Spurs-Timberwolves postgame show

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We go live following the San Antonio Spurs’ road loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

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  • DorieStreet

    Looks like the Spurs will be a  mediocre at best/losing (again) to a sub .500 team on the road.
    Twolves were 8-10 overall and 4-6 at home before tonight’s game.

  • DorieStreet

    Going scoreless the final 3:22 of the game  —  ????????!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Well…. caught the broadcast late again.  But some good points.

    Would you say Duncan shot too much tonight after having his shot not fall consistently during the game.  And why did they differ away from Tiago in the post when it was working effectively earlier?

  • bakedroll
  • Easy B

    We are like the Knicks it seems – not enough post scoring, totally reliant on shooting well from the perimeter, and without Manu, lacking the creativity to offset the weak interior scoring.
    I’m pretty solid on pop and his methods, but it seems like he isn’t changing enough to meet the challenges of younger, deeper, and more athletic teams. Green has created a solid defensive niche for us, but we need the emergence of Leonard to continue. Keep throwing him at the best players in the league.
    On another note, I hope Anderson’s non extension is a cap flexibility thing, and I suspect it is. It is a huge FA class this year, and you are seeing a lot of mid level players having to wait til off season to get extensions.
    It does look like the mavs have positioned themselves well. The spurs perimeter looks good when everyone is healthy, but, to kick a tired theme, an upgrade of our big rotation is needed. Hopefully we can do something similar to what the pacers did in getting west.

  • Lvmainman

    Kaman is not that good, especially to rent for $14 million. He can make the 15-18 ft jumper, but is terrible around the basket and posting up. He’s soft defensively. I’d much rather resign Rasho than Kaman. I’ll pass.

    Get Kenyon Martin, Fesenko, on the cheap to rent. Forget Kaman. Or trade for a Speights, Randolph, Thompson type. Can’t stand Kaman’s game.

  • bakedroll

    yea. the only postive i really see in him is the fact that he is a salary dump at seasons end, but i doubt that new orleans would trade one bad contract for the other (jefferson) considering jefferson pretty much has to be in it to square the deal…

  • Anonymous

    The Spurs gave up a 3 pointer in the 4th quarter if I’m not mistaken off of a feed from Pekovic (I’m not even sure that’s his name) after Leonard decided to double team him, but he found the open guy and he hit the wide open 3.

    The day that the Spurs decided to double team a guy called Pekovic (even if only for one play) is a dark and gloomy day. The guy got 8 points on Timmy in the third quarter. Another very worrying sign.

    Our defense to close out the game was atrocious. There was a possession where the Spurs deflected the ball out of bounds and the Wolves had 4 seconds or less on the shot clock. Love received the in-bound pass at the three point line and took it all the way to the basket without facing any kind of resistance. Splitter was guarding him on the play. I don’t remember if Kawhi was in the game at the time, but I’d have him guard Love on that one possession because I doubt Love could have taken him all the way to the basket.

  • Anonymous

    T-wolves are and up and coming sub .500 team.  Losses this year by them have been by a close margin affair.  They’re going to be really good in the next year or two.

    Spurs are a declining above .500 team with parts to the equation needing to be filled.  Main part…somebody that can replace Duncan to go alongside a rising Splitter.

    Sad to witness but I think even if this were a regular season… we may be seeing the most Duncan can effectively contribute is 20 mpg or less.  His decline in production when on the floor longer than 15 to 18 minutes a game is abysmal.  It’s not a steady decline either…it’s a sheer drop off a high cliff.

  • Thomasholdren

    Several things the analysts on here can agree on:

    1. Dejuan Blair had the HIGHEST +/- on the team so he DEFINITELY deserves an A+ from last nights game! 

    2. Tony Parker can “lead” the Spurs to wins and never gets “outplayed” by the opposing pg. Even though it is interesting that tony’s man scores as much as tony scores each game. 

