Sources: Splitter, Spurs agree to terms

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Via Ticket 760:

Ticket 760 has learned that the San Antonio Spurs have reached a contract agreement with Tiago Splitter. He is expected to sign the deal on Monday. Terms of the deal have not been disclosed.

Well, it was about time this whole draft-and-stash strategy borne some fruit. As details emerge, we’ll continue to update you. We’ll also be along soon with further analysis on how Splitter’s long-awaited arrival affects the team’s ceiling next season.

Congratulations, Spurs fans. Despite having little-to-no financial flexibility, R.C. Buford and Co. were still able to acquire an impact player. Between Splitter and James Anderson, I think that this offseason, given expectations, has been a success.

  • micah

    I just want to agree with Hobson13 that any expectations of Splitter getting more than 20-25 min per, and averaging 10-8-1 is setting yourself up for disappointment. I would be ecstatic with those numbers and I also believe that he will be the best partner Duncan has had since #50. I think he will vastly improve our defense, and we can expect the baseline funneling defensive philosophy to actually work this season, as opposed to the last 2 which it hasn’t.

    Also has anyone heard about Wesley Matthews getting signed to an offer sheet by Portland?

    If so, all potential Jefferson replacements are fading fast. I know that the Ticket760 reported that the Spurs were going to sign Jefferson, but I was really hoping that they weren’t going to. However, now that Miller, Korver, Matthews, Wright, Morrow, Outlaw (most of those were way long-shots anyways because of $ reasons) are all (at least most likely) off the market, looks like Jefferson may be the best choice out there.

  • Jim Henderson

    rob
    July 10th, 2010 at 2:44 am

    “If you look at the current list of available wings through free agency…IMO Jefferson (if he plays better this season than last) is still in the top 6 of who’s left out there.”

    Perhaps, but we should be shooting to get younger, and in the top 3 or 4, that are either better defenders, shooters, or both:

    Morrow
    Childress
    Brewer
    Wright

    If not younger, at least try to get the guy who’s 5th active of all-time in 3-point %, and a gritty, tough-nosed defender: Raja Bell.

    “Though I’m not convinced the Knicks would do such a trade involving Turiaf without somehow getting size in return.”

    I’d be open to giving them McDyess.

    td4life
    July 10th, 2010 at 3:12 am

    Well said, and I concur.

    “The smart play the whole way through was to wait and work on Tiago. Now we get a top quality big for the MLE, a great new rookie to work in to the team, summer league to watch and a solid base to jump from.”

    Bushka
    July 10th, 2010 at 3:38 am

    Yeah, but it’s not enough to contend, unless EVERYTHING goes perfect, and much better than anyone could possibly expect.

    td4life
    July 10th, 2010 at 3:53 am

    “I’m not saying Morrow is the perfect player, he has loads of development ahead of him, especially defensively. But I wish all our guys were as committed to constant improvement as that kid has been.”

    I agree totally. I wouldn’t mind signing him at all. He’s such a great shooter, and is young enough to be coached into better performances on the defensive end. My only problem is that he’s really a lot like what we’re hoping Anderson becomes, a great outside shooter that can be trained to defend effectively.

    quincyscott
    July 10th, 2010 at 6:18 am

    “Until Duncan rides off into the sunset, or until some unforseen health issues greatly degrades any of the big three, I don’t see the Spurs front office making trades with these guys. And I think that’s the right decision.”

    No, that’s stupid, and it is exactly the mistake that the Celtics made in the early 90’s with keeping all three of Bird, McHale, & Parish, as they were just starting to hit the down-side of their great careers. The Celtics ended up being mediocre at best for more than a decade after they were all gone by the mid-nineties.

    “There is a risk here that it’s already over, that the three of them don’t have what it takes to get the job done with some added pieces like Splitter, Jefferson, Anderson, etc. But I would far rather the Spurs err on the side of caution.”

    It’s more than a risk, it’s a strong likelihood. You’ve heard all the famous cliches like, “no risk, no reward”. Well, there’s a fundamental element of truth to them. We “could” win without TP, if we made the rest of our team stronger in the process, and we can mitigate the risk by looking for budding young talent in the trade so that one is increasing the likelihood that future Spur teams will be more competitive.

    “As a historical example, think about the 90s Bulls. Did Jordan and Pippen have another championship or two left in the tank? We will never know.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by that?

    rj
    July 10th, 2010 at 6:31 am

    “if bonner doesn’t play, his shot doesn’t fall. i don’t understand moving bonner to the end of the bench and expecting him to be automatic from 3 when his number is called.”

    There’s some truth to that. That’s an additional reason why I wouldn’t have re-signed Bonner. We can’t afford to have him on the floor for too long because of his other liabilities, yet keeping off the floor too much takes him out of his shooting rhythm.

    Jacob
    July 10th, 2010 at 7:52 am

    “Secondly, would it be possible to nab Childress at this point through anything we’ve got? What about a respective sign and trade of Hairston, Mahinmi and Mason to the Hawks in exchange for him??”

    Dude, let’s be realistic, no team is going to want a team’s three lowest players on their totem pole for a legitimate starting wing. You have to give up something good to get something good.

    “Either way I believe, shaq or not, that we need another Wing defender with a 3 pointer. Hill, Manu, and Bonner are our only proven three right now…”

    We don’t need Shaq. We need a younger, defender/shot-blocker on the front line for just 12-15 mpg.: All of the following are still available, and technically within our reach for the LLE, or perhaps the vet minimum in some cases (e.g., Mbenga):

    L. Amundson
    J. Anthony
    J. Jeffries
    D Mbenga

    If we want to go older, for more short-term help, I’d rather consider Ben Wallace over Shaq. Wallace is a more mobile, fundamentally sound defender in the paint, and is a no nonsense, no distraction kind of guy, unlike Shaq, who would usher in Barnum & Bailey.

    As far as trades for another shot-blocker/defender, I’d like to somehow pick up D. Jordan from the Clippers. Perhaps the Clips would consider McDyess or Bonner & Mahinmi for Jordan, although it certainly looks like the Spurs FO is in love with Bonner, and thus we will not have room for a another defensive big unless we’re able to unload McDyess to somebody, for somebody worthwhile (it would probably have to be a package deal of some sort).

    We need to make a trade if we want another wing other than RJ, because none of the worthwhile wings that are still available are going to sign for the LLE, unless we’re EXTREMELY lucky. Here are the “worthwhile” wings that may be still within reach:

    Childress
    Morrow
    Brewer
    Wright
    Barnes
    Butler

  • Rey

    That’s it? Just a *bleep* announcement?

    What?

