Johnny Ludden: Tim Duncan and Spurs agree to three year deal

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Yahoo! Sports is on fire with the Spurs’ free agency news. Johnny Ludden, former Spurs beat writer at the Express-News, just reported that the Spurs and Tim Duncan have agreed to the framework of a three year deal. No specifics were offered as far as money or guarantees, but a three year deal sounds about right.

[Update: Ludden says it is likely to be in the range of the $34 million deal that Kevin Garnett got from the Celtics.]

Also buried in there is news that the Spurs have come to an agreement with Patty Mills and the Spurs are still looking to add Nando De Colo.

With Danny Green, Boris Diaw, and now Mills and Tim Duncan taken care of, free agency can really begin for the Spurs.

Or, we can hear nothing until training camp.

  • DorieStreet

    FO decided to get all the priority negotiations done in a 3-day span.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Andrew can we still use the MLE as well as trade for a big?

  • http://48minutesofhell.com Andrew A. McNeill

    Depends on how much of the MLE Boris Diaw’s new deal takes up.

  • http://twitter.com/rtking10 Richard King

    Hollinger pointed out that the Spurs would be under the tax, especially if they move Blair. If the Spurs do sign Patty Mills and Nando De Colo, I think we may see a package deal using Neal and Blair.

  • Titletown99030507d

    But isn’t that reserved for DeColo?

  • STIJL

    I think now we get to see IF upon taking care of our own if the Spurs have had any success drumming up any deals for non-Spur players.

    Would be interesting to know if/how talks with Kaman have transpired.

  • imwithstupid

    I love Neal because he fills our “Steve Kerr” role, but if we can package him with Blair/Bonner and get a big like Anthony Randolph or Kaman then I pull that trigger quick!

  • ’09Hammer

    if we can’t get Kaman, what about JaVale Mcgee, or Robin Lopez?

  • ThatBigGuy

    Chad Ford claims that Elton Brand and Darko Milicic are for sure amnesty cuts, and Dasagna Diop and Brendan Haywood are likely amnesty candidates along with Andray Blatche. That’s a crap-ton of beef. They all have warts, but as a 3rd or 4th big, you can do much worse, especially at the prices they’ll likely go for. I have them personally listed in this order:

    Blatche (youngest, bad stats can be improved with “encouragement” from Pop/Tim)
    Darko (second youngest, best D of this group, always seemed to kill us)
    Diop (only 30, decent D, Spur type professionalism)
    Brand (best scorer by far, oldest of group, slow and slightly undersized on D)
    Haywood (oldish @ 32, atrocious FT%, solid defender)

    However, I’d be happy with anyone of this guys because they’re all massive with decent defensive skills.
    Getting one really cheap on the amnesty auction block would make any one of these guys a great value for a 3rd or 4th big.

  • ThatBigGuy

    I think Green is more valuable to other teams than Neal. Not only is Green locked into a very fair deal for multiple years, he’s a better two way player than Neal. I think the Hornets would snap him up quicker than Neal, who duplicates Gordon and Rivers’ skill sets. Green could play alongside either guy and defend the better perimeter guard, and then knock down open 3′s off the drive. Neal would come off the bench for them, but play less total minutes because Gordon and Rivers will eat more minutes than Tony and Manu. Plus the combo of Neal and Mills off the bench would bring a lot of firepower to our second unit.

  • GoSpursGo

    Is there a reason to have Patty Mills and Gary Neal on the team at the same time? Of the two, I would rather have Neal. I hope the Mills signing isn’t precursor to a Neal trade

  • GoSpursGo

    I would be really ok with Darko. The guy was a joke as a number 2 overall pick, but is not bad as low cost free agent. A big rotation of Darko, Duncan, Blair, Bonner, and Diaw would be interesting, though I think trading Blair for a more traditionally sized big might be a good option.

    Would Kris Humphries be a fit?

  • STIJL

    With everybody now signed excluding Anderson and rookie pick Denmon and (Blair who is not guaranteed), the Spurs have 12 on the roster. Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Jackson, Leaonard, Splitter, Bonner, Joseph, Green, Neal, Mills and Diaw.

    My bet is one if not several are offered in a trade proposal.

  • grego

    Green can’t be moved for about 90 days, so he’s off the plate now.

    Neal, is valuable when packaged with other contracts like Blair and/or Bonner/Jackson. You get some guys who clean off the payroll and talent at a very cheap price in both Blair and (especially) Neal.

