Tall Brazilian: “I’ve always wanted to visit the River Walk”

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(Ed. Note: Mea culpa. Originally I incorrectly referred to Tiago as a Spaniard, but a few of our beloved commenters took the time to note my mistake.)

Ok, Tiago Splitter didn’t really say that. But Josean Quereta, president of Caja Laboral, Splitter’s Spanish Club, did say Splitter wants to play in the NBA.

Via the Express-News:

Quereta said he understands it is Splitter’s “intent and desire” to join the NBA next season.

Splitter, the Spurs’ 2007 first-round draft pick and the MVP of the Spanish League this season, “wants to compete in the best league in the world,” Quereta said.

Hey, don’t the Spurs own his rights? Does that mean, if he comes to the NBA, he’ll have to play for San Antonio? I’d be cool with that.

  • Brian

    Me too!!

  • Rey

    I really dunno about that.

    I’ve been following the news about the free agency and the draft more than the NBA Finals, and all I’ve been reading about is the rumor about the Tony Parker (potential) trade and the overhype about this guy.

    But the way I’m observing his behavior, while there is genuine desire for him to play in the NBA, I don’t think he wants to play for the Spurs. The way he’s been delaying things (a la LeBron) and how he sounds like he’s trying to make himself sweeter and much sought about, I think that we got here a prima donna in the making – definitely not a Spurs kind of guy. If his rights were drafted by some big-market team (e.g., New York, L.A.), I think he wouldn’t even be doing this and he’ll be probably playing in the NBA since one year ago. “Unfortunately” for him, he got drafted by a gritty, small-market team that’s more about the game than the image.

    With the kind of attitude he’s showing, do we really want this kind of guy in our team? Yes, he’s talented, but so is LeBron. I see a egoistic person who wants the attention to himself. Looking at the traditional Spurs – Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Hill and Blair – these are people whose concern is to win games, and not to be the center of the league.

    Sure, I want him to be in the NBA as the apprentice (like Duncan was with Robinson), but I’d rather be holding my breath for the 20th pick than this guy.

    I’m fervently hoping that I’m wrong about him. I’d be happy to retract my opinion on him if I see a person who’s hell-bent on proving himself a capable player in the NBA whose main concern is getting that trophy and his ring, rather than the hype.

  • Aron

    I’m ok either way…either he plays for us, or is part of a sign and trade. Splitter to the NBA is nothing but upside for the Spurs.

  • http://espn.com Jacob

    Rey,

    I smell what you’re steppin’ in, but are we sure the delay is Tiagos’ and not the Spurs “lets see what we get with the draft first” attitude that doing the holding up?

  • Kevin

    Good point Aron! Either way the Spurs win, right?

  • http://airalamo.com b.diddy

    Rey, here’s the deal with Splitter…he was given a massive contract by his current team that the Spurs couldn’t match because they were tied to the rookie scale. At the time his sister was very ill so the money to help care for her was important.

    The guy’s no slouch though, he was smart enough to ask for an early buy-out clause should his situation change. The clause is structured in such a way that to go play for an NBA team the amount would be X number of dollars, but to go play for another European team then the buy-out would be four times that. Seems to me that his agent did a good deal working with the team to help make Tiago’s dreams on playing in the NBA a bit easier.

    As for the “attitude” he’s been showing, there’s a reason why he’s been non-committal and vague…he’s been playing in the frickin’ playoffs. One does not talk about next year when there are still games to be played this year.

    I have no idea if Splitter is coming to the Spurs, I hope so, but I don’t think what we’ve seen from him off the court as of late is any sort of red flag to be worried about.

  • TJ

    If he can produce like a Pau Gasol it might turn us into contenders.

  • Buckets

    The Spurs future rests with Splitter. An NBA championship requires a player with length and skill. Amen

  • spursfanbayarea

    Splitter to Spurs…..Can anyone say CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

  • Maverick1948

    When we drafted him, 27 spots had gone by. The teams knew he was not coming to the NBA because of his sister. He was only 22 then. He is now 25 with 3 more years of pro play in Europe. We took the pick and lived with it. Now he is coming to the NBA here or no where. >>•If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player’s draft rights for one year after the player’s obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team’s team salary during the regular season while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.<< that is from the CBA maybe that will tell you TS is ours till 1 yr after his european contract ends.