    Where was the media coverage? Where was the rumors that there are 50+ NBA teams (despite the 30-team line-up of the NBA), Euro League and those teams in China wanting to sign him? Where was the one-hour special I’ve already committed to skip work to be able to watch as he breaks the heart of his European team, while Timmy, Tony, Manu, Pops and the entire San Antonio party?

    Darn, that was disappointing.

    Seriously now, with the signing of Bonner, Jefferson and Splitter, I think that we’re all set for the next season. I honestly don’t think that we need to do another blockbuster trade. The several lineup changes last year, which included first-timer Spurs (including RJ and McDyess), have hurt us with their unfamiliarity with the system (RJ), rookie-ness (Blair) and ego (Haislip). Given a year to mature and get familiar with the system and each other – while weeding out the rest – I think this lineup’s a better team. Anderson hopefully is better than Mason and Splitter is a better starter than Bonner. That way, Duncan can concentrate on being a PF and RJ can be an SF. Manu and Blair would be great shots of energy coming from the bench. Tony is much healthier. Hill is more mature. The rest could be dying to prove their capabilities, so complacency is not expected.

    OK, now I’m excited. Aside from the Lakers (which I still Hate – with a capital “H”), I now have my once-favorite team, the Miami Sell-Outs, to boo. And I have the Spurs to continue lovin’.

    Can’t wait for next season. :-)

  • Hobson13

    lvmainman
    July 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    “Shaq will probably join the Heat again.”

    That wouldn’t surprise me. I challenge anyone to find a bigger front runner in the history of the NBA. He chased Wade in Miami, then when that situation went south, he ran to Phoenix because of Nash, Stoudamire, and co. Once he discovered he was too old, fat, and slow to play in the Suns uptempo game, he ran to Cleveland to “win a ring for the king.” He’s ridden the coat tails of Wade, Nash & Stat, and James in the past 4 years while attempting to chase a title. Now this summer he wanted to play with the Spurs (he must think we have a legitimate shot at a title…) and if that doesn’t work out, he wants to join the hype in Miami.

    I’m glad our FO won’t sign this fool. He’s torn up whatever “legacy” he has by not retiring 3 years ago. On a more positive note, I believe Matt Barnes could be had for cheap. Last year he made $1.7mil. We could give him our LLE plus whatever money is left from the MLE. I could see us being able to offer him a 3 year $10mil deal and he would jump on it. Barnes is a long, athletic defender and would be an excellent backup to RJ. In fact, Barnes could actually start over RJ.

  • quincyscott

    Jim Henderson:

    ‘“As a historical example, think about the 90s Bulls. Did Jordan and Pippen have another championship or two left in the tank? We will never know.”

    I’m not sure what you mean by that?’

    What I was referring to was the fact that the Bulls blew up that team immediately following a championship. Management and players might have put egos aside and continued a dynasty there, for at least a couple more years.

    I am not saying that we have a similar situation here, other than we have aging stars that may or may not have a championship left in them. Why blow it up before that window closes? With Parker, there is certainly a very real possibility that that window is already shut. Without him, I think it becomes a certainty, and you might as well start from scratch.

    I have acknowledged that this is not the only reasonable way to see this issue. I’d appreciate it if you’d refrain from calling my viewpoint “stupid.” Neither you, nor I, nor anybody else can peer into the future and see how these decisions will eventually play out. It’s a crap shoot, to a great extent. I do think the Spurs front office has earned a bit of credibility in making smart choices, with some impressive past success. I give them the benefit of the doubt.

  • mac

    you can’t combine cap exceptions = you can’t add the remainder of the MLE and the LLE together for one player

  • Jim Henderson

    bduran
    July 10th, 2010 at 8:09 am

    “Winning a championship isn’t just having the best players, it takes some luck as well. You do your best to manage risk but you can’t get rid of it.”

    I agree.

    “That’s why we sign Bonner.”

    That’s why we should not have signed Bonner. Bonner is ADDING to our risk of not contending for a championship, not mitigating the risk.

    mjs2377
    July 10th, 2010 at 8:35 am

    “I felt after last year we didnt have a problem scoring compared to years past but our Defense sucked. I felt all we really needed was interior defense. A SHOT Blocker.”

    Splitter can play some “D”, but he’s not a particularly good shot-blocker for a 7 footer. As our team is currently constructed, shot-blocking will still not be sufficient.

    spursfanbayarea
    July 10th, 2010 at 8:42 am

    “Not to mention all their players are under 30.”

    They only have FIVE players on the roster?!?

    “We have a two year window to win championships.”

    We’re not going to win a championship in the next two years without a meaningful trade, and without one, we’re also risking the possibility of several years of mediocrity beginning in the next few years.

    “But trying to build for the future to win championships is not in our cards.”

    That’s not true. It depends on what the FO actually ends up doing over the next two years.

    “Top talent players like duncan only come to small market teams if they win the lottery in the right year.”

    No, top talents like Duncan VERY RARELY materialize outside of tremendous luck in the draft lottery, “regardless of market size”. And rarely are those types of players traded during the prime of their career (e.g., KG comes to mind, but he was at the back-end of his prime years). Even in free agency, it’s MUCH more common for “franchise-type” players to stay with their original teams, unless their organization is not well-run, they haven’t been able to have success in becoming a solid playoff team, or if you’re someone like LeBron, who apparently has to try and piggy-back his way to getting a championship.

    “Top players know that to win championships you need multiple stars.”

    Generally the best way to get there is to have ONE “superstar”, TWO “stars”, and at least FOUR “special” role players. I doubt having TWO “superstars”, one “star”, and a half dozen or so of good to below average players is a winning recipe.

    “Players know that despite whatever numbers they have they wont be considered great without rings.”

    That is a misconception, which the league, the players, and the fans should be working hard to rectify, not encourage. There are many TREMENDOUS players out there, past & present, that have made the game GREAT over the years, and just happen to not have any rings: Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Nash, Kidd, Nowitski …. the list is endless. Why would we want to encourage that “it’s right” to define these players at a lower level than many of those who have won a ring. Are Michael Cooper, Steve Kerr, and Derek Fisher so great because they have FIVE rings? Getting a ring is as much about good fortune as it is a reflection of your greatness as a player. Believe me, and it should not be made into a stage for bragging rights. Let’s get some control of our egos here, and start thinking about what’s best for the game, not what’s best for an individual’s desire to experience a phony sense of glory.

    “Bye Bye to small market teams in the hunt for championships in the future.”

    It does not have to be a fait accompli, nor should any of us be so obliged if we really care about the “game”.

    Bentley
    July 10th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    “Miami might be able to add a few more pieces as the years go on, but they’ve really strained themselves and their cap space by signing close to three max contracts…….

    “I’m hoping that the Spurs do have one more move left, even with Splitter, we are noweher near competing for a championship. We need some perimeter defense. We need length, and sho-altering. And we need someone to be able to consistently knock down the 3 at a 40+% clip.”