    3. Tony Parker Does Come through in the 4th. Lets see here…. 

    3 minutes to go Neal puts us up 79-77 with a 3…. Tony fouls Rubio, who ties the game, Tony then misses a J, 
    Rubio comes back and hits a 2 (81-79 Minn) Rubio then assists on a bucket by love (83-79)…. Tony fouls and misses a 3

    Again to the people who talk about “tony makes all kinds of big plays” No he doesnt. Tony makes solid plays in 3 qtrs of basketball (on offense) then he ALWAYS lets his man come up big at the end of close games and stinks it up offensively. 

    4. We dont need any more people who can score, we just need a defender who can play alongside Duncan. Thats just what we need. That way we can continue to have no offensive threat or answers to any team. Great observations. 

  • Thomasholdren

    since when did leonard become capable of stopping ANYONE from scoring? 

    To close out the game there was one player doing it all. Ricky Rubio, Thats terrible. Hes a frail little pre-teen girl with minimal shooting skill and no explosion. Watching him make tony his girlfriend was about the funniest thing in the world. Tony is a glamour girl and needs to go. Im tired of all the SOFT players in SA. = TIM TIAGO RJ BONNER JEFFERSON. Its disgusting to watch grown men be afraid of contact or intimidated by other grown men. 

  • Anonymous

    Tony is playing a lot of minutes with TJ out. You have to put that in consideration. He’s not a machine. But the real reason we lost was not because of defense. 87 points? You can win with 87 points. Here’s the real reason and you know it: Duncan 2-12, BLAIR 0-2, Leonard 1-4, Green 1-3. That’s 17 missed shots. Hell if they made 8 shots out of those guys combined misses you wouldn’t be bitching about Tony Parker today. He made half his shots. That was enough for him last night can’t say the same about the others I mentioned. Take your Tony Parker nonsense out of here.

  • Anonymous

    Where is your mind? Are you some kid hiding from your parents in the closet with your laptop? You make no sense. Get off this blog if your not going to make an intelligent post. Just a reminder BLAIR 0-2! Are you serious! Really?

  • Anonymous

    Better yet from here on out I’m going to save my keystrokes and refrain from replying to you.

  • Anonymous

    We need to be real here. We’re not getting Speights, Randolph, or Thompson right now this season. Realistically Martin and Kaman are the only alternatives for this season. I wouldn’t want a long contract from neither but if they get a short one for Kaman then maybe it’s possible. As for Martin I don’t want to see an old 6’9″ has been on our team when we’re trying to get better and younger. Sorry I pass. Besides the Chinese Flying Tigers didn’t seem too upset in him leaving.

  • Anonymous

    Dead right Dorie Especially with 4 of our players going 4-24 on the game. Poor Timmy had a bad night in the scoring category. But Blair should get a A+ for going 0-2. Right Thomas. Right.

  • Anonymous

    Keep adding 2 nights rest for Duncan and 20 minutes per game. We probably almost have no choice but to go after Kaman now only if they feel they can make some noise in the playoffs but only if it’s a short contract. The reality is finally sinking in. Love Timmy but we need to move forward after this season. I don’t see having to bandaid around Timmy. He can give us 15-20 good  minutes next season as you stated if he decides to stick around and take up a roster spot. I’m good with that but at an affordable contract.

  • ZeusVizzle

    The outcome of these games is getting unbearable to watch. This can all be chalked up to the recently questionable coaching/front offices decisions being made and it couldn’t be made more apparent on the court.

    1.) We need a 5th big who could play solid defense and score: Need unaddressed.
    2.) We have 3 old all-stars, 1 of which (TP) can be traded for said big man: Need unaddressed.
    3.) We needed to extend a former 22ppg college standout, one who also needed PT to improve: Need unaddressed.
    4.) We had a bevy of free agents come in and receive very low-ball offer because of frugal owner: Need unaddressed.
    5.) We thus have a frugal owner scarred because of horrendous RJ deal (which will never pay dividends) and he only offers mere pittance to everyone (even to Tiago–who sadly enough is out-paid by Bonner!).
    6.) We also rely too much on Danny Green, who has already hit his ceiling and intermingles 10+ppg with 2ppg frequently.

