Advanced Scouting: San Antonio Spurs at New York Knicks

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San Antonio Spurs at New York Knicks 6:30 CST January 4, 2011

SRS ranks:

New York: 0.07 (16th)
San Antonio: 8.77 (1st)

Key Player Statistics (courtesy of 82games.com (effective December 27, 2010) and basketballvalue.com (effective January 1, 2011):

PlayerFraction of teams minutesPER minus Counterpart PEROn court +/-per 48 minutesOff court +/-per 48 minutes2 Year Adjusted +/-
Felton0.82.6-0.48.3-5.8
Stoudemire0.784.92.6-3.1-3.7
Gallinari0.71-3.32.3-13
Chandler0.74.14-4.91.9
Fields0.663.96.3-8.411.8
Douglas0.46-2.30.22.2-5.9
Turiaf0.3-1.22.40.80.6


Despite Felton’s statistical improvements this year, the Knicks has been much more successful without him. Of course, his off-court figure only represents about 6 games, some of which has been garbage time. For some reason, the Knicks have particularly struggled with both Felton and Douglas on the floor. Following are the Knicks splits, per 48 minutes:

Only Felton: 111.1-107.8 in 832 minutes
Only Douglas: 107.9-97.4 in 286 minutes
Both: 97.7-107.4 in 417 minutes

Most valuable/utilized lineups:

Felton, Fields, Chandler, Gallinari, Stoudemire +90 in 443 minutes (+9.75 per 48 MP)

Preferred method to create shots: Stoudemire on isolations, 3 point shots and the fast break

The Knicks run isolations through Amare Stoudemire nearly 10 times per game, a rate surpassed by only Carmelo Anthony.
According to Synergy Sports, Amare’s 0.87 points per possessions (PPP) place him in the 52nd percentile for such plays.

Stoudemire’s usage on isolations is significantly larger than the 3 possessions per game he typically ran at Phoenix. (His average was also above 0.95 PPP.) Stoudemire has shown that he can create without Nash, but his decreased efficiency is indicative of Nash’s impact. Amare’s overall offensive rating of 108 is well short of his 119 over the past 6 seasons in Phoenix.

Raymond Felton has been excellent at coordinating the pick and roll. His 12.2 PPG created from passing out of the pick are most in the NBA. The Knicks torrid pace does lead to a lot of high rankings, but only Paul and Nash are even in this vicinity. No one else averages more than 9.5 PPG on such passes. (Note that not all these passes are recorded as assists).

Felton’s average of 1.09 PPP when passing out of the pick and roll ranks in the 83rd percentile. By comparison, he averages “just” 0.92 PPP when he takes the keeps the ball. Last year these rates were 0.94 and 0.92, respectively. I suspect the primary difference is that the Knicks have better shooters than the Bobcats had last season. Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Shawne Williams, Bill Walker and Felton himself are all significant three point threats. The Knicks currently rank first in the NBA in three pointers made and attempted.

In addition to creating shots through Felton and Stoudemire, it should come as no surprise that New York is in the top three in transition possessions this season.

Appropriate Spurs counter: Contest all jumpers and play off Felton in the Pick and Roll

There are few statistics that indicate value in transition defense. More athletic players and hustle/defensive inclined players are obviously better. The Spurs have shown the ability to defend the break to this point in the season, allowing the fewest fast break scores in the NBA, so they probably don’t want to mess with the lineup formula too much to maintain success in preventing the fast break.

George Hill might be a better matchup defending the pick and roll than Parker. His tendency to go under the screener could help defending the pass to the roll man. In addition, the Spurs consistently allow fewer points on the pick and roll when Hill is the defender.

Knowing how to defend the jump shot, and particularly the three, is much more difficult to assess. Clearly longer defenders who contest shots are preferred when defending jumpers, but there is little reliability in defensive three point percentage. Opponent 3P% has a smaller correlation from year to year than opponent FT%, meaning that the lion’s share of opponent three point rate is determined by luck.