    Exactly.

  • Jim Henderson

    td4life
    July 10th, 2010 at 11:11 am

    “Heading into the summer, in addition to the development of our young guys, I have been rooting for adding 4 key players to our rotation, perhaps as many as 3 starters: Splitter and another big + 2 wings.
    That’s how dramatic a change we need to really demonstrate that we are in win-now mode.”

    I’ve been with you on that.

    “So I am still hoping for that 3rd Big, or at least a guy that easily pushes Bonner down the bench another seat. And at least one more good wing.”

    So am I. Otherwise we could be sitting through yet another season knowing that we’re not going to be there at the end.

    Joe
    July 10th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “One thing I get a kick out of when I read any message board is how easy some fans seem to make dealing for other players is.”

    Any examples you’re referring to on this message board?

    philip fletcher
    July 10th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “Jimbo Henderson, you try to argue with everyone, but based strictly on numbers.”

    “The things I say are not set in stone so stop making an issue out of it.”

    For one, I don’t “try to argue with everyone”. And two, NONE of my points are “based STRICTLY on numbers”.

    Look, if someone is going to make a comment that is clearly delusional, I’m likely to make a comment that points that out. Try not to take it so personally, and instead, either ignore the comment or attempt to make a logical case as to why the comment is in fact realistic. But implying that Splitter could in any conceivable way even come close to 45-48 mpg. as a way to suggest that he could get 22 ppg. & 12 rpg. is not rational. ANYBODY would tell you that if they were honest.

    “People only say what they can reasonably see happening on the positive side.”

    Splitter at 22 & 12 is not the “postive side”, it’s pure fantasy. 16 & 9 would be EXTREMELY “positive”, but not impossible.

    Hobson13
    July 10th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “Splitter should be able to revive much of our old Twin Tower scheme that we perfected when Tim came to SA yet have been unsuccessful to reimplement since Robinson left”

    It could help, but the Admiral was a great shot-blocker. Splitter is not. So there will definitely be a difference. But he is likely to be better offensively than Nesterovic or Muhammed, though I’m not yet sure if he can outperform them defensively.

    “I sure wish we could use the remaining MLE along with the LLE to sign a good defensive wing like Ronnie Brewer.”

    Unfortunately, league rules prohibit combining the dollars available from both the MLE & LLE.

    Hobson, what do you think of my ideas for doing a deal with the Knicks.?

    See: Jim Henderson
    July 9th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Also, did you see my trade proposal with Orlando? I can’t remember if you saw that one.

    TP, RJ, & McDyess to Orlando for Nelson, Pietrus, & Gortat.

    Any thoughts?

    philip fletcher
    July 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    “There are several player averaging when necessary 45 to 48 minutes a game even for entire season.”

    Please name JUST ONE PLAYER THAT HAS AVERAGED 45-48 mpg. FOR THE SEASON, OUT OF ANY SEASON IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. Thanks.

    Playing 45 minutes in “a game now in then” is really meaningless to the discussion, but that said, I will guarantee you that, barring an amazing RASH of injuries, Splitter will NOT play ONE game this year in which he logs 45+ minutes.

  • Gary

    today was a good day

  • ldhl89

    I know its impossible but who can make a NBA Comparison?

  • Sam

    Anthony Morrow, Dorell Wright, J.J. Redick, Wesley Matthews, and Kyle Korver got signed. crap.

  • hobson13

    “Why not Walker (or Azubuike), Douglas, & Turiaf for Parker? Why not?!?!?”

    Jim, I would probably do this trade as long as we got back Azubuike. We would completely shore up our SF, PG, and C positions with young players. I’m sure NY would jump at an opportunity to do this.

    “TP, RJ, & McDyess to Orlando for Nelson, Pietrus, & Gortat.”

    At first glance, giving up RJ and Parker would be tough to swallow. However, after looking at the contracts of both both Gortat and Nelson, I think I would do this trade. Both are locked down for multiple years with cap friendly contracts. While none of the three Orlando players are superstars, they are all very good role players.

  • Bryan

    Well ifs all he is cracked up to be we have our future NOW!! GO SPURS GO!

  • Jim Henderson

    Rey
    July 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    “Seriously now, with the signing of Bonner, Jefferson and Splitter, I think that we’re all set for the next season.”

    Yeah, set for another early round exit from the playoffs. We’re marginally better now from last year with who we’ve got at this point. And that’s not enough to win the West.

    quincyscott
    July 10th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “What I was referring to was the fact that the Bulls blew up that team immediately following a championship. Management and players might have put egos aside and continued a dynasty there, for at least a couple more years.”

    Okay, but if you remember, Phil Jackson’s contract was expiring at the end of their 2nd three-peat (1998), and then there was the pending departures of Scottie Pippen (who stated his desire to be traded during the season) and there was Dennis Rodman (who would sign with the Los Angeles Lakers as a “free agent”), and also the league was in the latter stages of an owner-induced lockout of NBA players. Finally, Jordan retired for the second time on January 13, 1999. This turn of events was not really deliberate, or “ego” or owner-induced; I think these players just got burnt out (and they were all in their early to mid-thirties). Can you imagine how hard it is to accomplish TWO three-peat’s over a span of just 8 years?

    “With Parker, there is certainly a very real possibility that that window is already shut. Without him, I think it becomes a certainty, and you might as well start from scratch.”

    Well, that’s where I disagree. It depends on what we can get back for Parker, and the continued improvement of Hill.

    The point is, I’ve been a keen observer of the game for a long time. And this is a mistake that I see teams make periodically over the years. They get comfortable with their “star” players and get reticent to make a change, even when they know that their top players are now in decline. The Celtics had brilliant management team for decades, and made the mistake of holding onto their big three until the end. The Celtics never got past the 2nd round after 1988, when McHale, Bird, & Parrish were 30, 31, & 34, respectively. If they had traded McHale for some nice young talent while he still had significant value, they may very well have avoided a subsequent stretch of seven years with NO playoff appearances, and more than a decade of failing to get back to a shot at the ECF’s (which they lost in 2002).

    A football example that shows the opposite decision being made, involved the SF 49er’s, when they traded their beloved star QB, Joe Montana, to the KC Chiefs 1n 1993. They had a talented back-up QB at the time that people knew had talent, but to trade what many believed was the best QB of all time to let Steve Young take over at the time was considered almost blasphemous in many circles. Though still quite effective, Montana was getting older (about 35), and the Niner’s thought it was time to move on. Young came in and led the Niner’s to a Superbowl victory in his first year at the helm. I know it’s not a totally analogous example, but the point is, sometimes it makes sense to let go of “attachments” for the benefit of the franchise.