    We will not win a championship as currently constructed; however, if we are to compete we have to abandon either trying to win it all or trying to rebuild. It’s become increasingly difficult to do both. We either trade our ’12 draft pick and some of our youth for help now, or we trade TP to get youth/draft pick, amnesty RJ after season, and start with cap space next year for a title run in the future with young, rebuilding pieces.

    I mean, its just impossible to get a Chris Kaman for an atrocious RJ contract, or to sign Kenyon Martin for D-League money. Our FO has its hands tied behind its back because our owner doesn’t want to spend anything. I mean, its hard to compete for a championship when your team is using a Moneyball type of player analysis that bring you in a Gary Neal & Tiago Splitter for nothing, and no other free agent in their right mind would choose that money (and this offseason nobody did).

    If we stay on course we will be exactly who we think we are: A middling Western conference team, a non-contender who just stays above water and will eventually become the Pacers who were never good enough to get a good playoff spot and never bad enough to reach for a helpful lottery pick. We are in limbo and need a fix now. Ginobili coming back isn’t going to cure all of our ills. The coaching is definitely not going to improve (when you have two small bigs trying to defend Zach Randolph & Marc Gasol even today, especially when we saw that didn’t work in last year’s playoffs) you know you have a problem.

    A change needs to happen now. We’ll just have to wait and see.

  • paul

    my incessant need to ask for more playing time for james anderson will not cease.  however, it has caused me to miss out on a bigger picture: we cannot go to the playoffs with a big man corps of tim duncan, tiago splitter, matt bonner, and dejuan blair.  this just cannot happen unless splitter gets REALLY good REALLY fast.  he is basically our only high quality big man right now by league standards.  blair and bonner are liabilities in the playoffs (as past experience as proven) and duncan is neutral at best at this point.  however, we do have a glut of wings and guards (jefferson, neal, green, anderson, jefferson, joseph, parker, ginoboli, tj ford).  there is no way all these guys get playing time in the playoffs.  tj ford to me cannot be traded at this point because he is the only real point guard we have.  jefferson cannot be traded for contract reasons.  ginoboli cannot be traded.  you can argue that we can’t trade joseph because of his future potential.  everyone else should be fair game.  i don’t even expect to get a chris kamen but lets get somebody.  and i’m willing to give up blair and/or bonner. 

  • paul

    i wouldn’t worry too much about the minutes right now.  according to the espn minutes per game stats (as of before the wolves game) there are 53 NBA players who average more minutes per game right now than tony parker, the spurs player who averages the most minutes on the team with 32.9. Our next highest minutes per game guy is richard jefferson who comes in at 77th in the league in this category. After that tim duncan who comes in ranked 109th in the league with 26.9 minutes per game.  i personally think pop is doing a better job of controlling minutes (and thats considering how long he hasn’t had tj ford and ginoboli) than any coach in the NBA

  • paul

    i completely agree with nearly everything you are saying however we both know that we would win more of these games with a healthy manu.  thats just a fact.  and even if the spurs front office had handled some of things you are discussing better, we would probably lose more of these games than we would like without manu.  thats just what it is.  i’ve been all over the anderson/green issue (even though this won’t be as big of an issue once manu returns) but now i realize the problems with the front court are just a bigger core issue (even when manu gets back).  

  • Lvmainman

    Great article on nba.com about the Spurs corner 3 pt shooting.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/01/28/film-study-spurs-from-the-corner/

  • Hobson13

    Even though we are currently 4th in the West, we are only 2 games ahead of the 10th placed team.  With 11 of our next 14 games on the road, I fear we may be looking at 10 place or even lower by the end of February.  At this point, I am almost 100% convinced that this season is a lost cause with regards to being any sort of contender.

    However, I actually think we can rebuild somewhat quickly.  Assuming Duncan retires and we amnesty RJ (which appears a certainy in my book), our total salary commitments for next year would be approximately $37million (give or take $1mil).  If the cap is $58mil next year, then we would have huge flexibility to sign at least one really good player and several other nice role players.

