by Andrew McNeill
Denmon is a 6’3″ guard from Missouri. That’s about all the information I have on him right now. Here’s his DraftExpress profile. Here is his Twitter feed. Get to know him before summer league.
Yes! Great move by the Spurs – great shooter and solid rebounder from the guard spot. I don’t get the whole “undersized” thing about guards when they get boards and don’t have trouble getting shots up.
Anyway, Wages of Wins have done a great job in the past in predicting high performing players based off college stats (including predicting Jeremy Lin would be good) and their take on this year’s prospects rated Denmon as 11th best in the draft (http://wagesofwins.com/2012/06/25/2012-nba-draft-extravaganza-the-rankings/), so getting him at 59 is obviously a win.
James Brocato wrote more on Denmon here: http://wagesofwins.com/2012/03/05/a-search-for-the-next-jeremy-lin-part-2-marcus-denmon/
eh. anyone else disappointed we didn’t take a flyer on henry sims? i understand that he’s incredibly efficient and a great performer, but couldn’t we have signed denmon as a fa? it’s all about the rights
wasted pick, won’t make the squad, toros just got better
Longshot to make the team, but Neal and others (like Monta Ellis) have shown that a undersized, mildly athletic 2 guard can still be very effective. He has a shot at being a rotation player.
Denmon running with De Colo or Manu at the point is going to be fine, size-wise. The Spurs drafted a guy named Jack McClinton a few years back in the second round who was supposed to be an absolute assassin with his J. I don’t believe he has ever even been invited to training camp with the Spurs. Hopefully Denmon isn’t McClinton 2.0
I agree that it might be better to lock up the rights of an international prospect instead, as the Spurs have done many a time, especially if they can get Denmon like they did Neal through free agency and Lakers weren’t going to pick him #60. However, I think based on Wins Produced numbers, we couldn’t have picked a better player at that number. But yeah, the question is if we could’ve got Denmon and someone’s rights as well.
He actually kind of reminds me of Justin Dentmon, and not in name alone. Both are too small for their positions, sort of tweeners, and can really score. He’ll probably be well served spending some time with the Toros. Doubt he’ll ever amount to much player time, but he has a high basketball IQ and that certainly doesn’t hurt his chances.
In response to the person who said this was a wasted pick…this was the second to last pick of the draft, you are really rolling the dice at this point. You are lucky to find someone who can get a camp invite, much less make the team, at this point.
Not that I disagree with what you’re saying, but the argument against guys that are “undersized” is that they can’t guard guys at their position who are taller or “average.”
Awesome links, though.
Has anyone actually seen him play? He reminds me a little of Steve Francis, except a little less explosive but better shooting and basketball IQ. I think he’s going to be a productive player in this league.
wasted pick because we already have his skill set on the roster and this team has a desperate need for size and athleticism up front. While I agree the next to last pick of the draft is really a crap shot anyway but at least take a chance on someone who can at least fill a need if he does pan out, as it stands even in the best case scenario that he does make the roster he’ll only be the 6th best guard on the team and wouldn’t fill out any need (already have an undersized SG deadly from the outside on the team), better to take that flyer on a big in my opinion.
slightly off topic:
does this start to call into question the FO’s ability to scout big men? i mean we seem to strike gold time and again with smalls, but can’t seem to really nail any bigs. surely we could have used any one of deandre jordan, darrell arthur, or marc gasol (just thinking of bigs that were available relatively late in drafts, to where we had or would’ve had a fighting chance to grab them).
don’t get me wrong, the FO and the stability of the franchise is half the reason i’m a fan, but i gotta call it like i see it. their track record with smalls is peerless, but with bigs… not so much. gotta wonder why this is.