    The “stupid” comment was not really directed at you. I was referring more to the FO. They’ve been very good over the years, I just think they’re making a mistake here by holding onto the big three til death do us part. And because I’ve seen this type of thing happen before, I sometimes let out some frustration about it. Nothing personal, and my comments were not meant to offend.

  • hobson13

    Here’s my thinking on what the front office has (and hasn’t) done so far this summer: It’s become clear to me that Pop is attempting to construct a Frankenstein team: A team that has older, veteran players adding the know-how and championship pedigree with the younger segment of the team adding the athleticism and positive upside.

    We have veteran players like Duncan, Parker, Manu, McDyess, Bonner (unfortunately), and Jefferson (probably) mixed with a strong contingency of younger players. For those on the outside who think the Spurs are too old, they should take a closer look. Hill, Blair, Splitter, Anderson, Temple, and probably Hairston (perhaps Gee instead) will be in the lineup this next year. All of these players range from 21-25 yrs old. The youth movement in San Antonio is now underway in full force.

    At this point, with so many good free agents already signed for next year, I don’t see the front office making a huge move. As of now, we have only the LLE left and that won’t fetch a quality player in this crazy market. I had fully expected a huge trade several weeks ago, but think our opportunities have past. I am beginning to see this team in the same light as the 2003 squad. That year we had a young Parker, Manu, and Jackson along with an aging core of Steve Kerr, David Robinson and a few others. Here is what I believe the front office wishes to see this next season from each young player.

    Jefferson: Ok, he’s not young, but I do think that he will have a much better year. Let’s face it, he can’t do much worse than he did last year.

    Parker: He’ll have a hell of a year. He should be healthy and certainly motivated in a contract year. I think he can return to being a top 4 PG.

    Hill and Blair: The FO sees Hill taking another step forward and Blair taking a large LEAP forward. Much will depend on these two.

    Splitter: He can come in and make an immediate impact. He could be in the running for Rookie of the Year if he gets 28-30 min/game. IMO, Splitter, Hill, and Blair are the keys to how far we go next year. We know what the big 3 can produce. We aren’t sure what these 3 can really do. If they are studs, we may have a very special team. If they are duds, see last years results.

    Anderson: I’ve heard many compare him to James Harding (Jim, I think you suggested we trade Manu for Harding at one point. This should make you happy) From what I’ve read, seen, and heard, Anderson is a straight up scorer. He is a mature player so I think he may be able to come in this season and backup Manu, but he should be very good in a year or two from now.

    Temple and Hairston: These guys will simply fill out our lineup. I’m not sure we should expect much from them, but if others excel, we may not need them to be stars. I will say that a 6’6″ PG could be a very unique weapon if Temple can mature and improve. Hairston needs work on his shooting, which will limit his impact on a game.

    This season, while we will not initially (if ever) be as good as the Lakers, Celtics, or Magic, we have a younger team that will take time to learn. I anticipate a slow start. I will say that I think we have much more upside than those teams due to the fact that we simply have more young talent than those three teams. Much will depend on whether our younger players grow and Pop is able to turn this Frankenstein into monster or it simply turns out to be a messy disaster.

  • Hoopster

    Been awhile since I have posted, but alot has transpired and will weigh in on some of it as it pertains to the Spurs.
    First as far as trading TP, as i was crucified for even suggesting this in the past season, if we do not trade him he walks and we will be further away from a ring then we are now. Anyone that thinks he will not take Eva and go to NY or another big market after next season are being very naive. So simply do we try to get something or nothing is what it boils down too. Bottom line I expect TP to have a great season( Contract year & no French team play) which will help drive his stock up even if he is a year older. We will not be able to afford him and he leaves for nothing.
    The analogy of keeping stars too long can definitely apply to us as well as it did to the 90’s Celtics. Although the Celtics had some seriously bad luck that kept them from staying on top as well(Len Bias OD/1986) & (Reggie Lewis death/ 1993). Of course at that point they should have traded Mchale for pieces to try to stay in contention. Similar to our TP situation.
    Resigning Bonner was like a kick in the balls. He does not bring to the table what we need, but because he is familiar with our system and Pop trusts him he was resigned. For those of you that do not think he will play good minutes you are dilusional. The minute one of the young guys makes a mistake on ‘D’ or not running the right play on ‘O’ Bonner will be playing because Pop trusts him!

  • micah

    As much as I appreciate speculation and conjecture about how teams and players will perform in the upcoming NBA season, we have to remember that its still all guess work, especially with the Spurs.

    While I may not be a “keen observer” I think it should be fairly common knowledge that last season was extremely fragmented and disjointed for the Spurs. With all the injuries to key players and the integration of new players into major roles, it is hard to judge this team’s performance overall last season much less predict future performance and achievement off such a fractured season.

    With that said I would like to inject myself into the “pro-Bonner” camp, and say that I believe that was a good signing for the Spurs. Notwithstanding JimHenderson’s vehement belief that Bonner makes the Spurs worse, I think that for the past two seasons he played out of role, and with the addition of Splitter, Bonner will be asked to do less and will produce more. Also, the Spurs offense runs most efficiently when the floor is adequately spread, this is the service and nearly lone service, Bonner provides. He spreads the floor for us, and as the writers here at 48moh have pointed out again and again, he does it damn well. And for you “Bonner haters” I’d like you to find a replacement for a 6’10” big man that shoots over 40% from 3 for his career. There isn’t one out there. So while I don’t think Bonner should play more than 15 min per, I do believe he will be very good in this limited role, and his performance I believe will be statistically correlated to wins next season.

    The other “myth” I hope is eventually dispelled (but in light of its longevity I doubt it ever will be before this player retires) is that the Spurs should trade Parker. I’ll be honest, even up until this past draft I believed this was the best course of action, and I’m not saying there aren’t some convincing arguments for it, but this what I don’t think will work and I consistently see posted – trading Tony for a bunch of role players. Even good role players. If everyone doesn’t remember, 2 seasons ago there were myriad conversations on who was a better pg, Tony or Paul. This guy carried us in 07-08, do we all have that short of memories. He battled all sorts of injuries this season and clearly wasn’t himself. Now again because we can only speculate at this point, it could just be the fact that Tony is getting older and wearing down and slowing down, but I just don’t think we can determine that yet until he is completely healthy again. So my point is, Tony is our all-star, he is the only one of the big 3 capable of carrying the team through the regular season. We relied too much on Tim throughout the regular season and Manu at the end and they both looked worn come playoff time. If we traded Tony for role players, who is going to carry the load during the regular season? Who is going to consistently break down defenses and be instant offense for the Spurs? The 3 role players we get back for Tony? Plus Tony is our best weapon against LA, Miami now, Dallas, and Phoenix, and to trade him away for a decent wing and a backup center doesn’t seem to make much sense to me. Don’t get me wrong I love a good role player and we need better ones (or have ours improve) but I just don’t see the logic in trading an all-star and finals mvp for several one-dimensional players.