  • TD BestEVER

    But who in they right mind wants to play for POP……. No young and up and coming player wants to come her and get yelled at all day and night.  And the Vets want to win, the ONLY way we land anybody of note will be to VASTLY over pay or hope TD keeps playing.

  • Hobson13

    I could be wrong, but I could definitely see Pop retiring after this year if Duncan leaves.  In fact, since we are barely a playoff caliber team, I think virtually everything’s on the table this summer and we could see an entirely different team next year.

  • TD BestEVER

    Sorry….It doesn’t matter what happened before the stretch run.   We were up 2 points with 3 minutes and change…… And went Ice cold including your boy TS…….. Also we couldn’t stop Rubio/Love late in that game.  That is also TS/TP.   So lets not look to our offense as reasons why we couldn’t play better Defense down the stretch. And his minutes are just fine, he is 29 not 39. 

  • TD BestEVER

    In fairness to TD…Pekovic is 290POUNDS…….. and only 26.   TD at 35 should not have to wrestle men of that size.   That’s why we suck, Our FO has let TD become a Center insrtead of goingout and getting a center like they should have years ago.   Now when TD retires it will be TS trying to guard Pekovic and failing just as bad.   You can’t give up 50lbs to a player in this league and it not completely break you down.  We need to get bigger and needed it 3 years ago.

  • TD BestEVER

    Why are you constatly talking about what happed DURING the game…..ALL that 4-24 (or whatever it was)was erased when we were up 2 with 3 minutes and change.   We had our BEST DEFENSIVE LINEUP in the game(that many people have been calling for).  And they did NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!  I hav ebeen saying it and will keep saying it, I want to see the TS defensive numbers to show me that he is a defensive STUD……….

    On offense, you have to give credit where it’s due.  Shooting 75% from the field is just PLAIN NASTY.    But his D is overrated and not better than TD’s by any means.  With the expection of his lateral movement on PnR.  But he doens’t stop dribble penertrartion or protect the rim.

  • TD BestEVER

    That’s because he has to gaurd 300 LBS BEAST.  If Tiago had to guard Bynum/Pekovic/M. Gasol. Etc he wouldn’t look nearly as good either.  It’s hard to produce on offense when you have to work so hard on D.   TD should have a legit Center beside him to make this transition easier.  But as of now he Still DOES ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR THIS TEAM AT 35.

  • DorieStreet

    I could see him leaving after 2012-13, when most of the vets (Duncan, RJ, Parker, Bonner, Ford). will be gone. Pop won’t leave if the team fails to make the playoffs this year. He would want to see the transition through and leave his successor a decent squad. Or will he say ” the vineyards can wait” and keep going ala Jerry Sloan?

    Looks as if 30-35 games into the season before we have any idea where the Spurs will be at in the western conference race. OKC and DEN are the only teams with a good road record–heck, they are the ONLY teams in the west with a WINNING road record.

  • http://radsci.uthscsa.edu/index.php/User:Nima Nima K.

    I don’t think TD will leave. That’s just not him. He might take a paycut though. I don’t see Pop leaving though either. But he may surprise us, if the season gets lost. I’m wondering if coach Bud will be taking over.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link. It is an interesting story.  Always wondered why they set up the corner 3 more so than the straight line 3 from the arch.  Now we know.

  • Anonymous

    El Conclusion????

  • http://radsci.uthscsa.edu/index.php/User:Nima Nima K.

    But I agree with the above poster: If Peter Holt doesn’t want to spend money, then there’s not much we can hope for, except for being constant playoff fodder for years to come. 

  • Thomasholdren

    you have never played sports competitively have you?

    the reason we lost is not the 0-whatever, HAD YOU WATCHED THE GAME YOU WOULD KNOW WE WERE WINNING…

    The reason we lost is exactly what I said at the beginning of the year. TP and crew cant hold it down in crunch time because we cant score. TP lost the game. PERIOD. Rubio went off the last three minutes, and hes not very good. 

  • Bentley

    This season is only an example of what we all knew.

