the HUGE three agree to play for 15 mil. each in year one, Miller is paid 6 million, and Chalmers is collecting the 1 million called for under his contract, that leaves just 6 million to sign at least 8 players. If they have a trade exception in the Beasley deal, as you claim, then they can use that to trade for another player that has a contract at the value of the trade exemption or lower at any time over the next year. Either way, Miami could be in a salary cap mess for awhile, particularly with the new CBA on the horizon. Too much stardom can be overrated, and ultimately backfire.

    Anyway, I say good luck fielding a “real” team (not really!).

  • Jim Henderson

    Tim in Surrey
    July 9th, 2010 at 4:28 am

    I’m not discounting your general point in this post, but that article you cited was quoting Matt Bonner’s agent as its main source. Not what I would call an objective source.

    td4life
    July 9th, 2010 at 4:42 am

    “That’s all very true. But it is the future.”

    No, we ALL make our own futures. The future is not indelibly carved into a stone pallet. The league needs to come together and make appropriate changes in the CBA to get a grip on all this nonsense. It’s going to ruin the sport.

    “The best case scenario is that this talented trio never wins a single title.”

    Yes, that would set a good precedent.

    “There is an outside chance that the Warriors, Magic, and Cavs might bid on RJ.”

    I agree.

    “But RJ isn’t worth much more than $6M, if that, and the Spurs shouldn’t pay one nickle more than market value.”

    Agreed.

    “It is a team game, but I it’s well established that most of the production comes from a teams top 1-3 players.”

    “Production” is not all she wrote when it comes to winning championships. For example, many of the role players during the Spur championship years were simply irreplaceable (e.g., Horry, Bowen, etc.), and these were teams whose production was dominated by a handful of players (e.g., TD, TP, Manu, Admiral, S. Jax).

    “They need to worry about the top 6 or 7.”

    No, they need to “worry” about at least the top 8-9. You HAVE to factor in injury issues, etc. You have to account for bad luck as much as possible. It’s part of how teams end up persevering to a championship.

    “Also, I believe that they’ll catch something of a break because players will be willing to play for somewhat less to join the hype.”

    Who wants to play under-market value with a trio of megalomaniacs? Do we all want the easy, bought & paid for way to a supposed title opportunity? Have we really turned into a league of sycophants and enablers just to get a shot at the limelight?

    “I think they can add a couple of decent players with the MLE and LLE (do they have this?) and fill the rest out with resigns and guys coming for the vet min.”

    No, teams under the cap DO NOT have MLE or LLE’s. They are likely to have about 6 million to sign players 6 through 13, with the standard minimum being about 600k for a young 2nd round or undrafted player with no real NBA experience, and 1.4 million for an older mostly washed up vet.

    “One last thing, why is everyone so anti Lebron? I agree that it’s worse for basketball that Lebron is going to Miami. However, would we critize someone for moving to a fun job somewhere else? I’ve always thought that people should spend some time living in another place for awhile. However, we expect Lebron to spend his whole life to Ohio? I would mind getting paid millions to play basketball with my friends in Miami.”

    I guess moral relativism has finally taken over our culture. Your comment is to far out their for me to explain any further.

  • Jim Henderson

    TradeTP
    July 9th, 2010 at 7:32 am

    “My second favorite team is WHOEVER PLAYS MIAMI.”

    I laughed at that one TradeTp. Nice one!

  • Jim Henderson

    DieHardSpur
    July 9th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    Now that Cleveland will be having a fire sale;

    Parker for Varajao and pieces???

    Well, I don’t know, but Cleveland should be one of the teams that we’re looking at for trade partners.

    Hobson13
    July 9th, 2010 at 9:00 am

    “The only places I could see him going are Cleveland and Golden State.”

    Perhaps Orlando is a possibility as well.

    bduran
    July 9th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    “On a side note, I saw on True Hoop that all the stat geeks are predicting wins in the low to mid 60s for the Miami Big 3 and a bunch of scrubs.”