  • Tiago

    Splitter is Brazilian,you stupid yankee!

  • zack

    i think splitter will def. come to the spurs, first of all hes not going to tell his fans “i really am thinking whether or not to play for the nba next year” MIND U he said this the next day after winning a championship. if you put yourself in his shoes, hes trying to break it to the fans and people easy over there. he is also prob behind that whole speech the caja president made, about supporting splitter and almost encourages splitter to join san antonio this year!!!
    @REY if you think splitter wants to play for another team your crazy san antonio is much like a euro teamin the nba taking on the “cocky americans ” hahaha manu ginobili is a Lengend in europe and they highly respect the spurs org. and im sure san antonio has been great with splitter and very understanding, have no doubt if hes playing for anybody in the nba its us. were if not the most loved team in europe i believe

    another thing is RC doesnt just say hes bringing people over while being uncertain, as he said earlier this year “theres a very very good chance tiago will be with us next year” RC and tiago have prob made the deal sometime ago and RC didnt want to jinx or overreact but knew this was going to happen for some time now.
    mark my words tiago will be a spur ill even put money on him being a life time spur this guy gets better every year he plays!!!!!

  • David

    Also, Tiago is Brazilian, not Spanish, while I don’t think he’s at either Gasol’s level, he should certainly be an improvement over Bonner and McDyess (regular season at least)

  • DIGID

    I went to http://www.espn.com a few minutes ago and saw the headline, “Sparks’ Parker (shoulder) sidelined for season.” I know it’s June, but at first glance, this scared the shit out of me.

  • *SONofSAN*

    Tiago is an idiot if he dosent want to come play for the SPURS! dosent he realize that if he’s that good and can make a big impact, the torch might be passed to him and he could be the next face of the franchise and that means alot of $$$$$$$$$$ not to metion he might learn a few things from some nba legends(#50, #21)!!!!!!

  • Easy B

    Splitter and a veteran point guard and we are rolling next year…..bad luck celts…giving away all those early off rebs was the real nail in the coffin…they should have simplified their offence in the final quarter..ala 2 man ball with pierce and KG or Rondo and KG. Hindsight is a wonderful, bitter thing.

  • http://mysa.com RO

    Damn Lakers!

  • ali

    Splitter in Spurs = Chmapionship. ASSUMING THE BIG 3 R HEALTHY. look the only reason Lakers won was due 2 rebounding. Tiago and an improved deJaun could do that. which makes one wonder does TD have one more year left in the tank. Just one more year, gand a healthy TP and Manu, along with rj, tiago, blair, Dyss, Hill and another SF=championship.
    I don’t know what to amke of this day, being in LA and watching those Lakers win(btw did u c how much more ft they got?) or hearing about Thiago

  • Tyler

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

    We haven’t even signed him and although the reports are that he’d like to come over this summer, I think it’s a little premature to start preparing for next year’s championship celebration.

    And while I think he’s going to be a solid player for the organization, if our expectations are for him to be the next Pau Gasol, I think we’ll be disappointed. That’s not an indictment of Tiago, it’s just not fair to compare him to one of the 2-3 best post players in the world right now.

    And while Tiago might (help) fill our glaring need for another big body down low, let’s not forget we still have several more holes to fill. And without progress in those directions, we still could very well end up in the same place as last year.

  • http://wallmart.com roboSID

    Good for the Lakers.They didnt hate us they replicated us TWIN TOWERZ.Welcome home Tiago weve waited to get married for a long time an if it takes a shot gun so be it.PHX ,SA have learned tradeing 3 shooters an 2 post men for 4 shooters an a post man dosent work/becauzzz you have 4 men taking low% shots an one guy taking a high%shot”dunks”vs 3 men taking low % shots an 2 guys taking high % shots”dunks”.I saw Tiago play 3 years ago w3as wowed an now i havent seen him play realy any big guys so i dont know what to think of him.scola looked bigger standing next to him.If he realy is 7ft 250 then get him.Hes been playing long enough to have mental toughness wich is hard to find via every center we had since DAVID

  • http://wallmart.com roboSID

    Paul Gorge in draft is a must i dont care whAT IT TAKES

  • DieHardSpur

    I believe you guys are missing the boat.