    This team goes only as far as Manu takes it, and every time he gets hurt, we go nowhere

  • DorieStreet

    Me thinks the organization have in their mind what the Bulls went through post-Jordan (the 2nd time).
    Those first six seasons (’99-’04) that franchise went through a lot of upheaval—shedding some of  their championship veterans too quickly, acquiring  young talent (Elton Brand,  Ron Artest, Marcus Fizer, Jamal Crawford) then swapping them for younger talent (high schoolers Tyson Chandler and Eddie Curry), coaching & GM changes, multiple-player trades and free agent acquisitions. But they became a playoff team again during the latter part of the 2000s; after going through a lot of players during that time, they are now a legitimate title contender.
    Our franchise leadership is intact and stable. so maybe “playoff fodder” years will be fewer than you think.
    Although some fans will say the Spurs are that type of team now- one 2nd-round and two first-round exits the last 3 seasons.

  • DorieStreet

    Maybe the 48MOH staff is revamping the grading process of their post-game report—I have noticed growing criticism of their player evaluations from us fans. (Are the grades an individual exercise by whoever happens to cover the game?

  • Bob

    I agree. The Spurs haven’t got a legitimate center on their roster since Elson and Oberto days. Both Splitter and TD are really PF/C. Ideally they should pick up a C or C/PF like Chandler.

  • Bob

    Rubio has the point guard ability to control the game Parker hasn’t learned yet. It basically means you control the tempo and get the shots you want every time down the floor.

  • Bob

    No reason for the Spurs to pay more than 5mil for a sf unless he’s an allstar. The sf role on the Spurs is defense and 3 pt shooting. They should be spending more money on bigs and pg’s.

  • Bob

    Splitter is good but with just an old TD and Splitter it isn’t enough. They need at least one more big if someone gets in foul trouble.

  • Bob

    I think the Spurs need to go in a different direction if Pop leaves. I can’t trust a coaching staff that is ok with Bonner playing so many minutes.

  • TD BestEVER

    On a side note…..why did the SPURS let go of Drew Gooden. (23/8 vs the lakers)  The Bucks just beat down the Lakers WITHOUT Bogut or Jackson playing.  Yes without 2 of their best 3 players. Because they have a DEEP team with alot of interchangeable parts, and they play GREAT TEAM DEFENSE!!!!

  • Hobson13

    I don’t recall Gooden ever really playing that well in his short time with the Spurs.  Besides, would the Spurs have really wanted to pay for a player who had already played for 6 different teams in such a short career?  Furthermore, for a guy with his size and athleticism, he has Matt Bonner like defensive skills.  IMO, Stephen Jackson walking on us may was the real hurt.  I think this may have cost the Spurs at least 1 championship.

  • TD BestEVER

    I agree with you about Jackson, but Gooden Defense is better than many give him credit for.  IMO his talent was well worth the price to keep him.  Maybe if we had we wouldn’t have needed to resign RJ/Bonner.  He would have given us the scoring and rebounds that we need and I’m sure playing in our system a full year would have done wonders for his Defense.

  • Anonymous

    Talk to Blair about that because he starts with him and Pop is still trying to make that work.

  • Anonymous

    Tiago has the higest FG % in the league. Those guys on the pre game show aren’t just throwing up lies. Check for yourself. Sorry dude you just can’t expect to win if your shooting a crappy % for the game. Like I said 87 points for the opposition and you should be winning games. It should had never come to being a close game if they make half their shots in this game. Your just covering up a bad offensive game on Timmy’s and Blair’s part. Sorry if you can’t score 88 points in that game then you deserve to loose. 
    Face it Timmy and Blair sucked on offense last night.

  • Anonymous

    Good point STIJL also when Tiago was on the floor with Timmy, Timmy was missing from the outside and taking more shots than Tiago  and missing them. That took away from what Tiago was doing in the low block. Timmy doesn’t have to be the focal point on offense if Tiago is performing well in the low block.
    It’s like Sean Elliot has been saying for the last 8 games keep going to the low block in Tiago and ride that wave all night long.

  • Anonymous

    So we now we need to go get a slow 300 lb center to satisfy you?