Advanced Scouting: New York Knicks at San Antonio Spurs

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San Antonio Spurs at New York Knicks 7:00 CST January 21, 2011

The Spurs suffered perhaps their most embarrassing defeat of the year at the hands of the New York Knicks on January 4. In that game, Head Coach Gregg Popovich pulled the Spurs starters with the game still completely undecided. The final score of 128-115 must have given Bruce Bowen nightmares. The last time San Antonio allowed that many points in regulation, Tim Duncan was still playing basketball in St. Croix.

My scouting report for the Knicks suggested that the Spurs focus on contesting jump shots and making Felton get rid of the ball when running the pick-and-roll.

Pretty much everything the Knicks did last meeting worked. They averaged at least 1 point per possession (PPP) on every play type (Spot-Up, P&R Ball Handler, Isolation, Screen, Cut, Transition, Post, P&R Man and Offensive Rebound). The Knicks ran the pick-and-roll 39 times, 28 times through Raymond Felton. Felton scored 16 points on 13 possessions he finished himself, but he only created 11 points in the 15 possessions he created for others. Amare Stoudemire created 16 points on 10 isolation sets. Surprisingly, the Knicks only scored seven points on the fast break. Wilson Chandler had a big game, scoring 31 points on 13 of 19 shooting, with four assists and nine rebounds.

The Spurs contested only 13 of 30 catch-and-shoot jump shots, but the Knicks were only 8 for 27 on 3-point attempts. This suggests it could have been even worse! The Knicks only committed six turnovers, five of which were steals by the Spurs.

The Spurs were held to a stalemate on the boards, both teams collected 10 offensive rebounds and the Knicks edged them out in defensive rebounds 28-27. The Spurs should typically hold the rebounding edge against the Knicks.

Offense was not the problem with San Antonio. They only made 5 of 18 attempts from deep, but shot close to 54% overall. Tony Parker created 20 points on 13 pick and roll derived possessions and 11 points in eight isolation sets. Parker finished with 26 points scored on 15 field goal attempts. In only 17 minutes, DeJuan Blair scored 12 points on cuts and finished with 18 overall on 12 field goal attempts. Duncan only managed eight points in 12 possessions in the post. Despite creating nine steals, the Spurs were only able to score 13 points on 14 transition possessions. (Steals can lead to the easiest of fast breaks.)

Key Statistics

SRS ranks:

New York: 0.09 (16th)
San Antonio: 7.97 (1st)

Key Player Statistics (courtesy of 82games.com (effective January 19, 2011) and basketballvalue.com (effective January 19, 2011):

PlayerFraction of teams minutesPER minus Counterpart PEROn court +/-per 48 minutesOff court +/-per 48 minutes2 Year Adjusted +/-
Felton0.81-0.25-3.76
Stoudemire0.775.71.8-2.3-2.62
Chandler0.734.42.8-4.21.93
Fields0.662.44-5.48.32
Gallinari0.61-2.61.401.61
Douglas0.46-2.90.80.9-4.41
Turiaf0.31-0.44.9-0.91.32
Walker0.21-3.44.3-0.15.08
Williams0.21-5.9-5.22.5N/A

Most valuable/utilized lineups:

Felton, Fields, Chandler, Gallinari, Stoudemire +80 in 503 minutes (+7.6 per 48 MP)

The Pick

Yep, I’m going with the Spurs again.

After beating San Antonio, the Knicks bested the Suns and proceeded to lose five of their next six games, only exceeding 100 points in two of these games. The Spurs have held opponents under the century mark in each of their last seven games.

  • ITGuy

    No Comment.

  • http://www.bpifanconnect.com Alix Babaie

    Ha! That’s a first IT Guy! I think this team will want to make a statement tonight, especially with a national audience watching, Pop will have these guys ready to wreck shop!

  • Carlos Martin

    GO SPURS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beat the Knicks. Give them a heavy dose of reality

  • ChrisWAMBO

    Its pay back tim! GO SPURS GO!

    Amare Suns killed us on the Play Off in San Antonio last year!

    This years Knick killed as at the Garden and then the so called elite media reported Spurs are old and not a true championship team.

    PAY BACK TIME! GO SPURS GO! WE ARE FOR REAL!

  • DorieStreet

    Got to feel Spurs need and want to get this victory—1st game of BTB, with 2nd @ the Hornets, who are 8-2 in last 10 games and won 6 straight. But they play @ Hawks tonight so they will be in a BTB too. These last 5 games in January will be a good 1st indicator of how focused the Spurs are: 1H-3A-1H (Knicks, Hornets, Warriors, Jazz, Rockets). Looking for the defense to shut down SF Chandler and PG Felton.