  • Hoopster

    On a positive note i am glad to see Splitter come over to us for this season. He will definitely help. Not sure how much, but his skillset is what we needed at this point in the paint. Glad to see that we did not #&$@ it up like the Scola deal, and contrary to what somebody posted about Scola asking for too much money, the FO tried to get him for cheap and it did not work. He was not asking for a great deal! Remember he was paid less then we paid Bonner and they signed the same off season.
    Moving onto the rest of the roster we really could not do much this off season contrary to what alot of you think. None of the players mentioned at the SF spot were going to sign with us for the minimum or LLE so we were not getting them.
    At this point the only way we get any other players is going to be via a trade, and some of you are right it seems that most teams do not want to trade with us or our FO is to conservative to pull it off.
    By the way Childress is a RFA we would have to tender him an offer and hope that Atlanta does not match which they have said they would almost certainly do. I mean they paid Joe Johnson the most money of all the FA this summer and they wonder why they will never win a ring.
    I do like the potential trade of TP to NY for Douglas, Az, and Turiaf maybe we could get them to take Bonner and throw in Wilson Chandler, but I doubt it.

  • Hoopster

    We should definitley take a shot at Matt Barnes though for the LLE. I think he would solidify us at the SF spot. He could start at the SF and bring RJ off the bench that way RJ plays more with Manu and feels comfortable. It will certainly be an interesting up coming season. We still have an outside shot with Phoenix regressing and in my opinion Utah as well. Although OKC will be improved again, Houston should be better(depending on Yao) and Memphis should continue to improve as well. Can’t wait for the season to start.

  • Hoopster

    Good points Micah, my only real reasoning for wanting to trade TP is if we do not then we run the risk of watching him walk away for nothing. I guess after seeing the recent signings maybe we can get some picks for him with a sign and trade but is that really the route we want to take? I do not think so. As far as his skillset I absolutely would not want to give him up for role players, but at what point do you make the decision? Can’t wait until the season is over because then he might walk so when? I guess maybe we see how we are come the trade deadline and if it looks like we are not going anywhere then make the deal. Of course as we all know the Spurs will make their run around the Rodeo road trip and so moving him at that point will not help and will probably not happen anyway. As constructed I think Spurs will win 50+ again and get into the playoffs but that will be it. If that satisfies then so be it, but that is not what we have come to want or expect.

  • Jim Henderson

    hobson13
    July 10th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Fair overall assessment, Hobson. I have to say though, if that’s the way it’s likely to unfold, I’m not too happy with the “probable” plan of the FO as you described it, and for the following reasons:

    (1) It still does not make us good enough defensively, unless there turns out to be numerous surprises (which I simply can’t count on). It does not satisfactorily improve our shot-blocking, or our tenaciousness on the perimeter. In my view, we will not challenge for a championship without significant improvement defensively at all our key positions. Defense has been the Spurs trademark, and in my view, it needs to remain as such for us to be the most successful.
    (2) It does not improve our 3-point shooting in any meaningful way that can be counted on. We cannot count on the rookie, Anderson, to shoot the lights out during his rookie year. We simply do not have enough 3-point shooters, and particularly in terms of clutch shooters for heated playoff action.
    (3) It does not increase our athleticism, or reduce our team age to any significant extent for the MAIN starters & role players. This is an important weakness, particularly on the defensive end.
    (4) It relies too much on internal, organic development from our young players, while hoping that injury or further decline is avoided, or stalled in our aging veterans. It is probably overstating the talent & quality of our “youth movement”.

    “At this point, with so many good free agents already signed for next year, I don’t see the front office making a huge move. As of now, we have only the LLE left and that won’t fetch a quality player in this crazy market. I had fully expected a huge trade several weeks ago, but think our opportunities have past. I am beginning to see this team in the same light as the 2003 squad. That year we had a young Parker, Manu, and Jackson along with an aging core of Steve Kerr, David Robinson and a few others.”

    Perhaps, but a trade could still occur (less likely for TP, but I hope McDyess is still a possibility), and the LLE, or even a vet minimum player, could net us a useful role player. Also, you have to admit, there’s some significant differences between now & 2003.

    “That year we had a young Parker, Manu, and Jackson…….”.

    I wouldn’t be able to put Hill, Blair & Co. in that category. Certainly not at this point.

    I would suggest that the following pick-ups could still be possible, though some would probably require a McDyess trade:

    Amundson (LLE?) *
    Anthony (LLE?) *
    Barnes (LLE?) – better defender
    Butler (LLE?) – better shooter
    J. Jeffries (vet min.?) *
    B. Wallace (vet min.?) **

    * younger, can defend, & a better shot-blocker than McDyess.
    ** same age, amount left in tank, but better defender/shot-blocker than McDyess – former 4-time defensive player of the year – had a bit of a late-career resurgence last year.

    We’re not going to need McDyess’ limited offense, with Blair’s expected improvement in that area, and the addition of Splitter. But we could use an upgrade defensively on the front line (particularly shot-blocking), especially with the signing of Bonner! The bigs on the list above are not good offensive players, but they can DEFEND. We simply MUST make defense a PRIORITY. We have plenty of scorers (we could just use more 3-point shooters).

    I do agree though that trades are getting more unlikely every day (for example, apparently the Knick’s think they can win with Felton at the point! What a mistake that is – two steps forward, one step back with them). But it’s not over til the fat lady sings! And she’s still in hiding.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hoopster
    July 10th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    “Anyone that thinks he will not take Eva and go to NY or another big market after next season are being very naive.”

    I do think that’s a good chance. The Knick’s will have Curry’s 11 million dollar albatross off their backs next year. They could very well be at the top of the class for a TP signing.

    micah
    July 10th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “…..Bonner will be asked to do less and will produce more.”

    He will be asked to do less, and will produce less, because he needs more time than some shooters to get his rhythm going, otherwise he’s very inconsistent. Plus, he’s not a good playoff shooter, and is very limited defensively, even for 10-12 mpg. We most IMPROVE defensively as a team in ALL areas to have any shot at contending.

    “Also, the Spurs offense runs most efficiently when the floor is adequately spread, this is the service and nearly lone service, Bonner provides.”

    Bonner is not the only way that you spread the floor. The great majority of the better teams in the league do not have a true stretch 4 in their 9-man rotation. The myth is that we need a stretch 4. We don’t. That’s why I disagree with the FO’s decision in this regard to sign Bonner, at the expense of improving our defense. I’m much more worried about our defense, than our offense.