  • STIJL

    Thinking the same. Also…IF the Spurs should claim any experienced big men after amnesty Splitter just may be an enticing name to throw in to a package.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I’d rather have Mills he’s a better ball handler and quicker and can torch the three as well.

  • grego

    They might use the BAE on DeColo. I believe they have it still.

  • Titletown99030507d

    You meant Duncan , Splitter, Darko, and Diaw.

  • grego

    Darko played himself out of Minny as well though. That kind of worries me that he has some moments and then drops off. Can’t hurt for cheap though.

    Humprhries is lousy on D. I’ll pass. He’s also likely going to be in the Howard deal to NJ.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Not a smart move to get rid of a big body. we’re trying to get big bodies not get rid of them. Splitter isnt going anywhere.

  • GoSpursGo

    I think Neal is a proven clutch scorer. And has shown the ability to create his own shot.

  • GoSpursGo

    I have only seen Humphries play once or twice, but he averaged 1.2 BPG this year. I know BPG are not equivalent to good D, but it shows that he has some nose for defense. i wonder if, in a defensive minded system, he might not be decent. Better than Blair, at least.

  • STIJL

    I was thinking more in line of a possible trade that included Splitter and one of our many perimeter players that might get in return a big body.

  • ThatBigGuy

    I don’t think Darko played his way out of Minny so much as Minny overpaid him dramatically. Is he worth $5 million a year? No. But if we can get him on the waiver wire for $2 million/year? That’s a great value for a player who has proven adept at defending the paint. Put him on the Spurs roster, assuming he can grasp Pop’s defensive playbook, and I think he’d make an excellent Spur.

    As far as Humphries goes, he’s a good player, but he doesn’t fill our need for a BIG man. We have no problem scoring or rebounding against most teams, but we do have trouble defending the Gasol bros and Bynum. Humphries can’t do that.

  • ThatBigGuy

    I like Mills and Neal together on the second team. They wouldn’t be all world defenders, but can you imagine the points they could put up with Splitter setting screens, Matty B in the corner, and Manu being Manu?

    If I had to choose between the two, I’d take Mills. As good of a shooter (clutch, too) as Neal is, we need a solid back-up PG more than we need another 3 ball shooter.

    If it were my choice, I’d trade Green and keep Mills and Neal. I think Kawhi is going to get more minutes, and Green is the most likely victim, making him more expendable. Plus his solid play on both ends of the court would be worth more to potential trade partners, I’d think.

  • ThatBigGuy

    McGee will cost too much after the flashes of non-knucklehead he showed in Denver. Lopez is big, but Hollinger paints a sad picture when it comes to his defensive abilities: “Defensively, Lopez took a step back. His rebound rate was 50th among
    centers, down from the previous season, and opposing centers cruised to a
    19.3 PER against him. Synergy graded him near the bottom of the
    league’s center heap, and his on-court vs. off-court differential was
    slightly negative. Lopez blocks shots, but he lacks mobility and
    struggles in pick-and-roll defenses.”

    The Spurs need D, so I think they look elsewhere.

  • grego

    In the two playoff series when perimeter D got tough (Memphis, OKC), he didn’t do as much as he needed to, especially when Pop went with him over D when Spurs were struggling.

  • Bob

    The best way Neal can help the team is to come into camp in good shape so he’s quick enough to play good defense.

  • grego

    Odds of him being in shape to be that much better on defense? Very low. His footwork on defense isn’t that good to begin with though. It’s ok, as he’s improved it to pick up more charges, but I doubt he’d get to that basic level we hoped for.

  • grego

    OK, maybe, that’s a bad word, but he’s just not that good. Sure, 2M a year might work.

  • DorieStreet

    I could go with the first 3 on your list.

  • DorieStreet

    To be honest, 2010-11 was a lost year for him, and this past season, when Splitter got the time on the court consistently, his game showed through and he contributed.
    Having one (maybe two?) of Blatche/Darko/Diop to join up with Splitter and Diaw–some good rotations/combinations can he had so Tim can perhaps duplicate his rejuvenated play in 2012-13.