Whose saying that we will actually have his skill set on the roster by the start of the season. Gary Neal/Danny Green might not be here by then, Neal might leave by trade, Green by FA… If Lorbek comes over and we resign Diaw, there is no need for a flyer on a big.
size and athleticism are rare commodities at the end of the second round. Of the three, size, athleticism, and skill, you are likely going to be able to find a player that has only one of those three. While I think it would be great to find an agile big man at the 57th pick, that is not realistic. Drafting someone who has a solid skill that could develop is a sound strategy. I would rather have an undersized guard who can ball than a 7 footer who can’t move. Either way, at pick 57, you are just buying a lottery ticket and hoping to find a gem. You are not drafting for need at that spot.
This would be an ideal trade, and we don’t lose any star players and get the big man we were looking for:
Tough to argue with his production. Got better every year and looks like he can really shoot it. As someone else pointed out, really reminds me of Justin Dentmon. Maybe Denmon can make the transition to PG?
Could have done much worse with #59.
I’m in agreement with some of the posts here that it’s really, really hard to find a big man that can really contribute this low in the draft. If late second-round is a crapshoot, you’ve got a better chance taking odds on a player that can flat-out play than taking a big man that will likely never produce.
Which does remind me, how many great big men have been found late in the second round? I can’t think of many, but at the same time, my brain is working at about 25% capacity right now, so… input?
Also, this makes me think Gary Neal may be gone.
You got one hell of a player San Antonio. The fact that Denmon fell this far in the draft astounds me. He will surprise you in more ways you will imagine. Plus add the fact that he gets to learn from the likes of Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker…this kid will be a beast for years to come
if this kid can turn out to be a more athletic Gary Neal that actually has a shot at guarding a wet paper bag, I’m all for it. Height be damned. I like his rebounding numbers, that’s encouraging.
My thought when I heard about the pick. San Antonio is overloaded at the perimeter so this might have been a wink and nod selection by the Spurs for another team the Spurs have been in contact with regarding a trade.
Whether it be Neal, Green, Denmon or Jackson or a combination of those…this selection has the signs of a trade in the near future.
What is curious is that while height is his big concern, in the Wages of Win writeup on Denmon, it mentions that he played more minutes at SF. With good lateral movement and positioning, it is very possible for an undersized player to be an adequate defender. Not saying that this guy is a lock for anything, but a smart player with a good shot and good shot selection will be able to compete for minutes.
I think this is the most likely possibility, though from what I’ve seen he’s a definite SPURS-type player. We’ll probably know more by Monday once Free Agency opens.
I think the stats and his play warrant bringing him in and putting him on the floor in Vegas.
Denmon can shoot(overall, 3pt, FTs) , rarely turns the ball over,rebounds, and gets steals. If he can play defense better than Neal, he might have a shot at making the team if he picks up the system.
In the long run…may be better than Neal now. And I hate saying it because I’m a HUGE Neal fan. But…I’m a bigger Spurs fan. Could be this is all about positioning for trade as well.
@ andy: Legitimate question. The PF and Cs that suited up during the Duncan era have been free agents that have been servicable for a season or two at best (notable exception: Robert Horry) or through the European draft and stash method, which has provided the Spurs nothing so far (give Tiago Splitter an incomplete).
The FO will have to pick it up in this area, because Tim will gone soon.
Especially if next season is Manu’s last.
It’s time for all of the drafted European players to pack their bags and come to South Texas to start the new Spurs era.
Viva Los-Les-Der-(insert Cyrillic The here) Spurs!
I’ve read/heard of quite a few that really like the Spurs choice here.
Does anyone know what Chad Ford’s Insider grade for our Spurs was?
Sims can still tryout for a team. ae: Spurs
Once free agency starts, I guess the trade efforts will ratchet up; what are the chances Blair is on the roster before the Summer League begins next month?
Whom of the frontcourt players that declared for the draft that did not get picked last night do the Spurs go for?