If the Spurs can prevent the uncontested three point shot altogether, they should improve their chances to come out on top. The Knicks currently average 1.15 PPP on 370 unguarded catch and shoot attempts (76th percentile), 0.99 PPP on 349 guarded catch and shoot attempts (83rd percentile) and 0.76 on 468 jump shots off the dribble (31st percentile).

Spurs offensive game plan: crash the boards, attack Amare

The Knicks are a terrible defensive rebounding team, ranking 26th in the NBA. There could be many opportunities for Duncan and Blair to create offense by way of putbacks.

Amare Stoudemire has rated consistently below average at defending the pick and roll. Since the 2006-07 season, Stoudemire has allowed over 1.00 PPP on 352 roll man possessions and 0.95 in 633 ball handler possessions (only available since 2008-09). The Spurs can attack him in a variety of ways on the pick and roll. If Amare matches up on Duncan like in prior seasons, Duncan is also capable of producing as the roll man.

Here is how Synergy breaks down the Duncan-Amare Matchup since 2005-06:

Amare on Offense:
Post- 15 pts in 25 poss
Pick and Roll Man- 36 points in 28 possessions
Isolation- 28 pts in 25 poss
Overall- 118 pts in 126 poss

Duncan on offense:
Post- 95 pts in 92 poss
Pick and Roll Man- 25 pts in 15 poss
Isolation- 1 pt in 7 pos
Overall- 138 pts in 125 poss

Conclusion

After a hot start, the Knicks continue to be a hot topic in my area (I live in North Jersey), but they don’t match up favorably to the Spurs. The Knicks three point shooting and home court advantage could present problems, but the Spurs have a good shot at reaching 30 wins tonight.

  • rob

    Spurs 115 / Knicks 102

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  • http://www.bpifanconnect.com Alix Babaie

    Once again, condemn us if you will, Non-Spurs fans but doesn’t this season seem extremely charmed as we now face the NYY sans its big Italian? I am telling you, the basketball gods are smiling on SA this season.

  • AS

    The streak of injured players on teams facing SA continues, now Gallinari, an important piece of this Knicks. Will they start Felton/Fields/Chandler/Amare/Turiaf?
    Interesting to see that Fields has the biggest +/-. This guy was a draft steal.

  • DorieStreet

    @ Alix Babaie

    Did this bizarre short-handed opponent stretch start with the December 8th game vs. Golden State with Stephen Curry?

  • http://www.bpifanconnect.com Alix Babaie

    @ DorieStreet

    It seems that it has….but I am not complaining, hey, it’s about time that the Spurs have caught some breaks. It has been 3 years by my watch since we have been this blessed with good fortune going our way.

    Here’s to hoping it continues.

  • D-Muff

    What happened to our old boy Roger Mason?

  • mybloodissilverandblack

    Landry Fields = steal of the draft. However, we have Gary Neal, who is the undrafted steal.

  • ThatBigGuy

    Hill/Manu are going to have their hands full with Fields. He’s a solid, smart player, but he rebounds like a PF. We have to put a butt on him early and often. It’s always cool to see an unhearalded player kick some booty, I just hope we can show him how smart veterans play.

  • td4life

    I don’t consider Gallo being out a blessing for the Spurs. We have struggled against injured teams like the Clippers and Mavs… and more than that Gallo missfires alot, and the team has clearly been better with Turiaf in a conventional lineup. Coaching and preparation is a big part of the Spurs’ success, and what they will face tonight is a question mark. As long as our guys don’t see Gallinari’s absence as a break in their favor like the fans do, I’m comfortable. I’m sure the other players on New York are well aware that Gallinari isn’t there yet, and are raring to prove it now that they have a chance to step up, and it will be interesting to see what Shawne Williams does.

    We have better offesnse, defense, and rebounding and should be able to embarrass them, but I don’t consider no Gallo a plus for us.

  • mac

    Landry Fields is a Spurs type of player. I covet him, considering how easy a second pick would have been to obtain. But the Spurs don’t have room for him, with our awesome depth at guard. Wesley Matthew is another guy that I wish we had on board although the problem is the same. Mathews plays good at both ends and is a burly fella, I’d like the team’s options on defense with both him and George Hill on the same roster. As long as Anderson stays pretty healthy most of the time, I’ll not lose sleep over these guys.