  • Judd

    I haven’t been this excited for a game since we crushed the Lakers. I look forward to watching San Antonio Mcdyess shove Amare around a bit. Other than that, I believe we will go with the old strategy we used against the Stoudemire Suns: let Amare get his and shut down everyone else. And then run right back at ’em. Too many knick fans got way too excited after they beat us (when Manu had the flu by the way). Time to show them that was a fluke.

  • ThatBigGuy

    The better team usually wins the second game. Look for the Knicks to struggle early against our D, then have to play from behind in the 2nd half. They’re not a very mature team, so look to break their confidence early.

  • LPspursFan

    A win tonight, regardless of the gaudiness of the Spurs record to this point, goes a long way toward proving our team is for real. Maybe not so much for us as fans but definitely in how the national media and nationwide fan base sees the team.
    I’m excited about the match-up and I certainly expect a better showing than what we saw when we visited NY.
    Go! Spurs! Go!!!!

  • http://www.buns.fr buns

    Unrelated, but for those interested in James Gist, he’s having fun (play #3):
    http://euroleague.infrontams.tv/index.php?id=4206

  • Tyler

    I think the Spurs get this, we learn from our mistakes. On the plus side, we don’t have to face D’Antoni in the Playoffs.

    on an unrelated note, due to the nagging Matt Bonner injury, I was thinking…

    Why don’t the Spurs pick up the just recently released Troy Murphy? He’s a good defender, a better rebounder than Bonner, and he can stroke it from outside. The price might be high, but I think it might be worth it if this Bonner thing is going to keep bothering him. Or is this messing too much with the excellent rotational chemistry??

    Go Spurs Go!

  • Hobson13

    Tyler
    January 21st, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Murphy would be a tremendous pickup, but we would have to trade for him which is unlikely considering his contract. If only he were bought out of his contract…then he would be worth going after. He can stroke the 3 like Bonner, but can rebound and bang in the paint. NJ has basically destroyed his trade value by not giving him any playing time this year in favor of playing the younger guys. Who knows, maybe they buy Murphy out and let him walk after the trade deadline assuming they can’t get anything for his expiring contract. If that were to happen, the Spurs should pounce.

  • DorieStreet

    @ Tyler- @ Hobson-

    +10
    I didn’t know Murphy was in the league as long as RJ. Career 12ppg/ rbg. Man—Warriors, Pacers, Nets-dude has never been on a winner. Murphy is a veteran I could go for as a Spur now.

  • jwalt

    Don’t be overconfident tonight Spur fans. Two reasons. One is that Bonner is out. Criticize him all you want but he simply makes the team better. Second is that Stoudemire kills us ALL THE TIME, last game, last year in the playoffs, in all past playoffs. He sees a Spur uniform and instantly thinks he’s Wilt.

  • rob

    Spurs 114 - Knicks 105

  • rob

    “Why don’t the Spurs pick up the just recently released Troy Murphy?”

    Murphy hasn’t been “released”.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=nba&id=777

    But I agree…if he is “bought out”, the Spurs would be a great location for him to finally get a ring.

  • Flavor

    @ buns: Thanks for the link… didn’t know Gist and Jerrells were playing together… good stuff.

  • LPspursFan

    jwalt…Amare himself goes off on the Spurs, but I don’t believe history shows that his TEAMS necessarily are that successful against us…

  • AS

    @ buns

    Gist, Jerrells…and Malik Hairston owned at #6

    nice find

  • Tyler

    @ Tyler

    If we did pick Murphy up, who would he play over? Where do his minutes come from? I have a hard time seeing him as more productive than TD, Bonner (not the way he’s shooting), or McDyess. And though Blair hasn’t played great the first half, I have to believe Pop is committed to running the youngster out there at 15 mpg. That puts him 5th on the depth chart. And in the playoffs when the rotations tighten, will he get any time? I guess we could use him to lighten the load on TD in the regular season, but why not give those minutes to Splitter instead?

    I don’t really know. I could see it go either way. I wouldn’t mind him - he seems like a decent guy who would fit in the locker room. But aren’t his skills somewhat redundant at this point? Better rebounder that Bonner, but not quite the shooter.

  • spursfanbayarea

    @Tyler
    If we were to pick up murphy it would most likely be the end of splitters development for this year. Murphy would most likely get more minutes than splitter if he comes on board. Obtaining murphy is as they say a sword that cuts both ways. Would be nice to have another solid big guy to put out there. But it would come at the expense of splitter. If mcdyess were to retire next year and we were able to resign murphy at a reasonable bargain it could work out for the spurs. Ideally we could pick him up and still develop splitter. Overall though I think it would be a great pickup for the spurs. Doesn’t hurt to have another big who can space the floor with shooting and can rebound.