    Tiago is an INCREDIBLE post player. Probably top 10 in the world. I have watched alot of this guy since we drafted him 2 years ago…GREAT ball player in all aspects. He makes great decisions, is an excellent finisher in the paint, and is a very good passer for his position (almost as good as Timmy). You can look at his numbers and say they are not up to par compared to the NBA, but you have to go on percentages in this case. Euroleage ball is much slower than in the NBA. The amount of possessions are just over half as many as in the NBA. If you translated his effective scoring, passing, rebounding, and assists to NBA pace… I would lowball to say he would be an 20-10-2-3 kinda guy with the last two stats being blocks and then assists.

    His defence is also highly underrated. He averages drawing 3.4 charges per game. His P&R defense is textbook. He will never be the STELLAR shot blocker/rim defender that Timmy and David were, but that doesn’t make him a sub-par defender.

    He also has the innate ability to get his defender into foul trouble! Both by taking charges and by forcing a bad shot under the arm of a cheating defender. This is the main reason they won the last finalse game. Tiago had Pete Mickeal (Barca’s #1 defender) in foul trouble the entire series and actually made him foul out just short of overtime in the final game.

    Enough of my ranting about how good he is… I just cant wait for him to get here and prove all you doubters wrong!

  • mws

    splitter will provide a some extra rebounding and another big body but he’s not a shot blocker. I would like him to play a back up role to Duncan and for the Spurs to bring in an athletic guy to block shots and guard the rim. No matter, Splitter will be an upgrade on the offensive side of the ball.

  • doggydogworld

    “He averages drawing 3.4 charges per game.”

    Are you sure? That’s a ridiculous number.

  • Hobson13

    I agree with what many have already posted in regards to the Twin Tower approach. I won’t rehash my arguments from last time, but the Boston-LA finals was a HUGE testament to what big, physical playoff ball is all about. I haven’t seen a game that grinding, physical, and low scoring in a couple years and both teams were dishing out blows because they had multiple bigs with size and length. Quickness and speed are great assets, but it appears to me that they come less and less into play the deeper one goes into the playoffs. (I don’t have stats to back this up, it’s just a personal observation after years of watching ball)
    We wouldn’t have stood a chance against either front the LA or Boston front line. Bonner would have been knocked on his ass in a nanosecond. McDyess (while tough and strong) wouldn’t have been able to cope with the size and length. Duncan back in the day could have dished out trouble, but now I’m not sure he would have held up too well against the physical nature of either team. Parker and Manu would have had great difficulty getting to the rim and even more difficulty finishing over 7-footers. This would have forced them into being jumpshooters; a hit or miss proposition for the Spurs at best. The Spurs have a history of winning physical playoff basketball, but this year we got bounced by a team of jumpshooters with no back-to-the-basket postman.

    My point is that we MUST sign Splitter, but even signing him doesn’t guarantee we can compete with those two. We are a long way from catching the top dogs and I think our roster changes have to be so great this summer that it will take a year for the team to fully gell. We need Splitter, at least one 3pt ace, and at least 2 QUALITY bench players. I wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to moving up in the draft to get a top flight big for Duncan to mentor. I love Tiago, but at 25, his upside has been largely realized. Thoughts, ideas, or suggestions?

  • DieHardSpur

    I was on the acb website and ran into a bunch of great stats. That was one that I couldn’t believe either. If you ever watch him play, it’s evident.

  • mtmoulton
  • manufan

    We need to go ahead and see if New Jersey is willing to give up their 3rd pick for Tony and dump off 12,6 millions. Draft big , Favors or Cousins. Then bring in Splitter and Nando de Colo. Finaly, via free agency go after Corver,Raja Bell, Mike Miller kind of a player. For me that would be perfect ofseason development.