  • AS

    @td4life

    “and the team has clearly been better with Turiaf in a conventional lineup”
    ———————————————————-
    There is no real evidence for this statement. Visit http://basketballvalue.com and 82games.com and maybe you’ll change your mind.

    Besides that, the Knicks are currently 5th in offensive efficiency, scoring 107.9 points per 100 possessions. Gallinari’s individual offensive rating, the points he produces per 100 possessions, is 123.5. The other starters produce:

    Amar’e Stoudemire - 107.8
    Wilson Chandler - 115.4
    Landry Fields - 116.6
    Raymond Felton - 110.2.

    Gallinari hit the 3 at a 37% rate and is 2nd on the team in FT attempts/48 min.

    I agree with you in the question mark part, since the expected starting lineup of Felton-Fields-Chandler-Stoudemire-Turiaf isn’t even one of D’Antoni’s top twenty used lineups

  • Dr. Who

    RJ is actually contributing this year, shooting 3’s not 2’s inside the circle, almost got in a fight against the Lakers and now he’s trashing NYC in an interview…

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/the-knicks-fix-1.812055/r-j-unimpressed-with-new-york-revival-1.2583523

    Who is this guy? While I don’t condone trash talking, I don’t mind our guys having an edge to us. It’s a different season for sure. Just don’t lose the game or get posterized in the game RJ. You might lose some of that swagger!

  • rob

    Dr. Who…I think this may go back to his NJ days. Jefferson normally doesn’t trash talk a team. But who knows (no pun intended)…Jefferson just may becoming a little “confident” as they say.

  • Kintaro

    Stoudemire has trouble guarding post players that take a more cerebral approach to offense. If Duncan can establish good position down low, then I forsee him and the entire team having a field day. Duncan will score with an array of post moves and put backs, and when the rest of the Knicks squad decides to send some help “D” for Stoudemire, Duncan will hit guys on the perimeter for some 3-bombs. Basically, same old same old game plan.

  • DieHardSpur

    I enjoy having players with a little bit of attitude. Not necessarily the chest pounding type when they get an “and one”, but a little swagger/excitement is more than welcome from this SPURS fan!

  • DBAGuy

    This is really the media twisting RJ’s words. If you listen to the interview, he was asked if this is better for the franchise and he wanted to iterate the fact that is not just good because it is New York, but any other city for that matter. Everyone wants to say and that becuase it is New York and a big market, if it wasn’t it wouldn’t be talked about that much. RJ’s point was that all franchises should be trated the same, why should NY be better for the NBA than SA for example. Man, our Spurs writers are the best, period.

  • Dr. Who

    I think there is some bad blood left over from his NJ days. That’s a large part of who RJ is, he came into the league in New Jersey. There certainly is no love lost between the Nets and Knicks. As long as he doesn’t get tea bagged and we get the win all will be well. I heard the interview and he was pretty pointed towards NY. Much more so than Pop’s comments.

    As far as getting lucky with the teams we are playing having major players out… yeah we are, but that’s part of it. The one of if not the biggest contributing factors to an NBA championship is health. You can have all the talent in the world but if they are on the bench with injury it does no good. Recall our playoff flame out with Timmy on the bench injured? Manu always seems dinged up and Parker will have the same during the year. Spurs health is a big deal right now and sometimes things happen in a magical season. We are getting some big breaks this year. If you don’t think so ask the ex front runner Mavericks. Butler is done for the season. While it doesn’t kill their season, I’m not sure if all the media will be labeling them favorites as much. Marion will have to step up his game. He’ll do fine but they just lost some depth. Our season started to turn around last year when Manu got healthy again. I hope El Contusion isn’t battling some injuries he’s not telling the trainers about. His game has definitely changed from the MVP start he was having.