  • SpurredOn

    @Scott - I got confused. It says the Spurs got nine steals last game but the earlier paragraph stated the Knicks committed only six turnovers last time, with five being steals by the Spurs.

  • ITGuy

    @Alix Babaie
    I guess you think my “No Comment” comment doesn’t count as a comment?

    Go Spurs Go!!

  • Miggy

    “Knock the Knicks into tomorrow, Spurs!!!”

  • TD = BEST EVER

    @ everyone

    Murphy would be a GREAT pick up. It really doesn’t matter what happens with Splitter this year. POP has shown that he doesn’t trust him. Even in games where playing him makes all the sense in the world, he doesn’t get minutes……

    But on another note

    Anthony Randolph is still going to be traded somewhere…

    Quote from Ric Bucher’s chat today

    “Saw Randolph at shootaround today, sitting by himself glumly, looking like a man just waiting to be sent elsewhere. With what I’ve heard about this draft, getting AR for a protected first would be a worthwhile gamble. No franchise-changing players are in this draft class and I haven’t given up on Randolph making good on his colossal talent.”

    No franchise changing players in this draft and Randolph has COLOSSAL Talent…… this could be what the Spurs have been missing for the last 3 years……. a Big that you can rebuild around when TD is gone, and if not - just ship him back off for another pick down the line. This draft is gonna suck anyway

  • lvmainman

    Randolph for the Spurs 1st round draft pick would be a steal. A 6′ 11″, 3 yr NBA vet that’s only 21 with Colossal talent for a 1st rd pick? Hurry up Spurs and make that deal if possible.

    Randolph could blossom into a Lamar Odom type with the right coaching and playing situation.

  • Tyler (the 1st tyler commenter)

    @TD= BEST EVER

    the problem with Randolph is

    1) development. he’s shown no commitment to learning to play at the NBA level. Pop is a great coach, but this is a high school guy who hasn’t succeeded. He’s young, but after two soft-ball coahces (Nellie and D’Antoni), I’m not sure he’s going to want to be hard-balled by Pop. Could backfire.

    2) He can’t shoot. He has no jump-shot. He’s an open floor slasher tweener 3/4, and unless TD retires and Pop REALLY wants to turn these guys into the Suns, I don’t see a place for him.

    @Tyler (the 2nd Tyler)

    Murphy would be a cheap, and VERY efficient get, if TD or McDyess retires. He’s a gamer, great in a locker room, and he rebounds like a beast.

    The Splitter thing- remember when GHill was a rookie and we were beginning Pop to play him in the playoffs and it never happened? Pop doesn’t play rookies in the playoffs. The rotations tighten, sure, but Murphy provides another big man to spell a Duncan/Dyess/Bonner/Blair rotation, because YOU KNOW Anderson and Bonner aren’t getting PT unless it’s absolutely necessary this playoff year.

    And Splitter could learn from Murphy! He’s mobile and he has a sweet set J. Splitter could benefit from having such a veteran in the locker room to help him if/when Dyess and TD retire

  • DorieStreet

    @ TD= BEST EVER & lvmainman -

    Both of you have said from training camp we needed an athletic, talented big to make the Spurs serious title contenders-but without taking apart what has been accomplished this season. I believe in human nature prevailing-one guy a solid, producing league veteran with losing teams his whole career-Murphy- and a young, talented player who is an afterthought on his team (Randolph). We can’t go wrong with either move-think bigs in lalaland & beantown.

  • Gary

    I don’t know why… but Amare always afraid me..
    he’s one tough guy to guard…

    but hey, it’s the SPURS :)

  • Mitch

    George Hill, DNP?

  • http://www.48minutesofhell.com Scott Sereday

    @SpurredOn

    Good catch. The Spurs actually had 5 steals and the Knicks had 9.

  • Hobson13

    Mitch, Hill sprained his finger on the shooting hand during pregame. Don’t know when he will be back. It didn’t sound too serious, though.

    I’d love to see the Lakers lose in Denver.

  • TD = Best EVER

    @ Tyler (the 1st tyler commenter)

    “1) development. he’s shown no commitment to learning to play at the NBA level.”

    I’m not sure what this means - he can PLAY at any level - Now if you want to say Growth as a person/player - then maybe, but then again he is only 21.

    “2) He can’t shoot. He has no jump-shot. He’s an open floor slasher tweener..”

    Have you seen the highlights - Please go to youtube and check them out…… He has Dice range right now and can develop 3 point range if he puts in the time…..