The Spurs Might Be Broke

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In today’s Daily Dime, John Hollinger picks up on a few themes that are popular to 48MoH this season. We’ve recently written that this year’s Spurs team is Tim Duncan and too little of everyone else. Hollinger agrees:

…Tim Duncan is playing unbelievably well. On Tuesday, he had 34 points, his most since scoring 40 in a double-overtime thriller against this same Suns team in Game 1 of the 2008 playoffs. It was an efficient 34, too, as he shot a stellar 14-of-22 from the floor. Yet it still wasn’t nearly enough — the Spurs lost by double figures as his teammates shot only 40.6 percent from the floor.

And then Hollinger picks on Richard Jefferson:

…Jefferson was awful. He dunked on a sweet baseline drive on the Spurs’ second trip and then disappeared the rest of the night, to the point that the Spurs kept him on the bench for the final 6:05 and used Roger Mason in his place.

Oh, and much like Spurs fans everywhere, the good professor wonders about San Antonio’s defense:

I can’t remember seeing a Duncan-era defense lit up the way it was in the second quarter Tuesday. Phoenix scored 39 points, en route to getting 67 for the half, and built the lead up to 20 points early in the third quarter before the Spurs mounted a too-little, too-late comeback. This was doubly notable because it came against the Suns — a club the Spurs normally defend as well as any team in the league.

These three themes have found steady play at 48MoH since the first week of the season. The question before the team is not simply “How to clean up this mess?” No, that’s a follow up question. The primary question before the team is “What kind of mess is this?” The answer isn’t obvious.

This current Spurs team has played together for all of 22 games. “Give them time,” that’s what the Spurs faithful likes to say. But I’m not convinced that’s the kind of sober-minded reflection needed to right this ship. Gregg Popovich issued a “no more excuses” mandate earlier this week, saying “we’ve taken enough time.”Still, the fan-boy knee-jerk amongst the Spurs crowd is a plea for patience.

The “give it time line” is starting to sound a little too much like the life-long smoker who is to happy to tell you about his Uncle Tom-the uncle who lived to 95 and smoked a pack a day. Such anecdotes are rehearsed with dismissive glee right up to the moment your friend, the smoker, is diagnosed with lung cancer. After last night’s game, Manu Ginobili said, “I’m not sure if it’s just chemistry. We’re not playing well.” Manu Ginobili doesn’t want to tell you about his lucky uncle; Manu Ginobili wants to quit smoking.

The Spurs’ front office is in a tough spot: they have until February to figure out if this roster possesses the right mix of players to legitimately compete for a championship. Given San Antonio’s difficulty beating quality opponents, it’s a fair question to ask. Is this simply a will-fix-itself-in-time chemistry issue, or are there bigger problems at play?

Here’s the issue, put differently: if the Spurs shake up the roster between now and February, they’ll prolong the new-faces learning curve and introduce even more discontinuity to a team already facing at least some chemistry issues.  A major shake-up would seem to compound any of those problems. But, of course, this current Spurs team is on a short clock. Patience must be held in balance against the reality of imminent decline.

If Ginobili’s suspicion is correct-that there is something more than a chemistry issue at play-the Spurs will have no choice but to examine more radical measures, especially in light of their short championship window, a rapidly aging core, and a pregnant-with-tax payroll.

Having said that, the Spurs are not far from legitimate contention. The Spurs are playing poorly relative to expectation, but John Hollinger’s magic calculator still ranks them as the 6th best team in the league. They’re ranked ahead of every Western Conference team, save the Lakers. Yes, the Spurs are underachieving. Their kind of underachievement is enough to give them even odds to make it to the Western Conference Finals.

But everybody knows the Spurs don’t fix their eyes on finishing second in the conference, and life in San Antonio is fairly meaningless if it’s not lived in the winner’s circle. You don’t go neck deep into tax to finish a notch below. So either the Spurs need to dramatically improve their play, or the team’s button pushers will have to make a sharp, decisive move to correct the problem. It’s probably never been true before, but it is now. The Spurs’ future is on the line, at least the Spurs as we’ve known them for the last decade.

  • JT

    I just wanted to add that yes I do agree that Timmy is second to Kobe and Timmy is playing amazing this year, he looks fresh and young,, those were some sweet blocks last night.

    Did you guys also hear the announcer say that Timmy said he may play until he is 40, man would that be a treat…

  • Ryan

    ugh, for the first time I have to admit the Spurs are a boring. Not due to their style of play, but because we’re exactly the 10th best team in the league (or so). We ALWAYS win when we’re clearly supposed to (clippers, warriors, etc.). We NEVER do against the better teams.