  • Hobson13

    manufan
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:11 am
    “We need to go ahead and see if New Jersey is willing to give up their 3rd pick for Tony and dump off 12,6 millions. Draft big , Favors or Cousins.”

    One idea I found interesting would be a Parker for Devin Harris and #3 trade. This would give NJ a star that could help the Nets lure another big name FA this summer. Harris is a poor mans TP so he would fit in our system and Parker would probably fit in Avery’s system. It was also brought to my attention that Avery Johnson and Devin Harris had their differences in Dallas. I don’t know the likelihood of this trade happening, but from a Spurs perspective, this would be good.

  • Jim Henderson

    Tyler
    June 18th, 2010 at 6:03 am

    My sentiments exactly.

    Hobson13
    June 18th, 2010 at 7:27 am

    “My point is that we MUST sign Splitter, but even signing him doesn’t guarantee we can compete with those two. We are a long way from catching the top dogs and I think our roster changes have to be so great this summer that it will take a year for the team to fully gell.”

    I agree.

    manufan
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    For one thing, Parker is a much better fit with an already established playoff team or better. And second, I’m not sure I would trade Parker for a top five pick, because you’re giving up a proven 3-time all-star for an unproven draft pick that has just a 30% chance of becoming a one-time all-star or better at some point during his career. A risky proposition in my book.

    Also, Korver & Miller are beyond our price-tag. Bell is a more feasible option.

  • idahospur

    Some team in the West needs to do something so I don’t have to see the Lakers in the Finals anymore. 3 years straight is plenty, thanks.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    June 18th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    “One idea I found interesting would be a Parker for Devin Harris and #3 trade.”

    That is a deal I would strongly consider, but I doubt the Nets would, unless they felt strongly that they could also sign someone like Amare, Boozer, or David Lee once free agency kicked in. Possible, but probably not that likely, and if they can’t land a big free agent, how well does Parker fit in with a team in building mode? That said, former Spur Avery Johnson as the Nets new coach probably does lift the deal from “highly unlikely” to “within reason”, because I’m quite sure Johnson fully values what Parker has to offer. Also, Parker could be that team leader that “buys” into Avery’s system and management style (since it’s not that much different than Pop’s), which apparently is something that before long got him into trouble in Dallas. Avery clearly needs a team leader to “back him up”, because his coaching style is demanding. What better guy than a 3-time all-star point guard with THREE championships under his belt. If the Nets want to go from an “improved, sub-500 team not in the playoff hunt” (without Parker) to a team “contending to get to the eighth seed or better quickly”, then trading for Parker and signing a top FA is certainly worthy of consideration (for the Spurs, the deal would depend on whether Favors is available at #3 – I might balk if it was Cousins).

  • D-Beast

    Tiago is VERY good. He’s the best center in Europe, he’s got a very good post game, he’s athletic, and he can also defend. The Spurs absolutely need this guy, I’ve been watching him play and he looks like he can easily make the transition to the NBA.

    I know the Euro-league sometimes produces soft centers but Tiago is far from a soft player, he plays a very physical game and so did the people he was playing against. When he’s around the basket he can score with a variety of post moves, he also makes extremely tough shots. Not only was he a better player than Marc Gasol in Europe but his ceiling looks to be much higher than M-Gasol’s.

    His offense is sort of like Pau Gasol’s while his defense is like Anderson Varejao’s, (Varejao is a excellent defender btw, 2nd team all defense)

    At 7’0 250lbs he can guard guys like Pau Gasol, Bosh, Dirk, and other athletic big men while altering and blocking shots in the paint.

  • http://espn.com Jacob

    @jim

    last post, spot on.

  • Hobson13

    Jim Henderson
    June 18th, 2010 at 10:16 am
    “for the Spurs, the deal would depend on whether Favors is available at #3 – I might balk if it was Cousins.”