  • Titletown99030507d

    At this point with who we have left and what’s out there, reinforcing the front court as it stands like you mentioned is probably the route Pop and RC are going. Splitter and Diaw know the system. Really wanted someone else other than Diaw because he’s undersized but he’s resigned so onward with Timmy, Splitter, Diaw and 2 other bigs that are cheap is the likely route. Ok with that. Everybody has been down on Darko since his draft status and really didn’t take off like the experts predicted but he’s not a bad addition to say the least. Blatche as well.

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  • STIJL

    Is this either an all out commitment to playing small ball or stacking the deck with tradeable perimeter players for someone else (another big)?

  • DorieStreet

    The latter. Spurs trade machine is about to crank it up.

  • DorieStreet

    Darko basically was on the shelf nearly half of his NBA career. (Did he have any major injuries?) If his basketball skills have not detriorated due to atrophy, and he still has the desire and will to play, bring him on at vet’s minimum–would that be the case inf Darko is amnestied?

  • Bry

    It doesn’t have to be either one. They were hoping to bring in Lorbek, and they just resigned Boris (who is not ‘undersized by any stretch) and Duncan. Danny Green is also not undersized for his position. As of now the starters look to be Duncan at 6’11″, Diaw at 6’8″, Leonard at 6’7″, Greeen at 6’6″, and Parker at 6′ whatever. That’s not smallball. Jackson, Splitter, DeColo, and Manu coming off the bench are all at least average height for their positions. So, where’s the smallball? You can expect all nine of those guys (except for DeColo) to get at least 20mpg, and some of them more than 30mpg. In fact, if you have Splitter ever paired with Duncan, or the point being run by Ginobili or DeColo, you’d have a big line-up, rather than any smallball. When the Spurs traded Hill (6’2″ guard) for Leonard (now a starter, and he’s got a crazy wingspan), I think the issues with smallball became pretty unimportant. The only issue left is Neal, who can’t seem to guard anybody regardless of what position they are.

  • Titletown99030507d

    Looks like Green will be sharing a lot of Manu’s minutes by the looks of his resigning. Kawhi will be starting and getting the bulk of minutes at his spot.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I still wouldn’t do it unless it’s somebody better than Kaman and the turned over stones people are talking about.

  • Titletown99030507d

    I don’t think he’s had any serious injuries and is pretty much a young 27 in regards to basketball having not banged up his body for the time he’s been in the league. At worst he’s Rasho at best he’s a shot blocking machine that can defend the rim.

  • Titletown99030507d

    You mean to tell me Diaw is going block Bynum’s or Gasol’s shot? Yes he is undersized. Period. The fact that he’s here has a lot to do with Tony because Tony runs this team now.

  • SAJKinBigD

    My understanding of the Amnesty stuff is all those UNDER the cap can bid to get an amnestied player’s rights and highest bid wins.

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  • Bry

    Evidently for you, and everybody else who is obsessed with having twin towers in the front-court, ‘undersized’ is what you call anybody not able to effectively shot-blot the biggest and most talented post-tandem in the NBA. That’s a ridiculous standard. By that standard, every single starting power forward in the league, apart from maybe OKC, is ‘undersized’. I’m gauging Diaw vs. the average starting PF in the NBA, and he measures up easily. You’re gauging him against 7-foot All-Star power forwards (of which there is a grand total of two) and your somewhat irrational obsession with 7-footers. Even if I thought your standard was necessary for a good front-court, it’s a pipe-dream. You’re not ever going to find skilled OVERsized forwards on the cheap. Just look at the money they’re throwing at Griffen, Hibbert, Gasol, etc. ‘Undersized’ for you really just seems to mean ‘not my 7-foot fantasy that the Spurs couldn’t possibly afford anyway’.

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  • Titletown99030507d

    They got a nice thrashing by the Spanish front court and they are big. Guess what? That’s what you’ll see in the playoffs bigger and better bigs. Sorry but Diaw will just just get used again like Blair has for the last 3 years. Can’t sugar coat his undersized limitations. Blair 2.0

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  • STIJL

    This is true.

  • STIJL

    Duncan Is Not the PF he used to be. His “tenor” in this league showed as much. Yet he still was the best “big man” the team had in the playoffs. That’s not saying much when every other big man on this team cannot defend the post “athletically”.

    Every body else on the team is “average” height when it comes to the lengthy, athletic members of the nba these days.

    Spurs will be small ball with this current line up…that will be the facts. However, it does not mean they won’t be any good which is what I didn’t say. They will be quick in the perimeter. They will be lethal from the perimeter. But… They won’t with this current roster be athletic in the post.