  • ananuri

    @JT
    How is Kobe’s achievements in the past decade better than Duncan’s, and what his shooting this year so far has to do with the past decade? As per statistics, Dunkan is better player even now, Kobe’s team is just playing better so far. Duncan carried Spurs to 4 championships (to 3 in past decade), Kobe to one only (funny how everybody forgets what a monster Shaq was, and how Kobe missed playoffs once and got eliminated from the first round twice, before Lakers got Gasol).

    Also, if I’m remembering correctly, Duncan is statistically better clutch player than Kobe. For some reason, everybody remembers the shots Kobe made, but nobody remembers that he missed a lot more in the clutch.

    Kobe is the great player. However, I’d say that his play and achievements make him third best player (behind Duncan and Shaq) for the past decade.

    On different note, this is a great post, Tim - I’m glad you and Graydon are writing for Spurs. Still think that major problem is Parker’s play so far - if he reverts to last season’s form, we will be championship contenders. Not sure if and when it happens though…

  • ananuri

    Sorry, misspelled Duncan once…

  • lvmainman

    Thatbigguy,
    I attribute 6 turnovers to Parker because according to statisticians if someone (Duncan) throws a perfect pass that hits someone (Parker) in the hands and goes out of bounds, the turnover gets credited to the person who passed it(Duncan). Why? Because the pass was never caught by the receiver(Parker), therefore having never possessed the ball(even though he was ready, looked it into his hands and still dropped it out of bounds), the receiver(Parker) is prohibited by rule of statisticians from being assessed a turnover.
    But, in my mind that turnover should be a judgement call and charged to Parker. That is why I say he had 6 Turnovers.

  • Jesse Blanchard

    Re: Duncan vs. Kobe
    This end of the decade stuff makes for fun conversation and maybe could get its own post as we get near New Year’s Eve.

    For my brief take: Kobe Bryant is the most skilled player of the decade. Shaq the most dominant. Tim Duncan is the best balance of both worlds.

    If you want to be as respectful and diplomatic as possible you could say that Duncan and Bryant are practically equals. But like they say, with all things equal, go with size. Dominant big men will always have bigger impacts on the entire game.

    I’d also like to point out that Duncan has gotten “it” longer. The secret to basketball if you’ve read Bill Simmons book. He’s been the leader his entire career that Bryant has only now grasped.

    Duncan is easily the player of the decade and the best post-Jordan player the league has seen (though Lebron’s prime will probably change that).

  • hobson13

    This has been a good thread so far with some very interesting insights. I understand everyones frustration with Jefferson, I myself have wondered about him on several occasions. However, I believe the hate getting thrown his way is misplaced. He’s been with the team for 23 games and yet he is still shooting a respectable 46% from the field in spite of those who say he’s only a “volume shooter”. When Jefferson scores 15+ ppg, the Spurs are 8-2. There have been 12 games this season where Jefferson has taken less than 10 shots. The Spurs are 6-6 in those games. Bottom line: When Jefferson is involved, the Spurs are tough. When Jefferson’s shots are given to guys like Mason, Hill, etc. the Spurs aren’t that good.

    So far this season Tim has played out of his mind. The play of Duncan has been an early Christmas present for me. What ever he’s drinking/smoking he needs to share because he looks like he turned back the clock.

    Tony is perplexing to me. He seems to be missing that midrange jumper he was nailing last year and I’ve also seen him miss layups that he usually makes. Everyone’s general consensus is that he’s playing very poorly, yet in spite of this, his fg% is virtually the same as it was last year. He’s turning the ball over a ton, but we all know why that’s happening. Bottom line: I expect Tony to be ok once he adjusts to new teammates and gets his groove back.

    Manu: I love him, but in my opinion, this is where our problems get deep. Manu has been with the Spurs 7 yrs and understands the system averages 13.3 ppg while shooting just under 40% from the field. Jefferson has been around for 23 games and is still adjusting averages 13.4 ppg on 46% shooting. In addition, Manu has already missed 6 games this year (Spurs went 5-1 during that stretch). I have seen only 1 game so far this year that would indicate he could return to form and two other games where he was pretty decent. His game log this year tells the entire story: When he shoots the 3-ball well, he scores, when he doesn’t shoot it well, he disappears. He has missed 6 games, but is second on the team in three point fg attempts. His game is now predicated off the three point shot. He rarely drives or gets to the free throw line. Bottom line: Manu is an expiring contract that has value in this economy. Package him with someone else (Mason or McDyess) and get a PF or C who can help Duncan.

    I really want to see Manu get his groove back, but see no evidence of this happening based on the 23 games we’ve played so far. The rest of the team just needs a little more time.

  • http://www.dawnoftheweak.com The Wes

    I honestly feel like there’s 2 major issues:

    1. Chemistry.
    I know, duh. We got new guys running a new system and vets trying to get everything sync’d up, nothing new here.