    While this “proving ground” trip hasn’t really proven much with the Lakers showing that they are having some serious troubles and then barely beating a Dallas team with no Dirk… then we get NY without Gallinari. Whether or not we win the game tonight, the Celts will be an immense test tomorrow. Back to back against an Eastern Conference front runner. That will be a true test… although the Celts are without KG and Rondo is just coming back from an injury. And the luck keeps on rolling! We’ve shown flashes of suffocating D that has been synonymous with the Spurs over the past glory years. If the Spurs can give that defensive effort (like they did against OK City) on a nightly basis all we will have left to write about is Tiago’s development and when will Anderson play?!

  • Flavor

    Someone asked about RMJ earlier…

    Roger Mason Junior of the New York Knicks:

    7.6 MPG……007 FG%…..0.00 3PT FG%…..0.333 FT%…..1.5 RPG…..0.4 PPG

    wow… his first year with us, he was pretty good. I wonder what happened to the guy… even at 7.6 MPG i figured his numbers would better than this…

  • Flavor

    ^^^^^ Correction: .077 FG%

  • TD = BEST EVER

    Ugh!! Spurs are playing WAY too fast right now….. need to slow down the game some…. Stop trying to out run a team that is built to run…… Slow the game down and our size and execution of our offense will dominate them

  • Ruel

    I think we can Win this game tonight against New York Knicks with or without one of their best player? We should give them the honor and proper respect they deserve? They are one of the rising Team in the East this Season and we need to play against them as a Team!!! For the first road game of 2011 Win or Lose Keep Pounding The Rock San Antonio Spurs and give them 48 minutes of Hell Team Defense!!!

  • TD = BEST EVER

    Can someone please tell Tony to pass the ball! And stop taking quick shots from the perimeter(The whole team needs to improve here). We have to either get layups or run some clock in the 2nd half. Let our superior D put the final stamp on this game

  • r.l.manuel

    man o man RJ is terrible tonite
    112-105 knicks
    go spurs go

  • r.l.manuel

    so much for defense tonite
    man that was just awful…
    good game knicks

  • r.l.manuel

    amare is a moron

  • r.l.manuel

    sorry …….
    hes a thug

  • r.l.manuel

    sorry
    lol

  • Flavor

    lets blow up the team. we’re done.

  • TD = Best EVER

    The Spurs fell into the trap tonight of thinking we can beat teams with our Offense. Pop is gonna have to start doing some IN GAME coaching and let the team know that quick sots on O leads to run out and bad D…….. Period….. the Knicks can live with that because its their style. The Spurs can’t……. Spurs had a chance to make a huge statement to the rest of the league today. Especially after last weeks domination from start to finish. So it looks like we are still looking for that Defensive mojo……

    On a different note - did yall see Tim Varner say that Splitter will prob take until next year to finally get more playing time. That he looks lost more often than not out there.

    I don’t know what more disappointing… Not seeing Splitter, or seeing our horrible D

  • DorieStreet

    Didn’t see game but followed game tracker- never led after 31-29 toward end of 1st qtr. If we are going to play this type of game, the one thing we can’t do is turn it over. The TOs in the 2nd & 3rd qtrs allowed the Knicks to run out to 7, 8, & 9 pt. leads-this allowed them to keep control of the game despite us continuing getting within a 2 or 3 pts. The 4th was just NY making their shots while we did not (TD & Neal -horrid shooting when it was needed the most). This is supposed the be the veteran team but 4 of our 5 starters combined for 10 turnovers (NONE by Blair). And guess who committed the other 6? Hill & McDyess. The Knicks had 5 TOs in the 1st half and ONE EACH in the 3rd & 4th qtrs. That’s just plain embarrassing. I’m predicting tomorrow night’s game will be the opposite-slow pace, half court-but if we continue with TOs the final score will be 86-74, Celtics.

  • DorieStreet

    @ TD = Best EVER -

    Both. I can’t help but compare this game with the Heat-Warrior game over the weekend-Miami gave up 72 1st half clamped down on GSW, allowing a 12pt. 3rd qtr & a 23pt. 4th, while they put up 25 & 31 pts., respectively. And with regards to Splitter—deja vu ala RJ last year? I hope not. I say put him out there a given amount of minutes each game to see if he improves. We will need his production— or we’ll have to get it from someone else.

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