I also believe he is a good pick up. Seems like a smart player and if can learn the point he can turn out to be very good
The only knock on Denmon is his size. If he can learn the point he will be a steal. He goes to the basket strong. He’s quick and can jump. His jumper is money. He can play d. He’s a good rebounder. What more do you want at 59
Portland was 25th in the league in rebounding as well as being 14th/15th in the league in 3pt. It’s as much assumed that Ferry will more than likely tear down to rebuild. Jackson’s expiring allows Hawks (Ferry) to use as a financial tool for rebuilding. Babbit is in the deal to make happen and is cheap. Reports are Portland “wants” to keep Batum and this allows financial flexibility to do so while also addressing two of their biggest needs on the cheap with Blair and Neal.
If Dramon does become as good as Neal with better defense…Spurs don’t loose out with Neal’s departure. Of course…Green is a favorite of Ferry who as much scripted Green’s existence in San Antonio and is slated to a 2mil qualifying offer. Which…may be something else to think about.
Positive thinking…Regarding Denmon’s perceived size issue…at almost 6’4″ he can add 10 to 15 lbs. muscle without effecting his known strengths while also becoming more durable in the nba.
Spurs extend qualifying offers to Green and Mills
How many legit big men has the FO passed on? It’s a legitimate question till you realize there really haven’t been too many we passed on in the draft or FA. I guess you could argue that we passed on Marc Gasol when we drafted Tiago, but I don’t think even the most optimistic scout could have guessed Gasol was going to lose 100 lbs and become the player he is now. Also, it’s not like Tiago is a bust. He’s a quality NBA rotation big man that we got with a late 1st round pick. Simply getting a player that will be on an NBA roster in 3-4 years at that point is a good pick.
The fact is, legitimate, move-the-needle big men are a rare commodity and are almost always found in the lottery. Seriously, go through each NBA roster and count how many starter-quality big men were picked outside the lottery. It’s slim pickings. That’s also a big reason you see guys like Olowakandi and Eddy Curry go so high – teams are desperate to find the next dominant big. For every Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum that pans out, there’s a dozen that never live up to the hype.
I’d be remiss without pointing out that DeJuan Blair was the first collegiate big the Spurs drafted in years that made the team, but alas, it looks like after his third season his days remaining with the Silver and Black are numbered.
Since the Spurs didn’t address their big man needs during the draft, what’s left is either free agency or trades. This trade can get us Tyson Chandler, all without sacrificing one of the Big Three.
I also think we can sign Earl Clark as a FA since he’s long and can shoot the jumper.
we already have a bunch of SG’s though so I don’t understand bringing on another one. On the other hand with Manu probably retiring next season it probably wouldn’t hurt.
other exception: luis scola. but we know how that ended up, and honestly i really think he only had 2-3 years of being the 2nd-3rd best player on a champ caliber team (though i dare say we could’ve pulled more out of him, just playing with ginobili alone). i thought i’d just give the exception to my hypothesis.
again, i agree splitter could also prove himself, but there are some glaring misses on big men during the spurs tenure (granted many people missed on them), even with our draft position. maybe it’s expecting too much, but i believe our front office is possibly being passed up as the best in the biz by our protegé presti (who i shockingly realized is only 36).
What possible reason would New York have to make that trade? 4 role players with no expiring contracts for one of the best defenders in the league? Why not toss in Matt Bonner and Tiago Splitter and go after LeBron?
You can’t count Scola as a positive; he never even put on a practice jersey as a Spur. He’s exhibit A in how this process has not come through for the Spurs for the most part. The d & s guy the Spurs waited on the longest, yet they fail to land him and he goes on to have a solid, good career with the Rockets so far.
Let me clarify my take on draft and stash: Manu is the first and so far, only success– at guard. And Tony does not qualify as a ‘draft & stash’ player- Spurs drafted him June 2001 and he immediately can over and was on the team for the start of the 2001-02 season.
The draft and stash has definitely worked. We took a future hall of famer at the end of the 2nd round who’s helped lead this team to 3 rings. We’ve also drafted a very good rotation big at the end of the 1st. Not only have we hit, we hit BIG with Manu.