    They obviously have NO idea what they’re talking about.

    “I guess we’ll see who’s right unless, of course, Miami makes some more Mike Miller esque signings. Then it won’t exactly be a bunch of scrubs.”

    They won’t have the money to.

  • Jim Henderson

    Tyler
    July 9th, 2010 at 9:44 am

    “Why are we so intent on a S&T with Jefferson? Unless he brings back several young, cheap prospects and/or draft picks, a large trade exception or a bonafide All-Star, why not simply let him walk and save the tax money?”

    I’m fine with letting him walk if I have to. But I would much prefer this part of what you said: “brings back several young, cheap prospects and/or draft picks, a large trade exception….” Otherwise we’re very likely to be even slightly worse than we were last year, which is not too appealing to me.

    “We’ve spent a lot of time and money developing talent in Austin. At some point, we need to figure out if it is worth it. Sink or swim time.”

    Apparently Pop doesn’t think they’re capable of being at least solid rotation players, based on their performances in various venues, and in various roles. Players don’t always get a chance to play a lot of NBA game time before player personnel decision is made. Thus, at this point, we appear to have two choices that make any sense: (1) starting playing them for more regular minutes in the 9-man rotation; or (2) waive them, or trade them. I’m not convinced that any of them offer enough to either start or be a main rotation player at the SG/SF spot, and in my view, we must upgrade at that position to have any chance at truly contending for the WCF championship. Thus, I’m more interested in making deals now for players that should clearly upgrade our roster, as opposed to making money-saving decisions as it pertains to RJ. He fits better with a number of other teams, and we still may be able to unload him in a sign & trade deal with teams like Cleveland, GSW, or Orlando. I just hope we can find the right suitor before too long.

    “The last thing I would want to do is a S&T for another long term, guaranteed contract for a marginal player.”

    Fine, but you seem resigned to the idea that there are only “marginal” players within our grasp through free agency and trade. I don’t believe that to be the case. And the SF by committee idea is not going to allow us to contend in the near-term, and probably not even in the long-term. It will allow us to essentially stand in place for too long under the guise of organic development. It is over-worrying about the owners money, and over-relying on “hope”, rather than taking an appropriate level of risk by engaging in a fully proactive approach.

    lvmainman
    July 9th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    “After Lebron on the Cavs, who could help him win? Mo Williams? please, Jamison? no way, Varejo? a role player.”

    Let me ask you a question: How the hell did that team win 127 games in the last 2 years? Don’t even feed into LeBron’s massive ego and suggest that their wins were mainly about him. I’m willing to bet that the Cavs win at least 45 games this year without LeBron, 50+ the second year. However great Kobe is, the Lakers would win 45+ games without him as well. The idea that “stars” are so great is ridiculous. It’s a TEAM sport. Cleveland comes nowhere close to winning those 127 games with LeBron, Dick, & Harry…. Let’s get real here. LeBron is a great player, but the hype over his value to a team winning, especially winning it all, is way too much. The same with Wade & Bosh. Stars AND very good “role” players are absolutely necessary to win a championship. Now that he has his “stars” next to him he better win, right? Don’t count on it. They’re a long ways away. The Lakers would still kick their ass, probably win in 5 or 6 games — as it stands right now, with the money they have left to sign a shooter (Miller, I guess), some 2nd rd. picks with no experience, and some washed-up vets. Good luck. This whole experiment will just prove how important and uncommon it is to have “key” role players to win a championship. Think of Horry, Bowen, Kerr, Barry, etc. Those guys don’t grow on trees, and they aren’t very cheap.

    “Role players are a dime a dozen.”

    NOT THE GOOD ONES THAT WIN YOU CHAMPIONSHIPS!

    “Jason Williams, Udonis Haslem, Shaun Livingston and plenty more hungry players looking to join. Maybe even Shaq.”

    Most of these players are not very good anymore due to age or injury, and most of them are not going to sign with the Heat.