    2. Pop giving the playcalling over to TP.
    While a bold and gutsy move, I feel like we need to get out of this run-run-run philosophy, and get back to our “slow it down” halfcourt game. We’ve always been able to run with teams when we needed, but I think that was always born out of the cohesion that was bred from running a solid offense. Right now it seems that when we get into this uptempo rhythm is when we make all the boneheaded mistakes, but our 3rd quarter heroics in Phoenix came from our grind-it-out style, which allows us a far better defensive transition.

    So, I think #1 will be solved by fixing #2.

  • alamobro

    Hobson…about Manu, I see where you coming from ( not really )

    If Manu is playing like this in February, THEN I will be worried. Manu is out of shape and hasnt been playing alot of basketball. Factor in his shaken confidence, and the results are a tentative Manu who is attempting to score from the perimeter rather than paint.

    Lets hope Manus tentative play is an attempt to conserve his body for later in the season. I dont think this is far fetched.

    Besides, I doubt the Spurs FO would even think of Trading an icon like Manu.

  • bigtee34

    Im glad to see the kaveh curse is working again.
    wish he would show up before every game and talk about how bad rj is. RJ is playing better than manu and I don’t see anyone yelling to trade him. I think we should shut up and let them play Pop is a pretty smart guy. They had a chance to get Vince carter last year before the trade deadline but didn’t pull the trigger, because RJ was who they wanted.

  • wannabe_fan

    Some of you guys really crack me up! Let’s see…BRING BACK Bruce…TRADE Tony…TRADE MANU…can’t trade RJ, so BENCH HIM.

    Can’t wait for the “FIRE Pop” chorus to start.

    All of you fair-weather “fans” should be sentenced to watch film of the “Cotton-Ball” era and the “McHone” days.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m as confounded as you guys on the team’s start. I’m still pretty confident that we’ll go pretty deep in the playoffs. No finals predictions, though. It’s obvious to see that Pop doesn’t care what seed he ends up with. I tend to agree. Who cares (besides Holt) if we draw the Lakers or Nuggets in the 1st round? We’re going to have to face them anyway.

    I did see one good suggestion: Bring Bruce back…as an asst. defensive coach.

  • BigJ

    Quote from San X-Press Article “Still, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich remains bullish on the team’s offseason investments. He continues to urge patience with his newcomers as they adjust to their new team, and their new team adjusts to them.

    “What I’m learning is we lost more corporate knowledge than I thought,” said Popovich, whose team is 13-10 after a 2-1 Western road trip. “It’s taken a little bit more time than I thought to get everybody on the same page.”

    Calming words from the captain steering the ship.

    In Pop we trust.

  • Joe

    For tweaking around the edges, I’d love to see us make a move for a second shot-blocker that can play big minutes, specifically Ronny Turiaf.

    He’s available given GS’s willingness to blow everything up, has had an unreal blocks/48 rate since his heart issues, is still pretty young, and has a lot of experience practicing against the Lakers’ bigs from his time there a couple of years ago. Even if getting Turiaf cost us Blair, whom I love, I think it would give us a better balance of skills in our rotation of bigs right now (Bonner stretches opponents’ D and McDyess rebounds, but neither is a shot-blocker) and bring us closer to our goal of a championship this year.

  • alamobro

    Im gonna strike your suggestion to trade DeJuan for Ronny Turiaf from my memory banks. This thread has been here a long time , so maybe nobody else will see your comment.

    ( Dont worry, I wont tell anyone )

  • Joe

    Unless Blair has telekinetic powers that I’m not aware of, sitting him on the bench doesn’t seem to help much.

  • Justin

    So… I’m not one of those “oh my dios we’re doomed let’s just fire everyone” people. I’m just looking for what would be in the best interest of the team.

    What’s become obvious is that we officially need a pass-first point guard. Tony has never been that, and that doesn’t really play into his game. The fault is not on Tony; that’s just not his game. George Hill, while inexperienced, has shown flashes of brilliance this year and is ready to step up. He is also a more versatile defender than Tony, being able to shut down some key players on other teams.

    So, the Spurs need another weapon that will also provide defensive toughness. I present that man:

    Andre Iguodala.

    Now, I’m not saying this trade would ever go down (it most definitely wouldn’t). I’m just wondering how other people would react.

    I think we can all agree that Iguodala is a beast. His long arms and quickness puts him at 4th in the NBA at just over 2 steals a game. Throw in 20 points a game and 5.5 assists, and Andre is an amazing all-around player.

    Again, this trade would probably never happen and I’m sure there would have to be some other pieces involved, but if I was Holt/Popovich and the Sixers’s GM offered me this deal, I would take it.

    Thoughts?