    First of all, you do make good points regarding Parker and Avery Johnson. Like you said, this trade may not be likely, but it is much more probable with Avery as head coach. As far as Cousins goes, I am particularly conflicted. On one hand, he didn’t interview that great. He has also been know to be socially immature and have attitude problems. With those issues also come the fact that he is not an explosive leaper and will therefore probably never be a great shot blocker. I suppose the real question is whether he has real attitude issues or simply issues that arise due to being a 19 yrs old idiot??

    On the other hand, he is easily the most NBA ready big in the entire draft. One can’t teach size and Cousins has this in spades. On top of this, he is a very skilled ballplayer for his size. In a recent workout with the Kings he made 78% of his 200 shots. He could play for most teams in the NBA and make an immediate impact. Favors could very well be a beast, but he will also be a long term project. If the title window is tied to Duncan, how long do we really have to work on a guy who might be a 3-4 year project?

    My analysis: Actually, I’ve borrowed this from another post I recently read. To paraphrase: “If Cousins goes to a team like Golden State or Sacramento, you can expect more immaturity and the inevitable under development of his talent. However, if he were to go to a championship/HOF atmosphere that surrounds Duncan and Pop, Cousins may mature and become a monster.” I’m not saying we should absolutely go after Cousins since I’m not particularly sure how long Favors might take to develop. However, DeMarcus would be an interesting piece to add to the Dejaun/Tiago young front line and would certainly jarr the Tim Duncan window open for a year or two longer.

  • Hobson13

    Jim Henderson
    June 18th, 2010 at 10:16 am
    “for the Spurs, the deal would depend on whether Favors is available at #3 – I might balk if it was Cousins.”

    First of all, you do make good points regarding Parker and Avery Johnson. Like you said, this trade may not be likely, but it is much more probable with Avery as head coach. As far as Cousins goes, I am particularly conflicted. On one hand, he didn’t interview that great. He has also been know to be socially immature and have attitude problems. With those issues also come the fact that he is not an explosive leaper and will therefore probably never be a great shot blocker. I suppose the real question is whether he has real attitude issues or simply issues that arise due to being a 19 yrs old idiot??

    On the other hand, he is easily the most NBA ready big in the entire draft. One can’t teach size and Cousins has this in spades. On top of this, he is a very skilled ballplayer for his size. In a recent workout with the Kings he made 78% of his 200 shots. He could play for most teams in the NBA and make an immediate impact. Favors could very well be a beast, but he will also be a long term project. If the title window is tied to Duncan, how long do we really have to work on a guy who might be a 3-4 year project?

    My analysis: Actually, I’ve borrowed this from another post I recently read. To paraphrase: “If Cousins goes to a team like Golden State or Sacramento, you can expect more immaturity and the inevitable under development of his talent. However, if he were to go to a championship/HOF atmosphere that surrounds Duncan and Pop, Cousins may mature and become a monster.” I’m not saying we should absolutely go after Cousins since I’m not particularly sure how long Favors might take to develop. However, DeMarcus would be an interesting piece to add to the Dejaun/Tiago young front line and would certainly jarr the Tim Duncan window open for a year or two longer.

  • Hobson13

    Sorry for the double post, gang. My computer sucks.

  • Bduran

    Jim,

    I agree with a lot of what you said, although I think you over value being an all star. To mist spurs fans ( and most stats) it’s pretty clear Manu is the superior player, yet I believe he’s only been an all star once.

    That being said, TP has proven his value in many other ways so your point remains.

    Additionally, I don’t entirely agree with you cousins vs favors take. I don’t think favors is good enough to trade all the way up for. Cousins, to my mind, is the better prospect. However, his character issues may make him to big a risk. This is why I’d rather trade for another mid range pick. This is a deep draft with not enough guarantee at the top.