Here’s where there’s a misunderstanding. In 3-4 seasons, out of the 60 guys drafted last night, only 20-25 will still be in the NBA (25 in a GOOD year). Drafting late in the 1st and into the 2nd, odds are you aren’t getting an NBA player. So what if the guy never sees an NBA court, chances are those you passed up weren’t either. It’s only a bad strategy if you pass up NBA talent.
You can’t judge drafting any player (whether it’s a collegiate or a foreigner) just based on that player alone. You have to base it (in part) on that player relative to the others you passed up. For example, if you draft a guy who gives you 10 minutes a game, he might not sound like a great pick until you realize everyone picked after him isn’t in the NBA.
I absolutely hate it when I hear, “Oh, another foreigner, we’ll never see him.” Ok, you’d rather draft a player you’ve heard of, one that comes to camp, yet is quickly cut because he can’t play?
Then it will blow your mind when I tell you Hennigan, Orlando’s new GM and former employee with the Spurs and Thunder is only 30….and he’s gonna be a good one.
“Drafting someone who has a solid skill that could develop is a sound strategy”
exactly now why can’t that skill be rebounding or shot blocking instead of another undersized shooter. I’m not trying to knock dudes game but he brings nothing to the table that’s not already in abundance on the roster, maybe they trade someone and he moves up the depth chart, who knows what plans they have, but barring that it would’ve been better getting another euro to stash over seas. I will stand by my first reaction to hearing his name called, doesn’t have a chance of making this roster, good luck in austin this year because that’s where his ceiling is.
“I would rather have an undersized guard who can ball than a 7 footer who can’t move”.
I would probably agree with this most of the time except this team already has a lot of depth in the backcourt, maybe if he played the point it could be rationalized but even then there is patty mills and the kid that was drafted last year in back up roles(young guards already in development on the roster).
“at pick 57, you are just buying a lottery ticket and hoping to find a gem.”
No argument with that there, I just wish the team would go after players that play in the front court and try to find a gem there instead of year after year drafting the same type players with just different names. You want to round out the roster and the 59th pick is a long shot anyways but at least try to bring in a skill set that’s not already in abundance on the team
@ Tyler: My original post was about the draft and stash not landing a FRONTCOURT player —-power forward or center –of any caliber. The very good rotation player you are speaking of I guess, is Tiago Splitter. Fine–but he was drafted in 2007 but didn’t come over until the 2010-11 season. Think of how much more he could have produced and contributed had he come over for ’07-08, ’08-09 or ’09-10. That is the rub I have with the process. Splitter had put in 8 years of professional, FIBA, and Olympic play and won some individual awards and team championships along the way. He was 22 when the Spurs drafted him. So he spends 3 more years playing overseas- proving what– instead of coming over and getting experience playing NBA ball and learning the Spurs system (with Tim Duncan while he was in his early 30’s.)
I can’t get excited about a drafted or acquired rights player for the Spurs when I don’t know when- or if -he will actually come over and be on the team.
BTW, now that I know the #30 pick turned into Festus Ezeli, I’m a lot less enthused about the Jefferson/Jackson deal–mainly because I’m a Vanderbilt grad.
Your logic is sound and you present very good comparison/argument to the contrary of some very sound thoughts of others with different pov’s. However…it’s been a long standing belief and exposed area that the team could use another complimentary big more so than another perimeter player. So I think the scratch the head mentality is…why did the Spurs select (according to your logic) in the late second round a player that more than likely doesn’t make roster in the nba over a player of need on the roster who may or may not pan out but in the least addresses more of a concern than the player drafted?
And I am not criticizing the organization for doing so because I don’t have inside knowledge of their reasons for doing so which may pan out to be positive for the team via Denmon may possibly turn out to be better than most are thinking or the team could possibly have reasons of trade in mind that we are not privy to until that trade happens.
In the end…you are correct that the majority of late second round picks don’t pan out. But there were a couple of big men who I thought may have been worth a try…Sims and the Lakers pick just after the Spurs in Sacre.
Until then…there’s always invites to trials and summer league.
Interesting report that WILL effect Spur’s attempt to landing free agents this off season.
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