    “If everyone doesn’t remember, 2 seasons ago there were myriad conversations on who was a better pg, Tony or Paul.”

    Well, I was never a part of those conversations. Tony is a very good point guard, and I’m certainly not arguing to the contrary, but he’s never been comparable to Chris Paul. And there are several others that are ranked above him right now. Nobody that I know is talking about trading TP for a few VETERAN “role” players. Many of us, myself included, think that a trade of TP at this point, IF we can get another all-star or borderline all-star player, or two or three YOUNG guys that show a lot of promise (some are starters, some are not yet starters), is something that we should strongly consider, particularly because it is quite possible that TP bolts next year in free agency, and then we’ve essentially delayed a year of developing what could have been his young & promising replacements. One day we’re going to be forced to stop being tunnel-visioned for the season right in front of us, and begin to develop more of a 2-5 year plan. And the sooner the better.

    “Plus Tony is our best weapon against LA, Miami now, Dallas, and Phoenix, and to trade him away for a decent wing and a backup center doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.”

    If you’re referring to any players proposed in a trade for TP by me or others on this blog, please let me know. I’d be glad to tell you in some detail why the trade makes sense to me. Otherwise, since I’ve made so many different proposals on this blog, I don’t have any idea what particular TP trade proposal just “doesn’t seem to make sense” to you.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hoopster
    July 10th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    “None of the players mentioned at the SF spot were going to sign with us for the minimum or LLE so we were not getting them.”

    But we could have traded for them (McDyess, RJ, TP).

    “By the way Childress is a RFA we would have to tender him an offer and hope that Atlanta does not match which they have said they would almost certainly do.”

    I agree, Childress is a LONG shot!

  • lvmainman

    @ Jim Henderson,

    No way the Heat don’t match a LLE offer to Joel Anthony, seeing how they’re short players.

  • td4life

    I don’t understand guys who think Bonner is a positive for us in any way that matters. He severely limits our chances to play with the true contenders. The stats that show how effective we are offensively during the regular season are IRRELEVANT when it comes to matching up in the post season with the likes of LA, last year’s Phoenix & Utah, Boston, Portland, and eventually Bosh and the Heat. Even Denver. We aren’t gonna get back to the kind of championship play we’ve had in the past without potent defense. Every minute we play Bonner is a minute we are headed in the wrong direction, in terms of establishing the culture and focus that needs to be there.

    It may be true that all the guys that would of really helped us were out of our price range as some here claim is the beginning and the end of the discussion. But, if you followed the moves made since heading into the off-season, it seems very likely that RJ’s $15M would have yielded several of the very players we should have been targeting. Players which will be playing for different teams than they were last season. Players which solved most, and in some cases all, of our areas of weakness.

    The problem wasn’t one of do-ability. Rather, it very much appears that the Spurs FO seems to think we are better than we are, and chose to be conservative. And that is the problem.

    To that end, I do not think we will see TP or even McD traded away this summer. I am okay with that, although I wasn’t thrilled about the moves we made last summer, at this point I can live with McD. A good trade would be nice certainly, I just don’t expect it all. As for TP, I believe the Spurs will stick with the guys we got, and if TP wants to leave next year, or wants more money, I would expect a pretty good S&T next summer, once it finally is dawning on the FO that changes need to be made. And once this FO figures that out, they will start to realize that RJ and Bonner are relatively burdensome contracts.

    I love TP’s scoring ability, I’d prefer another player who elevates his team mates’ productivity the way the league’s best PGs do, and the way Manu does. We aren’t gonna get that in a TP trade, but if we improved our roster overall it is a justifiable move. If we add several such players because we are losing TP anyway, then it’s of course a no-brainer. We’ll find out next summer, if ever, what we can get for him.

    As I have said numerous times, we are a middling playoff team, we will see some exciting development of players over the next two seasons, and that’s about it.

    We should have been bolder, in part to initiate Splitter into a championship caliber culture from the get go. By the time we start making changes, he will be at least 27, and Timmy will be OLD. Ah, well.

  • td4life

    It sux to see the Warriors sign Wright, were he will have an ever-changing role (we could have offered him the starter’s job, and a bigger pay day down the line) and his defensive potential will be severely stunted. Not that that would have sealed the deal, but still.

    I expect Utah to match Blazers’ offer (must have been a portion of the the MLE?) for Mathews.

  • Jim Henderson

    lvmainman
    July 11th, 2010 at 12:51 am

    “@ Jim Henderson,

    No way the Heat don’t match a LLE offer to Joel Anthony, seeing how they’re short players.”

    You don’t know that. Miami has to be VERY careful with how they spend their money now, and the LLE value is about twice the average vet minimum. We would definitely put pressure on them by putting the LLE on the table for Anthony. I’m not so sure they would match. Anthony is a pretty one-dimensional player, and the Heat have a lot of different needs to fill right now.

  • Jim Henderson

    lvmainman
    July 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “If they’re not good enough to win at least 3 titles in a 6 yr span, something is seriously wrong.”

    Something is seriously wrong. I thought you knew. It’s called a hubris so LARGE that they won’t be able to fit all 13 players into the locker room.

  • nyspursfan

    signing splitter is great. now i think the fo needs to sign and trade a richard jefferson to ny for tracy mcgrady. could you imagine how dangerous we could be? tp,manu,mcgrady,duncan, and splitter as bour starting 5 would be ridiculous

  • rob

    As far as SF are concerned, what about Qytel Woods currently playing Eurolegue/Poland?

    A promising career until pleading guilty to dog fighting, Woods has been considered by some to be the “LeBron” of the Euroleague.

    http://www.slamonline.com/online/other-ballers/international/2010/04/polands-lebron/

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  • doggydogworld

    @Jim Henderson: “Young came in and led the Niner’s to a Superbowl victory in his first year at the helm.”

    This is wildly incorrect. Montana missed all of ’91 and virtually all of ’92 with injuries. Young was the de facto #1 QB for both seasons and the undisputed #1 QB in ’93 after they traded Montana, went 10-6 and lost in the playoffs. When they finally won a Super Bowl in 1994 after bringing in Deion Sanders and other top talent it was Young’s 4th year as the #1 QB. In the locker room celebration he made a big deal about “getting the monkey off his back” after years of frustration and criticism.

    Furthermore, it’s not like trading Montana led to another glorious new era for the 49ers. The fans who were spoiled by 4 Super Bowl wins (sound familiar?) in the ’80s and complained so much in the early ’90s about Young’s failure to deliver would gladly return to those “frustrating” days. Their playoff record since ’94 is 4-6 with zero Super Bowl appearances. Their playoff record since ’02 is 0-0.