  • Jim Henderson

    Hobson13
    June 18th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Yeah, I know Cousins is a talented dude, and may be more NBA ready than Favors. My problem with Cousins is that he’s even a bit more of a “risk”, in my view, than Favors at becoming something consistently special in the NBA. I just don’t like the added risk that he presents. I think Favors is a more solid guy (yet not convinced he’s worth the risk either, but because I like Harris as well, I’m open to the deal) and I don’t mind him taking a little longer to to translate, because we’re going to need for someone with athleticism & height to take over for Timmy by defending the rim & scoring in the low post in the next 2-3 years. I just want the best chance of picking the “right” guy over the long term if I’m going to give up Parker. We need to be smart right now, and not let our concern with the “TD closing window” cloud our judgment about what’s best for the long-term health of the franchise. If it was ONLY short-term that we’re worried about than we probably would have a harder time trading Parker for something that made sense (e.g., a star big man). The good thing about the Net trade is that we would be getting a pretty talented, and younger, point guard in return. And that tempers the risk of trading for the draft pick.

    “If Cousins goes to a team like Golden State or Sacramento, you can expect more immaturity and the inevitable under development of his talent. However, if he were to go to a championship/HOF atmosphere that surrounds Duncan and Pop, Cousins may mature and become a monster.”

    I don’t really buy it. For one thing, “maturity” is not the only issue. It’s not like all draft under-performers of the past have resulted from “maturity” issues. The fact is, ANY draft pick (including Favors) is a considerable risk (especially sans getting the #1 pick), regardless of the team that drafts him. Playing in the Spurs system might reduce the risk by some small amount, but nothing significant enough to alter my basic view on this issue.

  • DieHardSpur

    Bduran – I disagree.

    I think you are basing your assesment of TP on this years production – which was not bad. When healthy – he is a top 5 pointguard in the league. Without a point guard that can penetrate and score at the rim as efficiently as he – our system falls apart. I would also like to point out that he is a very efficient scorer from anywhere inside the arc.

    Write this part down – when healthy – TP IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST finisher at the rim in the league!
    I do agree that Manu is the more versitile player, Tony brings lightning fast speed and the ability to make a lay-up on anyone, period.

    Just something to chew on…

  • td4life

    Honestly, I don’t see the Russian owner giving up his #2 for Tony Parker. Avery makes it feasible that they would want TP, but then again AJ went to the finals with Harris. Why would you trade 2 young guys, and a potential franchise twin-tower effect for an aging TP? They’d have to get more back than that. Prohorov has already stated that he’s not gonna overspend on any thing less than an All-World Great and jeopardize smartly building a great team… but if he wanted to, he doesn’t need TP to “lure” a Boozer or Amare. He can sign one of those guys w/o TP. TP isn’t a strong enough magnent to lure LBJ, and so they would end up hurting their potential (the #2) by trading for TP, when Harris is a younger diverse scorer who, by the way, is pretty friggin’ good…. you guys can forget about the #2 pick. You can also forget about the #3. Minnesota might bite if they didn’t have flynn and rubio, oh well. Indiana might be in the running for Greg Monroe or Ed Davis, but you have to give up Tony to get back Troy Murphy. This is actually do-able unlike the NJ scenario, and might be worth it if you lose out on Tiago, but I don’t see us beating LA any time soon with a young big from the #10 pick, and doubt Murphy is the answer.

    I agree that the Spurs need to sign Splitter, and that it’s not enough. I don’t know if they could package him for a game-changer, but as I see it adding him is the best realistic upgrade we can make inside. And of course we need other upgrades as well…
    Boston got hurt on the boards in game 7, but Wallace and KG played better early on than I’d expect a Spurs forntline to perform next year or any year really, even with Tiago. But even the Celtics length wasn’t enough, because guys like Rasheed don’t manage to keep it up down the stretch, this is a confidence thing. And Timmy and co, are susceptible to the same defeatist anxiety, this is one area where Bryant really is the best, he relishes the final stretch, especially close games. (Artest also is pretty strong mentally in that respect, he doesn’t quit on himself. Fisher, too.) Which is contagious for Pau and Odom. I don’t know if Splitter will give us all that, but I don’t see us doing better since a Cousins or Favors is out of reach (and wouldn’t payoff for 3 years at least.)

    But Boston also needed Ray to hit his shots! In addition to talented, physical bigs, we need more scoring . Tony and Manu, Tim and Tiago aren’t enough. Unless DB and Hill become bonafide stars, an RJ trade is vital!

    Finally, there’s almost no way we get Paul George. Nevermind that any pick is an uncertain value. I was the first guy on here to campaign for Paul George, but he’ll go early and if we trade Tony for him, it’s a HUGE gamble! Do we trade Hill for him? That’s also a big, big risk. If we can add Splitter, Turiaf, and Maggette we can afford to draft an Elliot Williams or even no first rounder at all. If we can’t add the equivalent of such players, we might as well blow it up and start rebuilding with unproven rookies, because we have no real shot. The lakers are gonna be favorites in the west for a long time yet. Unfortunately. Although, Portland has a chance if they are bold, and OKC has a chance if they lure the right FA. SA’s only hope in the near term is ADDING serious length and talent inside, and formidable gamers outside., short of that, go ahead and try to blow it up for Paul George or whoever else you like, and get used to first round exits for awhile. But I think we won’t start trading assets like Tony or Hill until next year at the earliest, mainly because we will get Splitter, and won’t be able to get 2 needed pieces back for TP. Again, if we don’t get Splitter, or can’t trade RJ, all bets are off. If we can do both, and I think we can, then we are a much better team next year.

  • Tyler

    @ DieHardSpur

    I would say TP is the best below the rim finisher in the league. I think it’s safe to say Lebron is probably the best overall finisher at the rim in the league; the combination of size, speed, strength, athleticism, etc……yikes….

  • DieHardSpur

    Good call Tyler. I think you got my drift though…

  • Jim Henderson

    Bduran
    June 18th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    “I agree with a lot of what you said, although I think you over value being an all star.”

    Why do you think I over-value being an all-star? It was not in any way central to the point I was making.

    “Additionally, I don’t entirely agree with you cousins vs favors take. I don’t think favors is good enough to trade all the way up for. Cousins, to my mind, is the better prospect. However, his character issues may make him to big a risk.”

    Now, don’t misinterpret me. I’m generally not inclined to move a guy like Parker to trade up in the draft, and I certainly don’t view Favors or Cousins as a certain future star (and the point of choosing Favors over Cousins was indeed because of the added risk Cousins presents – not about the always nebulous determination of “potential”). I was mainly open to the deal proposed by Hobson because I think Harris is one of the most talented PG’s we could get back in a 2 for one swap for Parker (plus he’s younger and still might have a bit of upside left in his game in the right system). And even with that, I’d have to be sure that Harris was the right fit for the organization before I would consider such a deal. So, the draft pick, though important, is NOT the only clincher in that deal. It’s how Harris would fit in the rotation with Manu & Hill. Could he in fact substantially mitigate against the loss of Parker? That’s the question that the FO would have to consider very carefully before pulling the trigger on such a deal. Because as we know, the draft pick MAY not end up helping us that much. We simply do not know with any certainty at present.

  • rj

    i guess everyone has given up on mahinmi.

    we need length and athleticism at the post position to compete with the lakers.

    i would agree that splitter, mahinmi, and blair has the weakness of inexperience, but they body up better with the lakers better than if we keep dyess and bonner with splitter, blair, and duncan.

    trading splitter’s rights is also a poor desicion. he is the best availible big we can get our hands on and might be one of the best if he was in this draft class.

    mahinmi is tall, athletic, full of potential , and most importantly, cheap.

    if ian could play 4 and tiago at the 5, that is a could future front court with blair coming off the bench.

    just creating some good argument material for jim and everyone else

  • Jim Henderson

    td4life
    June 18th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    “Honestly, I don’t see the Russian owner giving up his #2 for Tony Parker.”

    Actually, the Nets have the #3 pick.

    “Why would you trade 2 young guys, and a potential franchise twin-tower effect for an aging TP? They’d have to get more back than that.”

    I’m skeptical as well, that’s why I made this statement from a previous comment on this thread:

    “That is a deal I would strongly consider, but I doubt the Nets would, unless they felt strongly that they could also sign someone like Amare, Boozer, or David Lee once free agency kicked in. Possible, but probably not that likely, and if they can’t land a big free agent, how well does Parker fit in with a team in building mode?”