  • quincyscott

    Jim Henderson:

    I hear you, and you may be right, but it’s very hard to know. I don’t know the the front office is being complacent with Parker, Ginobilli and Duncan. Pop and Buford are pretty no-nonsense guys, and I bet this is something they are continually worried about and reevaluating. All I can say is that we will all see pretty soon, for better or worse.

    I think Spurs management thinks they are very close, even as bad as last year ended. That the top of the conference is not so far above them that they have to make huge changes to compete. That good health and a few pieces are enough. Time will tell.

    The one example I would disagree with you on is that of Boston. The last years of the Bird/McHale/Parrish/Johnson Celtics is a good comparison, as thy were trying to complement their aging stars with young pieces through the draft. Yes, Bird and company were in decline. But Boston had some excellent picks. I would argue that the nails in the coffin of that team were the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, tragic outcomes that the Celtics could not plan for and did not recover from. It only takes one or two players to make the difference between a good team and a great one, as I think you recognize.

    A team plans and prepares the best it can, but there are factors beyond its control. I would blame the end of the Bird era in Boston on bad luck more than I would bad management.

  • quincyscott

    My apologies for all the typos–I have a two-year-old demanding attention!

  • stanleyb.white

    Look, it makes no sense to trade Tony now or at anytime! He has expressed a desire to stay in San An, and has earned his place in Spurs history. I remember years ago when people wanted to trade D Rob for Jason “shotgun” Williams. Pretty sure everyone is glad that deal never went through. A few years back people wanted to send Tony to NJ for Kidd. Glad they didn’t pull the trigger on that. The best thing is to lock him up long term now.

  • Hobson13

    Jim Henderson
    July 10th, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    “(1) It still does not make us good enough defensively.”
    Unless our young players experience significant growth, I agree.

    “(2) It does not improve our 3-point shooting in any meaningful way that can be counted on.”
    No question you are right. Anderson can’t be counted on to hit clutch threes. Again, we are hoping for improment from the youngsters.

    “4) It relies too much on internal, organic development from our young players”

    You’re correct. The team, as it currently stands, would rely heavily on player development, which is always a risky proposition.

    “Also, you have to admit, there’s some significant differences between now & 2003.

    “That year we had a young Parker, Manu, and Jackson…….”.

    I wouldn’t be able to put Hill, Blair & Co. in that category. Certainly not at this point.”

    Those 3 players certainly turned out to be special. I agree that it’s highly improbable for our young players to reach their level this next year (and probably won’t in their career) however, that is what it would take for us to win a championship next year with our current roster. You notice I say “current roster.” A trade could change my opinion on everything I’ve said.

    “Amundson (LLE?) *
    Anthony (LLE?) *
    Barnes (LLE?) – better defender
    Butler (LLE?) – better shooter
    J. Jeffries (vet min.?) *
    B. Wallace (vet min.?) **”

    Perhaps we could get one of these players with the LLE, but I’m not optimistic. The owners have screwed themselves in the next CBA by spending like drunken sailors on Free Agents. With this spending binge in mind, I’m not sure if the LLE would fetch these guys. Perhaps we can trade McDyess or even Bonner for either a shooter, perimeter defender, or shot blocker. The knicks are wanting to unload Wilson Chandler for a good shooting big. I would certainly be willing to nominate Bonner to go to NY.

  • Bryan Z

    If hes all he is cracked up to be..the future is now!!

  • Miguel

    Qyntel Woods “the LeBron of the Euroleague”………….I don’t know what is wrong with most NBA fans anymore. They just have ZERO basketball knowledge.

    Calling Woods the LeBron of the Euroleague is the most comical thing I have heard in awhile.

    European fans know the Euroleague/Eurocup and the NBA and the NCAA and the good European domestic leagues and FIBA basketball.

    NBA fans seem to know nothing, literally nothing about basketball other than the NBA. And they seem to make the most bizarre and absurd comments and have the strangest views on European basketball players.

    Guys that are at best average level Euroleague players like Childress and Rubio are worshiped and called the Jordan of Europe and the next Nash. Seriously……..I think all NBA fans should be banned from ever being allowed to make any comments about anything related to European basketball. It’s just so embarrassing.

  • rob

    @Miguel
    The mention of Woods was not based on an opinion that makes me think he is (would be) the next coming of LeBron. It is just a different avenue that could be explored if all else might fail in helping to land another legit (taller than 6’6″) SF even if we keep RJ.

    The list of available talent to fill that role is dwindling fast and is a glaring weakness for this Spurs team. Woods was, under Larry Brown, a very servicable SF. He apparently has upped his game since being in Europe and has matured compared to three years ago.

    Now if it happens that Gist or Gee has improved considerably from just last summer and could come in and be consistant off the bench this year…it wouldn’t matter.

    But the fact is the Spurs outside of RJ (and lets hope he’s better than last year) are very thin in the SF position regarding players that would make a positive impact for this team.

    One interesting scenario that is panning out is the situation with Raymond Felton of the Bobcats. If he bolts to the Knicks…Charolette does not have a PG to run the team. Nor is there a starting caliber PG available through free agency.

    The Bobcats do have SF’s that could be an interesting situation regarding trade.

    A trade of Parker for SJax/Augustine strait up works and gives the Spurs a known commodity in Jackson to play SF while Augustine would do well as a b/u PG for the Spurs.

    Parker unites with his countryman Diaw and the Bobcats will have tons of salary to work with after next season with the expiring of Parker and Chandler’s contracts.

  • bduran

    There is part of me that says we don’t need to do much more. We won 50 games last year and had an efficiency differential of a 54-55 win team. Guys like Hill and RJ played better as the season wore on, TP had a bad year due to injury, and Blair was great but still a rookie.

    If you think that Manu and TD won’t decline much this year and Splitter to the mix all of a sudden we look really good.

    I would probably be 100% fine with this line of thought if we hadn’t got swept by Phoenix. I really hope we use the LLE or McDyess or something to address these issues. Splitter should help defending the rim and PnR D, but we have done nothing that guarantees an improvement of our D on the wing or are 3 pt shooting. This potential seems to be on the roster, but I’d like to see us hedge our bets more.

  • lvmainman

    Anthony Morrow 3 yr – $12 million
    Dorell Wright 3 yr – $11 million
    Wesley Matthews 5 yr – $34 million

    @ td4life
    I agree with your sentiments.
    I posted 4 reasons in detail why I’d lost faith in the front office in the past year in the “Shaq in silver and black post”.(July 8th, 2:04pm)

    It still puzzles me that the Spurs had 6 expiring contracts and didn’t use any of them to improve the team. Especially knowing that even if they all came off the books, the Spurs were still over the salary cap and prohibited from any decent free agency action to upgrade the team. (I do believe that Holt’s negotiations with new CBA had something to do with it.)

  • lvmainman

    6 expiring contracts

    Theo Ratliff
    Michael Finley
    Matt Bonner
    Keith Bogans
    Roger Mason
    Ian Mahinmi

    Only Bonner was worth resigning? (I believe he shouldn’t have been resigned, unless it’s to be a trade chip during the season)

    So why not trade all the other ones to upgrade the team? Why let them walk off the team for free? Why not offer the Warriors their choice of the 6 contracts and trade for Stephen Jackson? I don’t get it.

  • spursfanbayarea

    @Jim Henderson
    Like I said, its very hard to get top level talent to small market teams. I stated you have to get super lucky in the lottery to get one of those players to come to a small market team. Thats why I believe it will be harder and harder for small market teams to compete. I never took away any accomplishments from the great players such as stockton, ewing, barkely. But all those players wish they had at least 1 ring. Also when ever players are compared and ranked, rings are always put into the discussion. Barkley without a ring will never be considered one of the top players. If his career was identical but he had 2 rings he would be considered by a lot of people to be a greater player. Players today are more concerned about their image than ever. If lebron would have won 5 regular season MVP’s but no titles. Would people put him ahead of Kobe? There would always be people knocking him for not having a ring. Karl Malone was a two time MVP. 2nd all time leading scorer. So rare to win MVP more than once. But he is not even in consideration of greatest ever. Landscape of the NBA is changing. Fewer and fewer teams will have legitimate chances at winning the NBA championship. We should be grateful for the 4 titles we had. Also I dont think we are that far from a title IMHO. Go Spurs Go.

  • duaneofly

    The thing about Stephen Jackson is we had already traded for Richard Jefferson. On top of that, we didn’t know Jefferson was going to be the semi-bust that he was. So why would the Spurs trade more players for Jackson when we just got Jefferson? That would have made no sense. On top of that, who says the Warriors would even have traded with us, they can trade with whomever they want.

    Dissing the front office for not using the expiring contracts at the trade deadline is a valid complaint. However, complaining that we didn’t make a play for Jackson isn’t.

  • stanleyb.white

    Tony is a 3 time champion! We will not get anything of close value in return. That’s our bridge to our future. Stop the insane talk of trading him.

  • Jim Henderson

    doggydogworld
    July 11th, 2010 at 6:42 am

    I was off on how quickly Young came in to win the Superbowl, and how long Montana’s recovery period was from his back injuries, etc.

    But the main point remains, it was the right move to trade the idol-worshipped, #1 QB of ALL-TIME, Montana, even though after battling some fairly significant injuries he could clearly still play the game at a HIGH level, regardless of Young’s solid performances in 1991 & 1992. Witness Montana leading an unspectacular Chief team to the AFC championship game in 1993 season, after some scintillating performances in the Wild Card & Divisional playoff games.

    “Furthermore, it’s not like trading Montana led to another glorious new era for the 49ers.”

    After Montana left in 1993, the Niner’s still had five more years of winning 10 or more games, 4 of which were Division titles, all 5 were playoff appearances, with one Conference Championship appearance in 1997.
    Young retired after the 1998 season, and the 49er’s were unable to sustain a rebuild under the management team lead by Steve Mariucci, which began in 1997. The brilliant leadership of Walsh and Seifert had now left the scene, and the Niners have struggled to get back on top ever since.

    But the point is, IT WAS A CONTROVERSIAL DECISION to trade Montana in 1993, despite Young’s competence (Young was only 5-5 as a starter in 1991, though came back strong in 1992, 10-6 in 1993, Superbowl winners in 1994), because Montana was a legend in SF, and could still clearly play at a high level. Most QB’s at that level are NOT replaced after their injuries have fully healed (Montana led the Niners to two straight 14-2 records before the injury). But the Niners were smart because they knew Montana was much closer to the end of his days than was Young. Because it has not panned out LONG-TERM does not change the fact that trading a past-prime star is often the right thing to do to take a shot at sustaining the competitiveness of a franchise over the intermediate to long-term. And we have the advantage of not having lost our successful management team (Pop/RC). I just hope they’re not now making a mistake by holding on to ALL of the big three.

    By the way, I admitted that the Niner decision is not completely analogous to the Spurs situation, but in my view, there’s enough parallels to make the connection.

  • bduran

    Well as poorly as RJ played, I don’t think Stephen Jackson is an upgrade. I’m not sure why people are so high on him. He scores more than RJ, but less efficiently. He rebounds a little less, gets more assists but also more turnovers. His A/TO ratio is worse. He does generate more steals, which is good but not enough to make up for everything else. The FO may have made a mistake with RJ, but getting Stephen Jackson instead is not the answer.

  • ldhl89

    I cant wait to see Pick % roll
    Ginobili-Splitter
    Parker-Splitter

  • ldhl89

    bduran
    Talkin about Defense there is a big difference, thats why Larry Brown take this guy

  • Jim Henderson

    quincyscott
    July 11th, 2010 at 7:04 am

    “I would argue that the nails in the coffin of that team were the deaths of Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, tragic outcomes that the Celtics could not plan for and did not recover from. It only takes one or two players to make the difference between a good team and a great one, as I think you recognize.”

    That is a valid point.

    “I would blame the end of the Bird era in Boston on bad luck more than I would bad management.”

    I would suggest it was both. And actually, Boston was lucky in some ways that they had a team like Seattle, which was dumb enough to give the the #2 pick in 1986 (Bias) in a trade for just Gerald Henderson & a relatively small amount of cash. Lewis was a great pick at #22 in 1987, and his untimely death during the prime of his career was a tragic loss.

    Hobson13
    July 11th, 2010 at 8:02 am

    “The knicks are wanting to unload Wilson Chandler for a good shooting big. I would certainly be willing to nominate Bonner to go to NY.”

    I would rather take the promising B. Walker. He’s a better 3-point shooter.

    rob
    July 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    “A trade of Parker for SJax/Augustine strait up works and gives the Spurs a known commodity in Jackson to play SF while Augustine would do well as a b/u PG for the Spurs.

    Parker unites with his countryman Diaw and the Bobcats will have tons of salary to work with after next season with the expiring of Parker and Chandler’s contracts.”

    That’s the type of thinking we should be much more open to around here.

    bduran
    July 11th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    “I would probably be 100% fine with this line of thought if we hadn’t got swept by Phoenix. I really hope we use the LLE or McDyess or something to address these issues. Splitter should help defending the rim and PnR D, but we have done nothing that guarantees an improvement of our D on the wing or are 3 pt shooting. This potential seems to be on the roster, but I’d like to see us hedge our bets more.”

    That’s right. And just remember, being a playoff team and winning a championship are two entirely different things. Although it appears that solid playoff teams are close to challenging, the last little bit that puts a team over the top is not easy to accomplish. The gap is much bigger than it appears on the surface.