    On the other hand, I think you might be underestimating the value of TP. After all, he’s a three-time all-star, if healthy – still in his prime, and a NBA Finals MVP. That’s a guy you want if you plan to challenge in the next 3-4 years. And don’t forget the personal dynamics. Avery & TP are a better match, from the same system & mentality. Harris reportedly had some issues with an inexperienced coach AJ in his approach, an issue that could still linger. Bottom-line is this: the deal is still not likely, for a variety of reasons, but nevertheless, it is within reason to carefully evaluate as a legitimate possibility.

    Otherwise, I agree. I would prefer to do the Warrior deal that we discussed previously. That’s the safest & quickest way to plug multiple holes as long as GS is interested in salary-dumping this off-season.

  • Jim Henderson

    rj
    June 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    “if ian could play 4 and tiago at the 5, that is a could future front court with blair coming off the bench.”

    I know you like Ian, but it is very unlikely that he becomes a better player than Blair. I know he has the height advantage, but Blair has incredible instincts for the game that will become more and more apparent over the next few years. In fact, he has a very good shot at becoming Boozer-like in the next 3 years. If Ian could become a solid role player on the front line that would be great, but right now that’s in limbo with an unsigned contract.

  • td4life

    ERRORS in the my 1st paragraph above: I mistakenly referred several times to NJ’s pick as the #2, and Philly’s as the #3… sorry about that, but you know what I meant.

  • td4life

    @Jim Henderson

    I don’t think I am undervaluing TP in relation to NJ’s window which is longer than TP’s (and stronger if the #3 delivers) or in TP’s ability (versus the #3 AND Devin Harris (the fact that we would welcome Harris is the same reason they aren’t really gonna part with him AND the #3 for TP… Harris is actually a somewhat similar talent when compared to TP)) to attract a Free Agent, nevermind that these moves are counter to what Prohorov has stated as his plan. Seriously, since it’s such a totally unlikely long shot, we can forget about the #3.

    I agree with Bduran’s notion that it’s better to trade for a mid-range pick. (AND FAR MORE REALISTIC.) This is what I addressed regarding Indiana, which is still risky as we’d then need to acquire a PG…. as Boston lacked clutch scoring down the stretch, we need Ballers in addition to athletic size, so if you are talking TP for the #10 (or other mid-range pick), you are probably counting us out of contention in the short-term in favor of success down the road when that pick pans out.

    @RJ
    yes, we have given up on Ian. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it true that we didn’t extend his contract, which was the cheapest way to keep him a spur, and therefor the only way we would have kept him. Aside from that, he clearly isn’t loved by Pop and Co. I longed for his potential too, but it ain’t happening. All our hopes and dreams for Ian as big-time Spurs presence were but a fantasy of what never will be. Forget about him.

  • Jim Henderson

    td4life
    June 18th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    “Seriously, since it’s such a totally unlikely long shot, we can forget about the #3.”

    Well, in my view you over-value the #3 (the odds of them ever being a one-time or better all-star is rather slim), and don’t give enough credit to TP’s championship pedigree (in comparison to Harris). In addition, the relationship to a relatively inexperienced and hard-driving coach (Johnson) and his point guard is critical to a team’s chances to build a competitive squad on the quick side of things. TP has the clear edge there, and no GM wants to take forever to be competitive as well.

    “I agree with Bduran’s notion that it’s better to trade for a mid-range pick. (AND FAR MORE REALISTIC.)”

    Well, neither you nor bduran mentioned WHO you would want to trade for a mid-range pick. And again, I’m not much in favor of trading up to the top 3 or 5, but what I am saying is that Hobson’s proposal was at least interesting to take a look at as an outside possibility, and was within the realm of a legitimate trade-up consideration. And after all, NONE of the deals we suggest on here are particularly “realistic”, let alone slam dunks for both sides.

    “……so if you are talking TP for the #10….”

    Well, there’s no way I’m trading TP for the number 10 straight up, and I know bduran would not be in favor of that either. Perhaps you meant to reference Murphy in the deal, but as you mentioned, without an adequate and experienced PG coming back, the deal is problematic, short or long term.